Re: Plastic Surgery - Got a Date- Pam Marsh

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam!

Congrats on the date! I am really interested in your progress here

because I too want the same things done as you. I took down all Dr

Place's info so I can call and get a consult myself. In the

meantime, can you answer a few questions for me please?

How many months post op are you? Did she say you have to be so many

months out at a stable weight before she will do these procedures?

I am just 8 months post op and have 15 lbs till I am at goal from

what Dr Baggs stated. the extra skin is driving me nuts!

Thanks and again congrats on your date! You must be so excited to

complete the new you!

Kay

336/290/165/?

Surgery 6/28/05- Dr Baggs- First day of the rest of my life!

> > Just as I promised, here is my update regarding my

> > plastic surgery

> > appointment today. I met with Place, MD,

> > F.A.C.S. in

> > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which was

> > a midsize D

> > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my body

> > composition but

> > she did not recommend that I go to a full D because

> > my frame is

> > small (that sounded nice after being severely obese

> > for 14 years).

> > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > silicone ones and I am

> > happy about that. She said they are on warranty for

> > 10 years and

> > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > after 10-15 years

> > and replace them. If something goes wrong with the

> > implants within

> > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the new

> > implants.

> >

> > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op appointment

> > is on April

> > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > breast lift with

> > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

> > She said that she

> > keeps her patients over night rather than sending

> > them home on the

> > same day and I am happy about that. Since I am a

> > secretary, she

> > said I can go back to work after two weeks. She

> > said I would have

> > two drain tubes and they are normally taken out 3-7

> > days post

> > surgery or less depending on how much draining you

> > have.

> >

> > Now for the good part. My first plastic surgeon

> > quoted me a price

> > of $20,500.00. I found out about Dr. Place from a

> > young lady at the

> > Vacaville Support Group meeting in November. Dr.

> > Place is in high

> > demand and is board certified and has been doing

> > this for many

> > years. I got this appointment back in November of

> > last year. My

> > total for the tummy tuck, breast lift with implants

> > with the

> > hospital fees and anesthesiology fees is $11,198.23.

> > The tummy tuck

> > is $4,025.00 and the breast lift with implants is

> > normally

> > $3,000.00, but I got a $300.00 discount for having

> > two procedures

> > done so my cost for the lift with implants is

> > $2,700.00. The

> > hospital fee is $2,010.00 and the anesthesia fee is

> > $1,240.00. The

> > Implants cost $1,130.00. This $11,198.23 is lower

> > than I thought.

> > The young lady that told me about Dr. Place told me

> > it was

> > $13,000.00 for her. The extra $2,000.00 is for lipo

> > and I don't

> > need lipo. Dr. Place told me that the stretch marks

> > I have due to

> > child birth will be gone once I have the tummy tuck.

> > The other

> > great thing is she does not have to cut me under the

> > breast (anchor

> > cut) like the other surgeon was going to do. She is

> > making a lollie

> > pop incision which is a line from the areola

> > (spelling) and insert

> > the implants under the muscle. She said that when

> > the tummy tuck is

> > performed she will lift the lower legs by pulling

> > the skin up so in

> > actuality, you sort of get a simi lower body lift

> > and that is great.

> >

> > I am so happy and even though I was hoping for a

> > March date, April

> > is just fine. I can spend this time working on

> > losing this

> > additional 10 pounds I wanted to lose so I will go

> > in at 130

> > pounds. Dr. Place's office is at 919 San

> > Ramon Valley

> > Blvd., Suite 255, Danville, CA 94526 and the

> > telephone number is

> > . The fax number is .

> >

> > I hope I did not bore you to much and if you have

> > any more questions

> > about my visit, I would be more than happy to talk

> > with anyone about

> > it. Email me or call me at 707 437-7950 (anytime

> > after 6:00 pm).

> >

> > Thanks for listening.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam!

Congrats on the date! I am really interested in your progress here

because I too want the same things done as you. I took down all Dr

Place's info so I can call and get a consult myself. In the

meantime, can you answer a few questions for me please?

How many months post op are you? Did she say you have to be so many

months out at a stable weight before she will do these procedures?

I am just 8 months post op and have 15 lbs till I am at goal from

what Dr Baggs stated. the extra skin is driving me nuts!

Thanks and again congrats on your date! You must be so excited to

complete the new you!

Kay

336/290/165/?

Surgery 6/28/05- Dr Baggs- First day of the rest of my life!

> > Just as I promised, here is my update regarding my

> > plastic surgery

> > appointment today. I met with Place, MD,

> > F.A.C.S. in

> > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which was

> > a midsize D

> > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my body

> > composition but

> > she did not recommend that I go to a full D because

> > my frame is

> > small (that sounded nice after being severely obese

> > for 14 years).

> > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > silicone ones and I am

> > happy about that. She said they are on warranty for

> > 10 years and

> > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > after 10-15 years

> > and replace them. If something goes wrong with the

> > implants within

> > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the new

> > implants.

> >

> > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op appointment

> > is on April

> > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > breast lift with

> > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

> > She said that she

> > keeps her patients over night rather than sending

> > them home on the

> > same day and I am happy about that. Since I am a

> > secretary, she

> > said I can go back to work after two weeks. She

> > said I would have

> > two drain tubes and they are normally taken out 3-7

> > days post

> > surgery or less depending on how much draining you

> > have.

> >

> > Now for the good part. My first plastic surgeon

> > quoted me a price

> > of $20,500.00. I found out about Dr. Place from a

> > young lady at the

> > Vacaville Support Group meeting in November. Dr.

> > Place is in high

> > demand and is board certified and has been doing

> > this for many

> > years. I got this appointment back in November of

> > last year. My

> > total for the tummy tuck, breast lift with implants

> > with the

> > hospital fees and anesthesiology fees is $11,198.23.

> > The tummy tuck

> > is $4,025.00 and the breast lift with implants is

> > normally

> > $3,000.00, but I got a $300.00 discount for having

> > two procedures

> > done so my cost for the lift with implants is

> > $2,700.00. The

> > hospital fee is $2,010.00 and the anesthesia fee is

> > $1,240.00. The

> > Implants cost $1,130.00. This $11,198.23 is lower

> > than I thought.

> > The young lady that told me about Dr. Place told me

> > it was

> > $13,000.00 for her. The extra $2,000.00 is for lipo

> > and I don't

> > need lipo. Dr. Place told me that the stretch marks

> > I have due to

> > child birth will be gone once I have the tummy tuck.

> > The other

> > great thing is she does not have to cut me under the

> > breast (anchor

> > cut) like the other surgeon was going to do. She is

> > making a lollie

> > pop incision which is a line from the areola

> > (spelling) and insert

> > the implants under the muscle. She said that when

> > the tummy tuck is

> > performed she will lift the lower legs by pulling

> > the skin up so in

> > actuality, you sort of get a simi lower body lift

> > and that is great.

> >

> > I am so happy and even though I was hoping for a

> > March date, April

> > is just fine. I can spend this time working on

> > losing this

> > additional 10 pounds I wanted to lose so I will go

> > in at 130

> > pounds. Dr. Place's office is at 919 San

> > Ramon Valley

> > Blvd., Suite 255, Danville, CA 94526 and the

> > telephone number is

> > . The fax number is .

> >

> > I hope I did not bore you to much and if you have

> > any more questions

> > about my visit, I would be more than happy to talk

> > with anyone about

> > it. Email me or call me at 707 437-7950 (anytime

> > after 6:00 pm).

> >

> > Thanks for listening.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Kay. Just prior to seeing Dr. Place, I saw Dr.

Park for my one year apt. which was the Thursday

before. Dr. Park told me that I should go for it and

that I did not have to wait. I know that it is the

probably the smart thing to do but I am going to be

diligent in doing my part to maintain this weight. I

have been at my present weight 140 since around

November so I am pretty stable and it will be 5 months

by the time I have the plastic surgery.

The only thing Dr. Place asked me was if I plan on

losing more to go ahead and try to do it now which I

plan on trying to knock off 10 more but if it does not

come off that is fine. She did not say that should

would not do the surgery if I was not at my goal

weight or desired weight. I really liked her. She is

very funny and caring and very reasonable in my

opinion. I am happy being a size 8 and I don't want

to go smaller. People think that I am smaller so that

is a plus.

I am exactly One year and 6 days post op. As time

goes on, I will keep you posted on things. I hope

that helps.

Pam Marsh

--- specialkmix2000 wrote:

> Hi Pam!

> Congrats on the date! I am really interested in your

> progress here

> because I too want the same things done as you. I

> took down all Dr

> Place's info so I can call and get a consult myself.

> In the

> meantime, can you answer a few questions for me

> please?

> How many months post op are you? Did she say you

> have to be so many

> months out at a stable weight before she will do

> these procedures?

> I am just 8 months post op and have 15 lbs till I am

> at goal from

> what Dr Baggs stated. the extra skin is driving me

> nuts!

>

> Thanks and again congrats on your date! You must be

> so excited to

> complete the new you!

>

> Kay

> 336/290/165/?

> Surgery 6/28/05- Dr Baggs- First day of the rest of

> my life!

>

>

>

> > > Just as I promised, here is my update

> regarding my

> > > plastic surgery

> > > appointment today. I met with Place,

> MD,

> > > F.A.C.S. in

> > > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which

> was

> > > a midsize D

> > > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my

> body

> > > composition but

> > > she did not recommend that I go to a full D

> because

> > > my frame is

> > > small (that sounded nice after being severely

> obese

> > > for 14 years).

> > > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > > silicone ones and I am

> > > happy about that. She said they are on warranty

> for

> > > 10 years and

> > > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > > after 10-15 years

> > > and replace them. If something goes wrong with

> the

> > > implants within

> > > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the

> new

> > > implants.

> > >

> > > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op

> appointment

> > > is on April

> > > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > > breast lift with

> > > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Kay. Just prior to seeing Dr. Place, I saw Dr.

Park for my one year apt. which was the Thursday

before. Dr. Park told me that I should go for it and

that I did not have to wait. I know that it is the

probably the smart thing to do but I am going to be

diligent in doing my part to maintain this weight. I

have been at my present weight 140 since around

November so I am pretty stable and it will be 5 months

by the time I have the plastic surgery.

The only thing Dr. Place asked me was if I plan on

losing more to go ahead and try to do it now which I

plan on trying to knock off 10 more but if it does not

come off that is fine. She did not say that should

would not do the surgery if I was not at my goal

weight or desired weight. I really liked her. She is

very funny and caring and very reasonable in my

opinion. I am happy being a size 8 and I don't want

to go smaller. People think that I am smaller so that

is a plus.

I am exactly One year and 6 days post op. As time

goes on, I will keep you posted on things. I hope

that helps.

Pam Marsh

--- specialkmix2000 wrote:

> Hi Pam!

> Congrats on the date! I am really interested in your

> progress here

> because I too want the same things done as you. I

> took down all Dr

> Place's info so I can call and get a consult myself.

> In the

> meantime, can you answer a few questions for me

> please?

> How many months post op are you? Did she say you

> have to be so many

> months out at a stable weight before she will do

> these procedures?

> I am just 8 months post op and have 15 lbs till I am

> at goal from

> what Dr Baggs stated. the extra skin is driving me

> nuts!

>

> Thanks and again congrats on your date! You must be

> so excited to

> complete the new you!

>

> Kay

> 336/290/165/?

> Surgery 6/28/05- Dr Baggs- First day of the rest of

> my life!

>

>

>

> > > Just as I promised, here is my update

> regarding my

> > > plastic surgery

> > > appointment today. I met with Place,

> MD,

> > > F.A.C.S. in

> > > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which

> was

> > > a midsize D

> > > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my

> body

> > > composition but

> > > she did not recommend that I go to a full D

> because

> > > my frame is

> > > small (that sounded nice after being severely

> obese

> > > for 14 years).

> > > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > > silicone ones and I am

> > > happy about that. She said they are on warranty

> for

> > > 10 years and

> > > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > > after 10-15 years

> > > and replace them. If something goes wrong with

> the

> > > implants within

> > > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the

> new

> > > implants.

> > >

> > > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op

> appointment

> > > is on April

> > > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > > breast lift with

> > > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response Pam!

I know I have to wait at least a year out for any surgery, so it is

nice to hear that she is willing to do this for you so soon after

your year mark. I have heard some surgeons want to see you at goal

weight from 6 months to a year before doing plastic surgery on you. I

don't want to wait that long, because like you, I am not going to do

anything to jeapordize the weight I have lost.

This is all sounding really good! I can't wait to see your before and

after pictures.

I am wondering though if I have to do that belt style tuck though, I

seem to have a lot of skin on my back and sides under the armpits,

where the bra is, I stuff the skin into the bra now. eeew. It was

nice to hear that this Dr also addressed the leg area, because I

thought I would also have to get those done. Sounds like she takes

care of that as well. You found a winner! Thanks for sharing her info

and thanks again for addressing my questions! April will be here

before you know it!

Kay

> > > > Just as I promised, here is my update

> > regarding my

> > > > plastic surgery

> > > > appointment today. I met with Place,

> > MD,

> > > > F.A.C.S. in

> > > > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which

> > was

> > > > a midsize D

> > > > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my

> > body

> > > > composition but

> > > > she did not recommend that I go to a full D

> > because

> > > > my frame is

> > > > small (that sounded nice after being severely

> > obese

> > > > for 14 years).

> > > > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > > > silicone ones and I am

> > > > happy about that. She said they are on warranty

> > for

> > > > 10 years and

> > > > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > > > after 10-15 years

> > > > and replace them. If something goes wrong with

> > the

> > > > implants within

> > > > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the

> > new

> > > > implants.

> > > >

> > > > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op

> > appointment

> > > > is on April

> > > > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > > > breast lift with

> > > > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

> >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response Pam!

I know I have to wait at least a year out for any surgery, so it is

nice to hear that she is willing to do this for you so soon after

your year mark. I have heard some surgeons want to see you at goal

weight from 6 months to a year before doing plastic surgery on you. I

don't want to wait that long, because like you, I am not going to do

anything to jeapordize the weight I have lost.

This is all sounding really good! I can't wait to see your before and

after pictures.

I am wondering though if I have to do that belt style tuck though, I

seem to have a lot of skin on my back and sides under the armpits,

where the bra is, I stuff the skin into the bra now. eeew. It was

nice to hear that this Dr also addressed the leg area, because I

thought I would also have to get those done. Sounds like she takes

care of that as well. You found a winner! Thanks for sharing her info

and thanks again for addressing my questions! April will be here

before you know it!

Kay

> > > > Just as I promised, here is my update

> > regarding my

> > > > plastic surgery

> > > > appointment today. I met with Place,

> > MD,

> > > > F.A.C.S. in

> > > > Danville. I picked the size that I wanted which

> > was

> > > > a midsize D

> > > > (400 cc). She said this was just fine for my

> > body

> > > > composition but

> > > > she did not recommend that I go to a full D

> > because

> > > > my frame is

> > > > small (that sounded nice after being severely

> > obese

> > > > for 14 years).

> > > > The implants are saline implants and not the

> > > > silicone ones and I am

> > > > happy about that. She said they are on warranty

> > for

> > > > 10 years and

> > > > unlike some implants, you don't have to go back

> > > > after 10-15 years

> > > > and replace them. If something goes wrong with

> > the

> > > > implants within

> > > > that 10 year mark, the company will pay for the

> > new

> > > > implants.

> > > >

> > > > I got a date of April 19th and my pre-op

> > appointment

> > > > is on April

> > > > 12th. My tummy tuck will take 2 hours and the

> > > > breast lift with

> > > > implants will take 2 hours for total of 4 hours.

> >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You know not to sound vain or anything but even though

I was 250 pounds people constantly say they did not

realize I weighed that much. Well I knew it but I

think a lot of it had to do with the fact that even

though I was 250 I would still run (daily at least 1.5

miles to 2 miles) and on the days I did not run, I did

aerobics. I would take Sunday off so I had a rather

tight body except for my gutt from having babies. My

legs were firm and I had a bottom. So when the weight

came off, I was shocked that I did not have a lot of

excess skin. Dr. Park told me that she was surprised

that I did not either and she said that my muscles

were pretty tight.

The plastic surgeon said the same thing and she did

tell me that she pulls up from the lower legs so you

get that tightness. She said I did not need lipo and

that I should be very pleased with the results. She

did say that I should not be in any pain (which I was

surprised). She said I would be tight but would have

pain meds if I needed it. I have been lurking on

plastic surgery boards and I am surprised because a

lot of them are saying they had no pain, just feeling

really tight. A lot of them say they were driving at

the end of the week and within 24 hours post surgery

they were up and about. I look forward to that and I

hope that is my outcome as I do have a very high pain

tolerance. I had no pain post surgery but then I had

lap surgery for my RNY.

I am sure that part of the not requiring waiting is

due to the fact that they know you will probably go

somewhere else and get it done so there is the loss of

money and also, I have been at 140 since November so

by the time I get it done, it will be 5 months at a

steady weight if I don't lose anymore but only 2.5

months post my one year mark. Anyways, I had no plans

on waiting. I a just ready to do this. My only real

gripe is my breast. Girl, this is so funny. My

husband watched me struggle to put my breast in my

bra. He said dang, its almost like you need to roll

them up (lol). I mean I would put them in there and

situate them and they would just fall all sorts of

ways (not out) but they certainly would not look like

they should in the bra. Now keep in mind I went from

a 44DD to a 34B which is a huge drop. So I really

can't wait but I will.

Well, I will keep you posted.

Pam Marsh

--- specialkmix2000 wrote:

> Thanks for your response Pam!

> I know I have to wait at least a year out for any

> surgery, so it is

> nice to hear that she is willing to do this for you

> so soon after

> your year mark. I have heard some surgeons want to

> see you at goal

> weight from 6 months to a year before doing plastic

> surgery on you. I

> don't want to wait that long, because like you, I am

> not going to do

> anything to jeapordize the weight I have lost.

> This is all sounding really good! I can't wait to

> see your before and

> after pictures.

> I am wondering though if I have to do that belt

> style tuck though, I

> seem to have a lot of skin on my back and sides

> under the armpits,

> where the bra is, I stuff the skin into the bra now.

> eeew. It was

> nice to hear that this Dr also addressed the leg

> area, because I

> thought I would also have to get those done. Sounds

> like she takes

> care of that as well. You found a winner! Thanks for

> sharing her info

> and thanks again for addressing my questions! April

> will be here

> before you know it!

>

> Kay

>

>

> > > > Donna, you sure can come and see me and you

> > > don't have

> > > > to wait until after the surgery either. I am

> > > happy

> > > > for you and it sounds like you are on your way

> to

> > > > getting things in order for you and the rest

> of

> > > your

> > > > family. I know as time goes by, time will

> heal

> > > > everything and I know this was an enormous

> step

> > > for

> > > > you but as always, you are never alone. Dr.

> Place

> > > > does not have to go all the way around. My

> > > incision

> > > > will be hip to hip (front of my stomach area)

> > > which I

> > > > am glad about. I am just totally excited and

> > > trying

> > > > to keep myself occupied so I won't think about

> how

> > > > long April is from here. I am sure it will

> sneak

> > > up

> > > > so fast and I am really ready. I purchased

> some

> > > dvds

> > > > for cardio and we just got our new weight

> machine.

> > > It

> > > > is the Weider 2006 Platinum Plus (Cross Bar

> but

>

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[Guest guest]

You know not to sound vain or anything but even though

I was 250 pounds people constantly say they did not

realize I weighed that much. Well I knew it but I

think a lot of it had to do with the fact that even

though I was 250 I would still run (daily at least 1.5

miles to 2 miles) and on the days I did not run, I did

aerobics. I would take Sunday off so I had a rather

tight body except for my gutt from having babies. My

legs were firm and I had a bottom. So when the weight

came off, I was shocked that I did not have a lot of

excess skin. Dr. Park told me that she was surprised

that I did not either and she said that my muscles

were pretty tight.

The plastic surgeon said the same thing and she did

tell me that she pulls up from the lower legs so you

get that tightness. She said I did not need lipo and

that I should be very pleased with the results. She

did say that I should not be in any pain (which I was

surprised). She said I would be tight but would have

pain meds if I needed it. I have been lurking on

plastic surgery boards and I am surprised because a

lot of them are saying they had no pain, just feeling

really tight. A lot of them say they were driving at

the end of the week and within 24 hours post surgery

they were up and about. I look forward to that and I

hope that is my outcome as I do have a very high pain

tolerance. I had no pain post surgery but then I had

lap surgery for my RNY.

I am sure that part of the not requiring waiting is

due to the fact that they know you will probably go

somewhere else and get it done so there is the loss of

money and also, I have been at 140 since November so

by the time I get it done, it will be 5 months at a

steady weight if I don't lose anymore but only 2.5

months post my one year mark. Anyways, I had no plans

on waiting. I a just ready to do this. My only real

gripe is my breast. Girl, this is so funny. My

husband watched me struggle to put my breast in my

bra. He said dang, its almost like you need to roll

them up (lol). I mean I would put them in there and

situate them and they would just fall all sorts of

ways (not out) but they certainly would not look like

they should in the bra. Now keep in mind I went from

a 44DD to a 34B which is a huge drop. So I really

can't wait but I will.

Well, I will keep you posted.

Pam Marsh

--- specialkmix2000 wrote:

> Thanks for your response Pam!

> I know I have to wait at least a year out for any

> surgery, so it is

> nice to hear that she is willing to do this for you

> so soon after

> your year mark. I have heard some surgeons want to

> see you at goal

> weight from 6 months to a year before doing plastic

> surgery on you. I

> don't want to wait that long, because like you, I am

> not going to do

> anything to jeapordize the weight I have lost.

> This is all sounding really good! I can't wait to

> see your before and

> after pictures.

> I am wondering though if I have to do that belt

> style tuck though, I

> seem to have a lot of skin on my back and sides

> under the armpits,

> where the bra is, I stuff the skin into the bra now.

> eeew. It was

> nice to hear that this Dr also addressed the leg

> area, because I

> thought I would also have to get those done. Sounds

> like she takes

> care of that as well. You found a winner! Thanks for

> sharing her info

> and thanks again for addressing my questions! April

> will be here

> before you know it!

>

> Kay

>

>

> > > > Donna, you sure can come and see me and you

> > > don't have

> > > > to wait until after the surgery either. I am

> > > happy

> > > > for you and it sounds like you are on your way

> to

> > > > getting things in order for you and the rest

> of

> > > your

> > > > family. I know as time goes by, time will

> heal

> > > > everything and I know this was an enormous

> step

> > > for

> > > > you but as always, you are never alone. Dr.

> Place

> > > > does not have to go all the way around. My

> > > incision

> > > > will be hip to hip (front of my stomach area)

> > > which I

> > > > am glad about. I am just totally excited and

> > > trying

> > > > to keep myself occupied so I won't think about

> how

> > > > long April is from here. I am sure it will

> sneak

> > > up

> > > > so fast and I am really ready. I purchased

> some

> > > dvds

> > > > for cardio and we just got our new weight

> machine.

> > > It

> > > > is the Weider 2006 Platinum Plus (Cross Bar

> but

>

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