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Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Kathleen,

We were going to go down 10 at a time so it is nice to know that someone else

has forged the way. We're going to try it and see...

Chris

Re: From 85 to 40???

Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Kathleen,

We were going to go down 10 at a time so it is nice to know that someone else

has forged the way. We're going to try it and see...

Chris

Re: From 85 to 40???

Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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I have a question...do you know why Dr. P. would suggest a different rotation

for specific cases or different hours in the FAB? Just wondering how this aids

the treatment, especially since he suggested something similar for our dd, via

e-mail, but I don't understand why. Thanks!

Marcia

Re: From 85 to 40???

Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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I have a question...do you know why Dr. P. would suggest a different rotation

for specific cases or different hours in the FAB? Just wondering how this aids

the treatment, especially since he suggested something similar for our dd, via

e-mail, but I don't understand why. Thanks!

Marcia

Re: From 85 to 40???

Chris-

We just emailed Dr P as our doctor wanted us to reduce our son's

shoes from 70 degrees to 55 degrees. Dr P concurred that 's

outward rotation is extreme and he does need to have the shoes

reduced. We have started the reduction by doing 5 degrees at a time.

Since you have to reduce so much-I would maybe do 10 degrees at a

time. We had him in the 55degrees for 3 nights(prior to putting them

back at 70 on our own device) and he had a terrible time getting

comfortable. Yesterday we began the first 5 degrees and last night

he had no problems sleeping. I hope this helps but I believe a

gradual reduction-ie every couple of days would be better.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10 hours(per Dr P)

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Hi Chris-

My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Hi Chris-

My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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So these are the children who would have previously been removed from

the brace for loose ligaments right? I remember hearing a lot about

loose ligaments when we first came here, but then they changed the

bracing protocols due to the relapses associated with early release

which included a few (enough to notice apparently) children who were

termed loose like this.

hummm... well the description of catching her foot on things

as she walked really cleared up the loose ligament thing for me. Now

I understand a little better what that means. I can see why that

would have seemed like bracing needed to be discarded in the first

place now. Reducing the abduction makes perfect sense for these

children, absolutely.

Good topic. I hope to hear that is more sure footed soon and

the reduction goes smoothly.

Kori

At 09:50 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Chris-

>

>My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

>started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

>With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

>correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

>at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

>recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

>atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

>something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

>Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

>85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

>start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

>October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

>ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

>Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

>everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

>walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

>around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

>on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

>turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

>when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

>It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

>her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

>Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

>are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

>figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

>situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

>hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

>the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

>issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

>decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

>child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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So these are the children who would have previously been removed from

the brace for loose ligaments right? I remember hearing a lot about

loose ligaments when we first came here, but then they changed the

bracing protocols due to the relapses associated with early release

which included a few (enough to notice apparently) children who were

termed loose like this.

hummm... well the description of catching her foot on things

as she walked really cleared up the loose ligament thing for me. Now

I understand a little better what that means. I can see why that

would have seemed like bracing needed to be discarded in the first

place now. Reducing the abduction makes perfect sense for these

children, absolutely.

Good topic. I hope to hear that is more sure footed soon and

the reduction goes smoothly.

Kori

At 09:50 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Chris-

>

>My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

>started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

>With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

>correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

>at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

>recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

>atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

>something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

>Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

>85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

>start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

>October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

>ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

>Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

>everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

>walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

>around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

>on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

>turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

>when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

>It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

>her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

>Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

>are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

>figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

>situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

>hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

>the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

>issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

>decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

>child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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- thanks for the reassurance. Does your son have atypical feet or was

there some other issue or ?

Chris

Re: From 85 to 40???

Hi Chris-

My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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- thanks for the reassurance. Does your son have atypical feet or was

there some other issue or ?

Chris

Re: From 85 to 40???

Hi Chris-

My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

> Hi All,

> Quick history:

> casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

Here in lies the issue.

>

> is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

hyperextends backwards.

>

> Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

child have difficulty with it?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts,

> Chris

>

> A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

>

>

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Kori,

She doesn't really get her foot caught on 'things' per se. What happens is when

she's moving her feet from underneath her or when we're taking her in and out of

her high chair or she's going from sitting to standing sometimes her foot isn't

turned out the same way yours and mine are because they are so loose and she has

to give an extra tug or wiggle to get her leg to go where she wants it to go.

Does that make sense? LOL Anyway, wanted to clear that up if there was any

mud. :)

My worry is this: She has already been sent down the path by both our local

ortho and Dr. P for an ATTT. Her tendon is so strong that in just a few hours

out of the shoe her feet are turned if you KWIM. However, when she stands on

them they are fine and when she's totally relaxed like when sleeping or resting

they are fine. Her big toes also still stick up about 50 percent of the time

when she's active and even one does it when walking sometimes. Won't all of the

work we've done to stretch those tendons (she's had her bar set at 90 degrees

for a long time before he moved it to 85 at the last visit) be undone by having

her feet at that angle? In other words, yes she has loose ligaments on one side

of her feet but NOT on the other. LOL

Chris

Re: Re: From 85 to 40???

So these are the children who would have previously been removed from

the brace for loose ligaments right? I remember hearing a lot about

loose ligaments when we first came here, but then they changed the

bracing protocols due to the relapses associated with early release

which included a few (enough to notice apparently) children who were

termed loose like this.

hummm... well the description of catching her foot on things

as she walked really cleared up the loose ligament thing for me. Now

I understand a little better what that means. I can see why that

would have seemed like bracing needed to be discarded in the first

place now. Reducing the abduction makes perfect sense for these

children, absolutely.

Good topic. I hope to hear that is more sure footed soon and

the reduction goes smoothly.

Kori

At 09:50 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Chris-

>

>My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

>started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

>With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

>correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

>at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

>recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

>atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

>something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

>Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

>85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

>start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

>October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

>ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

>Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

>everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

>walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

>around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

>on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

>turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

>when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

>It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

>her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

>Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

>are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

>figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

>situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

>hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

>the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

>issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

>decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

>child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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Kori,

She doesn't really get her foot caught on 'things' per se. What happens is when

she's moving her feet from underneath her or when we're taking her in and out of

her high chair or she's going from sitting to standing sometimes her foot isn't

turned out the same way yours and mine are because they are so loose and she has

to give an extra tug or wiggle to get her leg to go where she wants it to go.

Does that make sense? LOL Anyway, wanted to clear that up if there was any

mud. :)

My worry is this: She has already been sent down the path by both our local

ortho and Dr. P for an ATTT. Her tendon is so strong that in just a few hours

out of the shoe her feet are turned if you KWIM. However, when she stands on

them they are fine and when she's totally relaxed like when sleeping or resting

they are fine. Her big toes also still stick up about 50 percent of the time

when she's active and even one does it when walking sometimes. Won't all of the

work we've done to stretch those tendons (she's had her bar set at 90 degrees

for a long time before he moved it to 85 at the last visit) be undone by having

her feet at that angle? In other words, yes she has loose ligaments on one side

of her feet but NOT on the other. LOL

Chris

Re: Re: From 85 to 40???

So these are the children who would have previously been removed from

the brace for loose ligaments right? I remember hearing a lot about

loose ligaments when we first came here, but then they changed the

bracing protocols due to the relapses associated with early release

which included a few (enough to notice apparently) children who were

termed loose like this.

hummm... well the description of catching her foot on things

as she walked really cleared up the loose ligament thing for me. Now

I understand a little better what that means. I can see why that

would have seemed like bracing needed to be discarded in the first

place now. Reducing the abduction makes perfect sense for these

children, absolutely.

Good topic. I hope to hear that is more sure footed soon and

the reduction goes smoothly.

Kori

At 09:50 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Chris-

>

>My son is now 3 1/2 but we too had to do this around the time he

>started walking per our doctor and Dr. P's recomendation as well.

>With in just a few days his walk looked so much better.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

>correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

>at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

>recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as severely

>atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

>something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

>Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

>85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least a

>start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

>October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

>ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

>Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

>everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

>walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around and

>around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue. Balancing

>on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

>turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

>when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at her 'flexibility'.

>It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

>her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and our

>Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the feet

>are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

>figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

>situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

>hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to help

>the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

>issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

>decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

>child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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Marcia-

Our doctor wanted us to reduce his degrees to 55 degrees because our

son when standing in neutral-his foot rotates out to 90 degrees or

more. He believes that because david is sooo flexible-ie through the

hips/knees/feet, that the 70 degree angle is aiding this

flexibility. As develops, his tendons/ligaments are expected

to tighten-however, his fab is helping stretch them out even

further. I emailed Dr ponseti with about 15 pictures and Dr Ponseti

agreed with our doctors conclusion. He wants nights only-hence the

10 hours(although david sleeps 12) and to reduce the shoes to 55

degrees to see if that will help tighten up his foot ligaments-I

know opposite problem most clubfeet kids have. I printed the global

health booklet and it mentions that in some cases the kids shoes

after the 23/7 wear needs to have the angle reduced to 55 or less

degrees.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10/7

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

> correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She

relapsed

> at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

> recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as

severely

> atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

> something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and

Dr.

> Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set

at

> 85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at

least a

> start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

> October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

> ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

> Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

> everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she

can

> walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around

and

> around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue.

Balancing

> on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

> turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much

and

> when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at

her 'flexibility'.

> It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't

give

> her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and

our

> Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the

feet

> are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And

we

> figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

> situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

> hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to

help

> the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

> issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

> decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did

your

> child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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Marcia-

Our doctor wanted us to reduce his degrees to 55 degrees because our

son when standing in neutral-his foot rotates out to 90 degrees or

more. He believes that because david is sooo flexible-ie through the

hips/knees/feet, that the 70 degree angle is aiding this

flexibility. As develops, his tendons/ligaments are expected

to tighten-however, his fab is helping stretch them out even

further. I emailed Dr ponseti with about 15 pictures and Dr Ponseti

agreed with our doctors conclusion. He wants nights only-hence the

10 hours(although david sleeps 12) and to reduce the shoes to 55

degrees to see if that will help tighten up his foot ligaments-I

know opposite problem most clubfeet kids have. I printed the global

health booklet and it mentions that in some cases the kids shoes

after the 23/7 wear needs to have the angle reduced to 55 or less

degrees.

Hope this helps!

Kathleen

mom to bcf 8/28/04 fab 10/7

> > Hi All,

> > Quick history:

> > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

> correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She

relapsed

> at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

> recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as

severely

> atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

> something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and

Dr.

> Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set

at

> 85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at

least a

> start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

> October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

> ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

> Here in lies the issue.

> >

> > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

> everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she

can

> walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around

and

> around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue.

Balancing

> on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

> turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much

and

> when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at

her 'flexibility'.

> It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't

give

> her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and

our

> Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the

feet

> are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And

we

> figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

> situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

> hyperextends backwards.

> >

> > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to

help

> the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

> issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

> decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did

your

> child have difficulty with it?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > Chris

> >

> > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> >

> >

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Kori-

If you could see my son and his " loose " ligaments, it is amazing. A

lot of the times I say to myself-how did he do that? We have had

some troubles with his progression-ie sitting/crawling/cruising

because he can contort his body in nearly unhuman ways. I see his

future in gymnastics if this continues!

take care!

kathleen

> > > Hi All,

> > > Quick history:

> > > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

> >correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

> >at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

> >recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as

severely

> >atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

> >something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

> >Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

> >85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least

a

> >start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

> >October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

> >ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

> >Here in lies the issue.

> > >

> > > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

> >everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

> >walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around

and

> >around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue.

Balancing

> >on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

> >turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

> >when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at

her 'flexibility'.

> >It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

> >her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and

our

> >Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the

feet

> >are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

> >figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

> >situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

> >hyperextends backwards.

> > >

> > > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to

help

> >the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

> >issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

> >decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

> >child have difficulty with it?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> > >

> > >

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Kori-

If you could see my son and his " loose " ligaments, it is amazing. A

lot of the times I say to myself-how did he do that? We have had

some troubles with his progression-ie sitting/crawling/cruising

because he can contort his body in nearly unhuman ways. I see his

future in gymnastics if this continues!

take care!

kathleen

> > > Hi All,

> > > Quick history:

> > > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

> >correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

> >at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

> >recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as

severely

> >atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

> >something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

> >Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

> >85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least

a

> >start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

> >October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

> >ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

> >Here in lies the issue.

> > >

> > > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

> >everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

> >walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around

and

> >around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue.

Balancing

> >on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

> >turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

> >when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at

her 'flexibility'.

> >It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

> >her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and

our

> >Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the

feet

> >are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

> >figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

> >situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

> >hyperextends backwards.

> > >

> > > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to

help

> >the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

> >issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

> >decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

> >child have difficulty with it?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> > >

> > >

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I can soooo relate Kathleen!!! We say she's a budding gymnast all of the time.

Chris

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Kori-

If you could see my son and his " loose " ligaments, it is amazing. A

lot of the times I say to myself-how did he do that? We have had

some troubles with his progression-ie sitting/crawling/cruising

because he can contort his body in nearly unhuman ways. I see his

future in gymnastics if this continues!

take care!

kathleen

> > > Hi All,

> > > Quick history:

> > > casted at birth incorrectly. At 4 weeks was casted

> >correctly and fully corrected by Ponseti trained Dr. She relapsed

> >at 9 mos and he recommended AFO's so we went to see Dr. P. He

> >recasted and fully corrected her and diagnosed her feet as

severely

> >atypical. (Of course she always chooses the hard way to do

> >something). She relapsed again (darn those atypical feet) and Dr.

> >Ponseti casted them once more. She wears the PM's that are set at

> >85 degree by Dr. P at the moment. They were 90 so 85 is at least

a

> >start in the right direction! We're due to go back to Dr. P in

> >October for a check. He's also deciding whether she'll need the

> >ATTT but will decide that after she's been walking about 6 mos.

> >Here in lies the issue.

> > >

> > > is 19 mos old and will cruise around anything and

> >everything. She pushes anything that will push around so she can

> >walk behind it and she CONSTANTLY wants us to 'walk' her around

and

> >around the circle of the house. Walking isn't the issue.

Balancing

> >on the other hand is. She has such loose ligaments that she can

> >turn her foot almost 180 degrees without it bothering her much and

> >when her foot gets caught we are often amazed at

her 'flexibility'.

> >It is this flexibility however, and the ligaments that won't give

> >her enough of a base of support to balance herself. Our PT and

our

> >Ped say that her outside ligaments that are stretched when the

feet

> >are clubbed haven't shortened as they are supposed to do. And we

> >figure that keeping her feet at 85 degrees isn't helping the

> >situation. Her feet 'bow out' at the ankle area and her knee

> >hyperextends backwards.

> > >

> > > Dr. Ponseti just recommended that we take her to 40 to try to

help

> >the situation and get back to him ASAP. Has anyone ever had any

> >issues like this as far as the ligaments go? And has anyone

> >decreased the angle so drastically in just a short time? Did your

> >child have difficulty with it?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts,

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

> > >

> > >

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