Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal. Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards? Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated. dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal. Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards? Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated. dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Dawn, I am sorry to hear about your nightly attack. I had gallbaldder stones and what I did was go to emergency. 1. They gave me some medication to sleep through the night. 2. they made my appointment for the ultrasound with in a matter of days. 3. I had my gallbladder out about 6 weeks later. I hope that this might help. As for question #2 I do not know but maybe someone else can answer that for you. Take Care, Maridiana skynsun2003 wrote: OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal.Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated.dawn~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going! Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Dawn, I am sorry to hear about your nightly attack. I had gallbaldder stones and what I did was go to emergency. 1. They gave me some medication to sleep through the night. 2. they made my appointment for the ultrasound with in a matter of days. 3. I had my gallbladder out about 6 weeks later. I hope that this might help. As for question #2 I do not know but maybe someone else can answer that for you. Take Care, Maridiana skynsun2003 wrote: OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal.Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated.dawn~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going! Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Dawn, I would suggest that you go to the ER next time you are in a GB attack. Maybe they will do the us then and there. If not, surely they can get you in for it sooner, even if you have to go to another facility. I have no answers for you on #2. Good luck, Laurie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Dawn, I would suggest that you go to the ER next time you are in a GB attack. Maybe they will do the us then and there. If not, surely they can get you in for it sooner, even if you have to go to another facility. I have no answers for you on #2. Good luck, Laurie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi there. I had a friend who went to Spain for the duodenal switch and she has kaiser here. Kaiser provided all of her after care when she returned, so yes they do provide after care. Good luck with the gallbladder issues. hope you feel better. stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi there. I had a friend who went to Spain for the duodenal switch and she has kaiser here. Kaiser provided all of her after care when she returned, so yes they do provide after care. Good luck with the gallbladder issues. hope you feel better. stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dawn My mother 2 years ago was having severe Gallbladder attacks and it took us lots of visit to PCP and it became ridiculous, so then the pain was bad and we just took her to emergency room. They admitted her and good thing her, she had gangrene in her gallbladder and she could of died from it. She was in the hospital 5 days, but is fine now. So getting around things might take a trip to the emergency room. Hope this helps. Take care. Donnaskynsun2003 wrote: OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal.Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated.dawnDonna JordonDSJordon@... Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dawn My mother 2 years ago was having severe Gallbladder attacks and it took us lots of visit to PCP and it became ridiculous, so then the pain was bad and we just took her to emergency room. They admitted her and good thing her, she had gangrene in her gallbladder and she could of died from it. She was in the hospital 5 days, but is fine now. So getting around things might take a trip to the emergency room. Hope this helps. Take care. Donnaskynsun2003 wrote: OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic sonorgram is unreal.Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much appreciated.dawnDonna JordonDSJordon@... Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Next time you're having an attack, make an Urgent Care appointment. It is totally bogus for you to have to wait that long! They do have the ultrasound equipment floating around the urgent care clinics, since this is not an infrequent problem. I wouldn't even CONSIDER going outside Kaiser to have your gall bladder yanked if it needs it. If your ultrasound shows stones, you qualify to have Kaiser do it, and pay for it. If your ultra sound does not show stones, request that they repeat the scan with you standing up. On other groups I'm on, there are a couple of people whose stones hid until they stood up. If the scan still doesn't show anything, you can request (demand) something called a HIDA scan, which I believe will show " sludge " in the gall bladder. Waiting with a gall bladder that is giving you trouble now can cause more trouble later. Don't wait. If you need to, get bitchy. If you need lessons, I can give you tutoring on that! If you still don't get satisfaction, you can take the case to Patient Services. They are the equivalent of the Pope, or at least a Cardinal, in Kaiser. Often just firmly restating your request with whoever is being obstructionist, with an ending " I don't want to have to contact Patient Services, but... " is enough to, er, encourage a more helpful attitude. At 07:15 02/13/2006, you wrote: >OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For >the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder >attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on >Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She >went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment >is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such >time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full >blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent >severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic >sonorgram is unreal. >Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser >so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without >taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will >Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards? >Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much >appreciated. >dawn > Eleanor Oster eleanor@... (personal address) www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm San , CA Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA) ~5'9 " tall 05/09/2003 319 Orientation 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery Current 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Next time you're having an attack, make an Urgent Care appointment. It is totally bogus for you to have to wait that long! They do have the ultrasound equipment floating around the urgent care clinics, since this is not an infrequent problem. I wouldn't even CONSIDER going outside Kaiser to have your gall bladder yanked if it needs it. If your ultrasound shows stones, you qualify to have Kaiser do it, and pay for it. If your ultra sound does not show stones, request that they repeat the scan with you standing up. On other groups I'm on, there are a couple of people whose stones hid until they stood up. If the scan still doesn't show anything, you can request (demand) something called a HIDA scan, which I believe will show " sludge " in the gall bladder. Waiting with a gall bladder that is giving you trouble now can cause more trouble later. Don't wait. If you need to, get bitchy. If you need lessons, I can give you tutoring on that! If you still don't get satisfaction, you can take the case to Patient Services. They are the equivalent of the Pope, or at least a Cardinal, in Kaiser. Often just firmly restating your request with whoever is being obstructionist, with an ending " I don't want to have to contact Patient Services, but... " is enough to, er, encourage a more helpful attitude. At 07:15 02/13/2006, you wrote: >OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For >the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder >attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on >Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She >went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment >is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such >time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full >blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent >severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic >sonorgram is unreal. >Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser >so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without >taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will >Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards? >Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much >appreciated. >dawn > Eleanor Oster eleanor@... (personal address) www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm San , CA Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA) ~5'9 " tall 05/09/2003 319 Orientation 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery Current 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 E!! Nice to see you posting here again! I see you were hanging out with the girl gang again...Now you stay out of trouble. LOL Laurie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 E!! Nice to see you posting here again! I see you were hanging out with the girl gang again...Now you stay out of trouble. LOL Laurie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Thanks you guys, for all the advice regarding the gall bladder issue. We relocated out here last year, from the other side of the country, and dealing with the ins and outs of an HMO is all new to us. Back home..if you need something your Primary Care Physician orders it and it happens in a relatively short time frame. Your PCP is effectively God and if he/she says I want this done ASAP...that's how it tends to happen. Eleanor, I may need those "bitch" lessons lol...I don't tend to be overly assertive nor does my husband and in the past year and a half with Kaiser...let's see...ok never mind lol I was about to bore the entire list with a run down of our gripes with Kaiser in the past 2 years...I like you guys so I will try and spare you that Anyway...thank you to all of you for the good suggestions and helping steer us in the right direction. Dawn -----Original Message-----From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ]On Behalf Of Eleanor OsterSent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:09 AMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Re: Gall Bladder Issue/wlsNext time you're having an attack, make an Urgent Care appointment. It is totally bogus for you to have to wait that long! They do have the ultrasound equipment floating around the urgent care clinics, since this is not an infrequent problem.I wouldn't even CONSIDER going outside Kaiser to have your gall bladder yanked if it needs it. If your ultrasound shows stones, you qualify to have Kaiser do it, and pay for it. If your ultra sound does not show stones, request that they repeat the scan with you standing up. On other groups I'm on, there are a couple of people whose stones hid until they stood up. If the scan still doesn't show anything, you can request (demand) something called a HIDA scan, which I believe will show "sludge" in the gall bladder.Waiting with a gall bladder that is giving you trouble now can cause more trouble later. Don't wait. If you need to, get bitchy. If you need lessons, I can give you tutoring on that! If you still don't get satisfaction, you can take the case to Patient Services. They are the equivalent of the Pope, or at least a Cardinal, in Kaiser. Often just firmly restating your request with whoever is being obstructionist, with an ending "I don't want to have to contact Patient Services, but..." is enough to, er, encourage a more helpful attitude.At 07:15 02/13/2006, you wrote:>OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For>the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder>attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on>Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She>went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment>is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such>time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full>blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent>severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic>sonorgram is unreal.>Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser>so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without>taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will>Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?>Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much>appreciated.>dawn>Eleanor Ostereleanor@... (personal address)www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htmSan , CAOpen RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)~5'9" tall05/09/2003 319 Orientation07/15/2003 ~290 SurgeryCurrent 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Thanks you guys, for all the advice regarding the gall bladder issue. We relocated out here last year, from the other side of the country, and dealing with the ins and outs of an HMO is all new to us. Back home..if you need something your Primary Care Physician orders it and it happens in a relatively short time frame. Your PCP is effectively God and if he/she says I want this done ASAP...that's how it tends to happen. Eleanor, I may need those "bitch" lessons lol...I don't tend to be overly assertive nor does my husband and in the past year and a half with Kaiser...let's see...ok never mind lol I was about to bore the entire list with a run down of our gripes with Kaiser in the past 2 years...I like you guys so I will try and spare you that Anyway...thank you to all of you for the good suggestions and helping steer us in the right direction. Dawn -----Original Message-----From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ]On Behalf Of Eleanor OsterSent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:09 AMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Re: Gall Bladder Issue/wlsNext time you're having an attack, make an Urgent Care appointment. It is totally bogus for you to have to wait that long! They do have the ultrasound equipment floating around the urgent care clinics, since this is not an infrequent problem.I wouldn't even CONSIDER going outside Kaiser to have your gall bladder yanked if it needs it. If your ultrasound shows stones, you qualify to have Kaiser do it, and pay for it. If your ultra sound does not show stones, request that they repeat the scan with you standing up. On other groups I'm on, there are a couple of people whose stones hid until they stood up. If the scan still doesn't show anything, you can request (demand) something called a HIDA scan, which I believe will show "sludge" in the gall bladder.Waiting with a gall bladder that is giving you trouble now can cause more trouble later. Don't wait. If you need to, get bitchy. If you need lessons, I can give you tutoring on that! If you still don't get satisfaction, you can take the case to Patient Services. They are the equivalent of the Pope, or at least a Cardinal, in Kaiser. Often just firmly restating your request with whoever is being obstructionist, with an ending "I don't want to have to contact Patient Services, but..." is enough to, er, encourage a more helpful attitude.At 07:15 02/13/2006, you wrote:>OK you guys, I need some very honest- very candid info right away. For>the past several weeks I have been having nightly gall bladder>attacks. It took weeks to get into see my PCP - finally saw her on>Friday and she agreed it looks like I might have a real problem. She>went on and ordered an ultrasound but the first available appointment>is not until late March. #1 Question - How do you work around such>time issues within Kaiser's system. For someone who is having full>blown attacks daily and is in a constant state of nausea and frequent>severe pain asking them to wait a month to even have a dianostic>sonorgram is unreal.>Question #2 If I opt to self-pay and go to a surgeon outside of Kaiser>so I can have my wls and my gb removal in the same procedure, without>taking some major risks in waiting for treatment, as an HMO, will>Kaiser still provide for regular car afterwards?>Any info you guys might be able to send my way would be much>appreciated.>dawn>Eleanor Ostereleanor@... (personal address)www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htmSan , CAOpen RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)~5'9" tall05/09/2003 319 Orientation07/15/2003 ~290 SurgeryCurrent 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yup, I was, and enjoyed EVERY MINUTE! And no, not gonna stay out of trouble, at least until tomorrow. Hubby and son are taking me out to dinner tonight, and I'm gonna wear the RED dress! In addition to Valentine's Day, it's my birthday! I may be growing older, but I REFUSE to grow up! At 09:18 02/14/2006, you wrote: >E!! Nice to see you posting here again! I see you >were hanging out with the girl gang again...Now you >stay out of trouble. LOL >Laurie Eleanor Oster eleanor@... (personal address) www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm San , CA Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA) ~5'9 " tall 05/09/2003 319 Orientation 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery Current 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yup, I was, and enjoyed EVERY MINUTE! And no, not gonna stay out of trouble, at least until tomorrow. Hubby and son are taking me out to dinner tonight, and I'm gonna wear the RED dress! In addition to Valentine's Day, it's my birthday! I may be growing older, but I REFUSE to grow up! At 09:18 02/14/2006, you wrote: >E!! Nice to see you posting here again! I see you >were hanging out with the girl gang again...Now you >stay out of trouble. LOL >Laurie Eleanor Oster eleanor@... (personal address) www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm San , CA Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003 P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA) ~5'9 " tall 05/09/2003 319 Orientation 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery Current 157±2 Goal until plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I'm in agreement with the " go to ER " school of thought. Don't bother calling, if you're in major pain, just GO. My experience with Kaiser's ER over the years has generally been excellent (with the caveat that you can end up waiting. . . and waiting. . . and waiting, but that's true of ALL ER rooms, not just Kaiser!). However, once you get in, they'll take every step and send you through all the tests they can to make sure that they know what's wrong. I went in once for unidentified pain in my abdomen, years ago, and they tested me for everything from diabetes to ectopic pregnancy to, yes, gallstones. That was back when I only weighed 220 or so and years before I had kids. . . Cathy C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I'm in agreement with the " go to ER " school of thought. Don't bother calling, if you're in major pain, just GO. My experience with Kaiser's ER over the years has generally been excellent (with the caveat that you can end up waiting. . . and waiting. . . and waiting, but that's true of ALL ER rooms, not just Kaiser!). However, once you get in, they'll take every step and send you through all the tests they can to make sure that they know what's wrong. I went in once for unidentified pain in my abdomen, years ago, and they tested me for everything from diabetes to ectopic pregnancy to, yes, gallstones. That was back when I only weighed 220 or so and years before I had kids. . . Cathy C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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