Re: Get over it: The Pouch won't save you

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Absolutely Martha

I agree with you 100% and Im finally at that mindset. However, since

I dont feel I really reached the lowest weight possible for my

height Im not going to accept this 10 pound regain as rebound

weight...YET. Im going to continue being honest with what Im eating

and only when I am convinced that Im honestly eating according to

the program will I accept the weight I wind up at...that may be 135

it may be 150. But having dropped to 150, I will not accept 160.

Only because I know I have been rationalizing myself to 160. I

maintained 150 for 6 months. I am doing this and I will succeed at

getting off the extra poundage.

Thank you so much for always giving ME the truth....I know it comes

with love....if you didnt care you wouldnt allow me my

excuses..enabling me to stay in behaviors that arent working.

This letter could have been written to me and I thank you!

Huggles

>

> I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and The

> Pouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from what

> ultimately matters: The rest of your life.

>

> Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as

much

> as she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.

>

> Dear A.,

> I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I've

> observed, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:

> Fast weight loss (for a while).

> Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the

pouch

> expands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override

this.

> A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some

of

> us never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.

>

> Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our

control.

> We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to

say " no "

> to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Our

> failures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and

fat.

>

> To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seems

> effortless, and it's a fulfillment of our fantasy. Lots of people

find

> they can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small),

even

> experiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's

dumping.

> But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we

don't

> refrain from eating sugary foods. We try them again and again.

>

> Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikely

> that, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a

period

> of time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they

want

> to be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just like

> before. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back.

It's

> pretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest

point,

> but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creep

> up. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. The

> smaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to where

> they were, but there's no guarantee.

>

> In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people

lose

> more than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for

more

> than 5 years.

>

> What does this mean?

> It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's

a

> tool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn

to

> eat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But

you

> have to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll

gain

> it back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be

honest

> with yourself about what you're eating.

>

> The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop

you

> from telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time a

> triple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; your

> body needs carbs to live; etc. etc.

>

> You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything you

> can to get back on track. The good news is that you still have your

> pouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight. You just

> have to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.

>

> Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6)

>

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Absolutely Martha

I agree with you 100% and Im finally at that mindset. However, since

I dont feel I really reached the lowest weight possible for my

height Im not going to accept this 10 pound regain as rebound

weight...YET. Im going to continue being honest with what Im eating

and only when I am convinced that Im honestly eating according to

the program will I accept the weight I wind up at...that may be 135

it may be 150. But having dropped to 150, I will not accept 160.

Only because I know I have been rationalizing myself to 160. I

maintained 150 for 6 months. I am doing this and I will succeed at

getting off the extra poundage.

Thank you so much for always giving ME the truth....I know it comes

with love....if you didnt care you wouldnt allow me my

excuses..enabling me to stay in behaviors that arent working.

This letter could have been written to me and I thank you!

Huggles

>

> I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and The

> Pouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from what

> ultimately matters: The rest of your life.

>

> Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as

much

> as she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.

>

> Dear A.,

> I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I've

> observed, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:

> Fast weight loss (for a while).

> Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the

pouch

> expands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override

this.

> A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some

of

> us never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.

>

> Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our

control.

> We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to

say " no "

> to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Our

> failures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and

fat.

>

> To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seems

> effortless, and it's a fulfillment of our fantasy. Lots of people

find

> they can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small),

even

> experiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's

dumping.

> But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we

don't

> refrain from eating sugary foods. We try them again and again.

>

> Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikely

> that, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a

period

> of time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they

want

> to be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just like

> before. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back.

It's

> pretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest

point,

> but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creep

> up. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. The

> smaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to where

> they were, but there's no guarantee.

>

> In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people

lose

> more than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for

more

> than 5 years.

>

> What does this mean?

> It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's

a

> tool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn

to

> eat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But

you

> have to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll

gain

> it back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be

honest

> with yourself about what you're eating.

>

> The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop

you

> from telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time a

> triple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; your

> body needs carbs to live; etc. etc.

>

> You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything you

> can to get back on track. The good news is that you still have your

> pouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight. You just

> have to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.

>

> Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6)

>

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Martha This is great and I agree with this and this is how I made it to goal so fast. I plan on keeping it that way. Thanks for all the great information. Donna 11/16/04 270 orientation size 24 tight, 2x-3x tops 4/11/05 228 surgery size 18, xlarge tops 9/29/05 150 goal high side size 8 - 10, med and large tops 1/13/05 139 want 135 size 6 a couple 4's depends on maker, small and some med topsnursefera2 wrote: I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and ThePouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from whatultimately matters: The rest of your

life.Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as muchas she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.Dear A.,I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I'veobserved, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:Fast weight loss (for a while). Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the pouchexpands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override this.A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some ofus never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our control.We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to say "no"to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Ourfailures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and fat. To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seemseffortless, and it's a fulfillment of our

fantasy. Lots of people findthey can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small), evenexperiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's dumping.But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we don'trefrain from eating sugary foods. We try them again and again.Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikelythat, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a periodof time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they wantto be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just likebefore. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back. It'spretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest point,but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creepup. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. Thesmaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to wherethey were, but there's no

guarantee.In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people losemore than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for morethan 5 years.What does this mean?It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's atool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn toeat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But youhave to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll gainit back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be honestwith yourself about what you're eating. The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop youfrom telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time atriple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; yourbody needs carbs to live; etc. etc.You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything youcan to get back on track. The good news is that you

still have yourpouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight. You justhave to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6) Donna

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Martha This is great and I agree with this and this is how I made it to goal so fast. I plan on keeping it that way. Thanks for all the great information. Donna 11/16/04 270 orientation size 24 tight, 2x-3x tops 4/11/05 228 surgery size 18, xlarge tops 9/29/05 150 goal high side size 8 - 10, med and large tops 1/13/05 139 want 135 size 6 a couple 4's depends on maker, small and some med topsnursefera2 wrote: I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and ThePouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from whatultimately matters: The rest of your

life.Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as muchas she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.Dear A.,I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I'veobserved, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:Fast weight loss (for a while). Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the pouchexpands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override this.A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some ofus never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our control.We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to say "no"to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Ourfailures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and fat. To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seemseffortless, and it's a fulfillment of our

fantasy. Lots of people findthey can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small), evenexperiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's dumping.But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we don'trefrain from eating sugary foods. We try them again and again.Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikelythat, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a periodof time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they wantto be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just likebefore. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back. It'spretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest point,but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creepup. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. Thesmaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to wherethey were, but there's no

guarantee.In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people losemore than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for morethan 5 years.What does this mean?It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's atool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn toeat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But youhave to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll gainit back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be honestwith yourself about what you're eating. The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop youfrom telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time atriple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; yourbody needs carbs to live; etc. etc.You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything youcan to get back on track. The good news is that you

still have yourpouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight. You justhave to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6) Donna

JordonDSJordon@...

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I know you can do this! Donna Diane Duenas wrote: Absolutely MarthaI agree with you 100% and Im finally at that mindset. However, since I dont feel I really reached the lowest weight possible for my height Im not going to accept this 10 pound regain as rebound weight...YET. Im going to continue being honest with what Im eating and only when I am convinced that Im honestly eating according to the program will I accept the weight I wind up at...that may be 135 it may be 150. But having dropped to 150, I will not accept 160. Only because I know I have been rationalizing myself to 160. I maintained 150 for 6 months. I am doing this and I will succeed at getting off the extra poundage.Thank you so much for always giving ME the

truth....I know it comes with love....if you didnt care you wouldnt allow me my excuses..enabling me to stay in behaviors that arent working.This letter could have been written to me and I thank you!Huggles>> I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and The> Pouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from what> ultimately matters: The rest of your life.> > Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as much> as she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.> > Dear A.,> I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I've> observed, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:> Fast weight loss (for a while). > Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the pouch>

expands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override this.> A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some of> us never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.> > Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our control.> We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to say "no"> to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Our> failures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and fat. > > To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seems> effortless, and it's a fulfillment of our fantasy. Lots of people find> they can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small), even> experiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's dumping.> But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we don't> refrain from eating sugary

foods. We try them again and again.> > Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikely> that, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a period> of time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they want> to be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just like> before. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back. It's> pretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest point,> but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creep> up. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. The> smaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to where> they were, but there's no guarantee.> > In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people lose> more than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for more> than 5 years.>

> What does this mean?> It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's a> tool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn to> eat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But you> have to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll gain> it back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be honest> with yourself about what you're eating. > > The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop you> from telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time a> triple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; your> body needs carbs to live; etc. etc.> > You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything you> can to get back on track. The good news is that you still have your> pouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight.

You just> have to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.> > Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6)> Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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I know you can do this! Donna Diane Duenas wrote: Absolutely MarthaI agree with you 100% and Im finally at that mindset. However, since I dont feel I really reached the lowest weight possible for my height Im not going to accept this 10 pound regain as rebound weight...YET. Im going to continue being honest with what Im eating and only when I am convinced that Im honestly eating according to the program will I accept the weight I wind up at...that may be 135 it may be 150. But having dropped to 150, I will not accept 160. Only because I know I have been rationalizing myself to 160. I maintained 150 for 6 months. I am doing this and I will succeed at getting off the extra poundage.Thank you so much for always giving ME the

truth....I know it comes with love....if you didnt care you wouldnt allow me my excuses..enabling me to stay in behaviors that arent working.This letter could have been written to me and I thank you!Huggles>> I had a realization: This process isn't about The Surgery and The> Pouch. The Surgery/Pouch is a lovely 1.5 year distraction from what> ultimately matters: The rest of your life.> > Here's is a letter I wrote to a postop person who didn't lose as much> as she wanted to, and then gained some weight back.> > Dear A.,> I'm 3+ years out. The truth, from my experience and what I've> observed, is that the pouch gives us 3 things:> Fast weight loss (for a while). > Early satiety: we can feel full on less food, but over time the pouch>

expands, so we have to learn to pay attention and not override this.> A feeling of fullness when we're full: This is a signal that some of> us never had. We have to learn and practice with this, too.> > Lots of us have believed that our weight gain was beyond our control.> We wanted to be one of those mythical people who never had to say "no"> to food and could eat whatever/whenever and get/stay thin. Our> failures with diets caused us to resign ourselves to passivity and fat. > > To most post-ops, the weight loss in the first 1-1.5 years seems> effortless, and it's a fulfillment of our fantasy. Lots of people find> they can eat to their capacity (which in the beginning is small), even> experiment with carbs, and still lose weight. Sure, there's dumping.> But that often wears off. And how do I/we know that? Because we don't> refrain from eating sugary

foods. We try them again and again.> > Inevitably the easy weight loss stops. The good news: It's unlikely> that, on our own, we could have lost that much in that short a period> of time. The bad news: Most people don't get to the weight they want> to be at. Most people end up craving food and overeating, just like> before. And many people gain significant amounts of weight back. It's> pretty normal to stabilize at 10-15 pounds above one's lowest point,> but after that lots of people go back to their old habits and creep> up. By the 5-year mark many people have reverted to old habits. The> smaller stomach may stop them from getting all the way up to where> they were, but there's no guarantee.> > In non-surgery life, only a tiny portion of morbidly obese people lose> more than 100 pounds, and about 1% of those can keep it off for more> than 5 years.>

> What does this mean?> It means that the pouch is not going to keep your weight off. It's a> tool to get to a lower weight. It's a tool that can help you learn to> eat less. It's a tool that can help you experience fullness. But you> have to use discipline and etc. to keep the weight off, or you'll gain> it back. You have to stick to the basics of the program, and be honest> with yourself about what you're eating. > > The pouch does not stop you from snacking. The pouch does not stop you> from telling lies to yourself...like: just this one time a> triple-caramel frappucino with whip won't make any difference; your> body needs carbs to live; etc. etc.> > You are doing the right thing to get therapy, and do everything you> can to get back on track. The good news is that you still have your> pouch, it still works, and you can still lose the weight.

You just> have to do what all of us have to do: Learn to eat with discipline.> > Martha S. (RNY 9/30/2002, size 28 -> size 6)> Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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