A Crossroads of sorts?

[Guest guest]

HI Ron,

I know it is so hard getting to the goal weight that they have set for you but it is so worth if in the long run. I am glad that you are going to talk to the psychologist because you could be at the point where you do need a bit more professional help and guidance. It is so hard trying to do it by yourself at times. I know we are all here for you but yet only you have the power and the control to make it happen for you. You are the one that is making the choices as to whether you are following the meal plan as indicted by Kaiser or not. Whether you decide to exercise each day or not. I know we can come up with a hundred and one excuses for why we didn't do something when we should be really think of why we should be doing it each and everyday.

Even though I had the surgery three years ago everyday for me is a challenge because I slacked off for a while and my weight went up a bit. I am now down to 227. I have to tell myself everyday I need to go to the gym because my body needs to stay on track. When I go to the store I see things and I say to myself do I really need whatever it is that I am tempted to buy at the moment. I talk myself out of buying things that are wrong for me. I say to myself I have come so far why do I want to go back to my old ways. When you have this surgery you really do have to change you relationship with food. Exercise has to become also an important part of your life also.

I know it is hard for you to walk long distances but you did get that wonderful equipment so are you using it? Just working out 30 minutes a day will really make such a difference in your weight lose and I know you can do it. It will really jump start your body and it will get you to goal before you know it.

Ramona

[Guest guest]

HI Ron,

I know it is so hard getting to the goal weight that they have set for you but it is so worth if in the long run. I am glad that you are going to talk to the psychologist because you could be at the point where you do need a bit more professional help and guidance. It is so hard trying to do it by yourself at times. I know we are all here for you but yet only you have the power and the control to make it happen for you. You are the one that is making the choices as to whether you are following the meal plan as indicted by Kaiser or not. Whether you decide to exercise each day or not. I know we can come up with a hundred and one excuses for why we didn't do something when we should be really think of why we should be doing it each and everyday.

Even though I had the surgery three years ago everyday for me is a challenge because I slacked off for a while and my weight went up a bit. I am now down to 227. I have to tell myself everyday I need to go to the gym because my body needs to stay on track. When I go to the store I see things and I say to myself do I really need whatever it is that I am tempted to buy at the moment. I talk myself out of buying things that are wrong for me. I say to myself I have come so far why do I want to go back to my old ways. When you have this surgery you really do have to change you relationship with food. Exercise has to become also an important part of your life also.

I know it is hard for you to walk long distances but you did get that wonderful equipment so are you using it? Just working out 30 minutes a day will really make such a difference in your weight lose and I know you can do it. It will really jump start your body and it will get you to goal before you know it.

Ramona

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot".

Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot".

Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest. I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!! RobynnBBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start

asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest. I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!! RobynnBBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start

asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

[Guest guest]

Robynn... WOW. Of all the possible replies I could have imagined, this wasn't anywhere near the list. ly, I've been feeling a little emotional about this entire situation of late and when I read this, I shed a few tears. Don't worry, there was a smile attached to them. I only hope I can live up to your high opinion. Thanks Darlin'... you're the best!

Ron

Re: A Crossroads of sorts?

Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest.

I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!!

RobynnBBQ Man wrote:

Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot".

Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Robynn... WOW. Of all the possible replies I could have imagined, this wasn't anywhere near the list. ly, I've been feeling a little emotional about this entire situation of late and when I read this, I shed a few tears. Don't worry, there was a smile attached to them. I only hope I can live up to your high opinion. Thanks Darlin'... you're the best!

Ron

Re: A Crossroads of sorts?

Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest.

I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!!

RobynnBBQ Man wrote:

Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot".

Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Ron, Thank you so much for sharing this. I think you will really

benefit from seeing Beth. I liked her a lot. I think they asked you

to lose a lot of weight because they think you will be healthier for

surgery and maybe they think you need to understand something about

your eating and your feelings that only come up when you have to

lose weight. I go all the way down to see Gity in S. SF because she

helps people put the puzzle together for themselves. They want this

to be a seemless operation and if you are eating too much now, they

think you will eat too much later and that is so dangerous. They

keep telling me about the woman who ate a turkey sandwich the day

after surgery. Needless to say, she died. I don't think the people

at Kaiser have quite recovered from that. They are very strict now

but it is for our own good. Good luck with Beth. She can help. Love,

Lilka

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for

me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start

asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in

at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's

been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a

mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's

no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able

to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were

very strict about their guidelines and there would be no " re-

considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked

about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see

her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap.

It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for

now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Ron, Thank you so much for sharing this. I think you will really

benefit from seeing Beth. I liked her a lot. I think they asked you

to lose a lot of weight because they think you will be healthier for

surgery and maybe they think you need to understand something about

your eating and your feelings that only come up when you have to

lose weight. I go all the way down to see Gity in S. SF because she

helps people put the puzzle together for themselves. They want this

to be a seemless operation and if you are eating too much now, they

think you will eat too much later and that is so dangerous. They

keep telling me about the woman who ate a turkey sandwich the day

after surgery. Needless to say, she died. I don't think the people

at Kaiser have quite recovered from that. They are very strict now

but it is for our own good. Good luck with Beth. She can help. Love,

Lilka

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for

me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start

asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in

at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's

been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a

mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's

no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able

to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were

very strict about their guidelines and there would be no " re-

considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked

about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see

her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap.

It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for

now... I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Ron,

Your optimism and courage despite challenges is such a great example

to us all. Just keep at it, and fight the good fight, and before you

know it, you'll be on your way to the other side.

Getting help from Beth is such a great idea. I think it's so

important that we all start to develop coping mechanisms through this

journey to reach out for help when we need it.

Morbidly obese people tend to avoid accessing health care due to

factors of mobility and shame (I read that recently but can't

remember where). Getting out of that helpless mode is such an

important step for us.

Remain mindful and vigilant, and you'll be sure to get your day in

the sun (or rather your surgery date).

Francisco

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for

me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking

some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459.

That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a

real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54

pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no

longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to

have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very

strict about their guidelines and there would be no " re-

considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked

about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her

next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's

just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now...

I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Ron,

Your optimism and courage despite challenges is such a great example

to us all. Just keep at it, and fight the good fight, and before you

know it, you'll be on your way to the other side.

Getting help from Beth is such a great idea. I think it's so

important that we all start to develop coping mechanisms through this

journey to reach out for help when we need it.

Morbidly obese people tend to avoid accessing health care due to

factors of mobility and shame (I read that recently but can't

remember where). Getting out of that helpless mode is such an

important step for us.

Remain mindful and vigilant, and you'll be sure to get your day in

the sun (or rather your surgery date).

Francisco

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for

me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking

some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459.

That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a

real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54

pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no

longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to

have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very

strict about their guidelines and there would be no " re-

considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also

about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked

about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her

next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's

just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now...

I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Ron - from the conversation we had on Monday night in the Chat room, I think you're worth it too! Hang in there and do whatever you need to do to get to your goal. We're ALL here for you!

in Cupertino

[Guest guest]

Ron - from the conversation we had on Monday night in the Chat room, I think you're worth it too! Hang in there and do whatever you need to do to get to your goal. We're ALL here for you!

in Cupertino

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Ron on what you have lost so far. You

are doing fine and will have your surgery. Just

continue to press your way and speaking with Liz is a

great idea to. Don't ever feel like you are alone in

what you are feeling. Although some of us have not

had to loose as much as you have, we all have been

there and we do know what you are experiencing. Be

encouraged and you are not bothering us with your

post. We love to hear from everybody and that is why

we are here.

Pam Marsh

--- manisodream wrote:

> Ron,

>

> Your optimism and courage despite challenges is such

> a great example

> to us all. Just keep at it, and fight the good

> fight, and before you

> know it, you'll be on your way to the other side.

>

> Getting help from Beth is such a great idea. I

> think it's so

> important that we all start to develop coping

> mechanisms through this

> journey to reach out for help when we need it.

>

> Morbidly obese people tend to avoid accessing health

> care due to

> factors of mobility and shame (I read that recently

> but can't

> remember where). Getting out of that helpless mode

> is such an

> important step for us.

>

> Remain mindful and vigilant, and you'll be sure to

> get your day in

> the sun (or rather your surgery date).

>

> Francisco

>

>

> >

> > Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let

> you all know

> about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it

> was no big event,

> and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a

> crossroads for

> me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I

> would start asking

> some questions. First things first though.... I

> weighed in at 459.

> That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in.

> It's been a

> real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess.

> Just a mere 54

> pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my

> " carrot " .

> >

> > Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and

> was told she's no

> longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me.

> But, I was able to

> have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the

> surgeons were very

> strict about their guidelines and there would be no

> " re-

> considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky "

> that Dr. Baggs

> agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't

> do it on people

> over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being

> " nasty " or

> condescending in what she told me. I talked to her

> briefly also

> about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me

> up " and asked

> about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an

> appt. to see her

> next week and maybe she can help me get past all

> this crap. It's

> just so hard to put that aside, although I keep

> trying.

> >

> > I'll let you know how things go after my chat with

> Beth. In the

> mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in

> hopes of dropping

> more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my

> yammering for now...

> I'll be chit chattin' more later.

> >

> > Ron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Ron on what you have lost so far. You

are doing fine and will have your surgery. Just

continue to press your way and speaking with Liz is a

great idea to. Don't ever feel like you are alone in

what you are feeling. Although some of us have not

had to loose as much as you have, we all have been

there and we do know what you are experiencing. Be

encouraged and you are not bothering us with your

post. We love to hear from everybody and that is why

we are here.

Pam Marsh

--- manisodream wrote:

> Ron,

>

> Your optimism and courage despite challenges is such

> a great example

> to us all. Just keep at it, and fight the good

> fight, and before you

> know it, you'll be on your way to the other side.

>

> Getting help from Beth is such a great idea. I

> think it's so

> important that we all start to develop coping

> mechanisms through this

> journey to reach out for help when we need it.

>

> Morbidly obese people tend to avoid accessing health

> care due to

> factors of mobility and shame (I read that recently

> but can't

> remember where). Getting out of that helpless mode

> is such an

> important step for us.

>

> Remain mindful and vigilant, and you'll be sure to

> get your day in

> the sun (or rather your surgery date).

>

> Francisco

>

>

> >

> > Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let

> you all know

> about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it

> was no big event,

> and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a

> crossroads for

> me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I

> would start asking

> some questions. First things first though.... I

> weighed in at 459.

> That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in.

> It's been a

> real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess.

> Just a mere 54

> pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my

> " carrot " .

> >

> > Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and

> was told she's no

> longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me.

> But, I was able to

> have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the

> surgeons were very

> strict about their guidelines and there would be no

> " re-

> considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky "

> that Dr. Baggs

> agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't

> do it on people

> over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being

> " nasty " or

> condescending in what she told me. I talked to her

> briefly also

> about my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me

> up " and asked

> about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an

> appt. to see her

> next week and maybe she can help me get past all

> this crap. It's

> just so hard to put that aside, although I keep

> trying.

> >

> > I'll let you know how things go after my chat with

> Beth. In the

> mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in

> hopes of dropping

> more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my

> yammering for now...

> I'll be chit chattin' more later.

> >

> > Ron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well Ron...the thing is...you have a quality that is going to make you an ultimate success. Not just successful to get to the surgery...but successful in your whole journey. And here is what it is: despite the fact that you have a Herculean feat ahead of you (me who struggled to lose 27 lbs. prior to surgery), despite the fact that you are living with someone who is probably shrinking by the day...seemingly effortlessly...despite the fact that you suffered a set back, and wound up having to lose even more than you originally had to do...DESPITE ALL OF THAT, there is an unvanquishable optimism in you. There is a peom, that sadly, I can't remember verbatim...but it talks about being in the midst of a freezing, challenging winter, and realizing that there is an invincible summer within. That is the human spirit. And some people are always pessimistic. But you are different. I'm not

syaing that you don't have your moments of despair and doubt, if you didn't, I'd wonder whether you were human. But what is magic in you...the real strength, is that you are facing this challenge, and you are combatting your fears and your resistances to change and your rationalizing and your excuses...and you are just putting yourself out there. Darn it, I'm going to do what it takes. It's normal to have occasional set-backs. It's very very hard to retain constant focus on this goal. Obviously, the more consistently you are focused, the more success you'll have in your weightloss efforts upfront. But here's the thing, Ron...you are developing skills, coping skills, that will help you afterwards. You see Beth. you talk to her. Use her as often as you can to explore what got you to the place you are at today. I read many books (and did the workbooks) by Geneen Roth

("Overcoming compulsive overeating") and then there was another one called, "Love Hunger" by a different author. There is another book called "Boundaries" that I found to be very helpful. These are important self-explorations to take. Until you realize that your extra weight, while it is probably in part due to genetics...is also the result of serious overeating. And while it could be that you just love food...there is also an emotional component to it, I'll just bet you. A part of you that turns to food for nurturance. So, imagine when you don't have that teddy bear available to you anymore? you need to establish some system to help you cope with the emotional vacuums in your life. Whether you eat because you don't establish appropriate boundaries, and you let people walk all over you...and so you choke down anger and frustration by eating...or whether you are lonely and feel unloved and so you seek the solace and comfort of

food...or whether you have fear of close, intimate relationships for whatever reason, and so you use food as a "suit of armour" to protect yourself from the bows and arrows that come with the quest for love...whatever the reasons...you need to figure them out. And then you need to arm yourself. With self-love and acceptance. With tools to establish appropriate boundaries. With alternative means to constructively give yourself the love and nurturance you need. And you, my friend, have what it takes. I see it in you, that invincible summer. You are going to get there...and your life is going to change dramatically. You are going to learn about yourself, really dig down and get a handle on what makes you tick...what makes you self-destructive. I just can't wait. You are such a great and terrific soul...and I just can't wait until you get

there!!! RobynnBBQ Man wrote: Robynn... WOW. Of all the possible replies I could have imagined, this wasn't anywhere near the list. ly, I've been feeling a little emotional about this entire situation of late and when I read this, I shed a few tears. Don't worry, there was a smile attached to them. I only hope I can live up to your high opinion. Thanks Darlin'... you're the best! Ron Re: A Crossroads of sorts? Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest. I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!! RobynnBBQ

Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

[Guest guest]

Well Ron...the thing is...you have a quality that is going to make you an ultimate success. Not just successful to get to the surgery...but successful in your whole journey. And here is what it is: despite the fact that you have a Herculean feat ahead of you (me who struggled to lose 27 lbs. prior to surgery), despite the fact that you are living with someone who is probably shrinking by the day...seemingly effortlessly...despite the fact that you suffered a set back, and wound up having to lose even more than you originally had to do...DESPITE ALL OF THAT, there is an unvanquishable optimism in you. There is a peom, that sadly, I can't remember verbatim...but it talks about being in the midst of a freezing, challenging winter, and realizing that there is an invincible summer within. That is the human spirit. And some people are always pessimistic. But you are different. I'm not

syaing that you don't have your moments of despair and doubt, if you didn't, I'd wonder whether you were human. But what is magic in you...the real strength, is that you are facing this challenge, and you are combatting your fears and your resistances to change and your rationalizing and your excuses...and you are just putting yourself out there. Darn it, I'm going to do what it takes. It's normal to have occasional set-backs. It's very very hard to retain constant focus on this goal. Obviously, the more consistently you are focused, the more success you'll have in your weightloss efforts upfront. But here's the thing, Ron...you are developing skills, coping skills, that will help you afterwards. You see Beth. you talk to her. Use her as often as you can to explore what got you to the place you are at today. I read many books (and did the workbooks) by Geneen Roth

("Overcoming compulsive overeating") and then there was another one called, "Love Hunger" by a different author. There is another book called "Boundaries" that I found to be very helpful. These are important self-explorations to take. Until you realize that your extra weight, while it is probably in part due to genetics...is also the result of serious overeating. And while it could be that you just love food...there is also an emotional component to it, I'll just bet you. A part of you that turns to food for nurturance. So, imagine when you don't have that teddy bear available to you anymore? you need to establish some system to help you cope with the emotional vacuums in your life. Whether you eat because you don't establish appropriate boundaries, and you let people walk all over you...and so you choke down anger and frustration by eating...or whether you are lonely and feel unloved and so you seek the solace and comfort of

food...or whether you have fear of close, intimate relationships for whatever reason, and so you use food as a "suit of armour" to protect yourself from the bows and arrows that come with the quest for love...whatever the reasons...you need to figure them out. And then you need to arm yourself. With self-love and acceptance. With tools to establish appropriate boundaries. With alternative means to constructively give yourself the love and nurturance you need. And you, my friend, have what it takes. I see it in you, that invincible summer. You are going to get there...and your life is going to change dramatically. You are going to learn about yourself, really dig down and get a handle on what makes you tick...what makes you self-destructive. I just can't wait. You are such a great and terrific soul...and I just can't wait until you get

there!!! RobynnBBQ Man wrote: Robynn... WOW. Of all the possible replies I could have imagined, this wasn't anywhere near the list. ly, I've been feeling a little emotional about this entire situation of late and when I read this, I shed a few tears. Don't worry, there was a smile attached to them. I only hope I can live up to your high opinion. Thanks Darlin'... you're the best! Ron Re: A Crossroads of sorts? Ron, you are a wonderful guy. I love your attitude, and I just wanted to get up on a chair and start clapping. I think seeing the psychologist is an excellent idea. She's great, and I think you'll get a lot out of it, particularly if you are open and honest. I am really proud of you and inspired by you. You are the greatest!! RobynnBBQ

Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

[Guest guest]

Don't give in, don't give up. We all have a thousand things to work

through. The point is that we get through it. I feel your pain, I

get that " you you you " stuff from them all the time. I want you to

know that you have been a great inspiration to me, and to stop the

journey now would be tragic. It is a shame you are not at SSF, where

Gity can get in your head. You should ask if they will let you talk

to her. She has an insight into people like us that I have never seen

before (and hope to never see again). You were the first person on

this site that I felt had a similar journey. I refuse to give up, and

I want you to finish it with me.

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me.

I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some

questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459.

That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real

yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds

to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no

longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to

have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very

strict about their guidelines and there would be no

" re-considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about

my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked about

seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next

week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so

hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now...

I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Don't give in, don't give up. We all have a thousand things to work

through. The point is that we get through it. I feel your pain, I

get that " you you you " stuff from them all the time. I want you to

know that you have been a great inspiration to me, and to stop the

journey now would be tragic. It is a shame you are not at SSF, where

Gity can get in your head. You should ask if they will let you talk

to her. She has an insight into people like us that I have never seen

before (and hope to never see again). You were the first person on

this site that I felt had a similar journey. I refuse to give up, and

I want you to finish it with me.

>

> Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know

about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event,

and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me.

I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some

questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459.

That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real

yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds

to go for my surgery date. That's my " carrot " .

>

> Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no

longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to

have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very

strict about their guidelines and there would be no

" re-considerations " . In fact, I should feel " lucky " that Dr. Baggs

agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people

over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being " nasty " or

condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about

my feelings of seeing so many others " pass me up " and asked about

seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next

week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so

hard to put that aside, although I keep trying.

>

> I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the

mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping

more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now...

I'll be chit chattin' more later.

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Ron You Yammer anytime you want to ! I think that your really showing courage and strength to ask on your own for help in dealing with your struggles, or maybe we should say challenges. I think it is great your getting to see someone and you already know her name ! I know you have a ways to go, and you have come so far and I know you can do this. Your open and honest with yourself and that counts for so much, so many people dont have that. I am not even sure at times if i have had or have that...........like Robynn I totally find you inspirational and inspiring.............If there is ever anything i can do to help you, just let me know ! I think we are going to have to have a party for you when you get your sugery ! ColleenBBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with

Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering

for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Ron You Yammer anytime you want to ! I think that your really showing courage and strength to ask on your own for help in dealing with your struggles, or maybe we should say challenges. I think it is great your getting to see someone and you already know her name ! I know you have a ways to go, and you have come so far and I know you can do this. Your open and honest with yourself and that counts for so much, so many people dont have that. I am not even sure at times if i have had or have that...........like Robynn I totally find you inspirational and inspiring.............If there is ever anything i can do to help you, just let me know ! I think we are going to have to have a party for you when you get your sugery ! ColleenBBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with

Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering

for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Hey Ron, Were here for ya Man! You doing all great steps to keeping focused (in my opinion). You know were here for ya! It is very hard to see people pass you by and getting thier surgery done. Hang in there Ron YOU CAN DO IT! Kisses and hugs, BBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's

been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and

maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

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Hey Ron, Were here for ya Man! You doing all great steps to keeping focused (in my opinion). You know were here for ya! It is very hard to see people pass you by and getting thier surgery done. Hang in there Ron YOU CAN DO IT! Kisses and hugs, BBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459. That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's

been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and

maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron

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Ron Good luck with your visit with Beth. We are all here for you and really want you to get to the 405 for your surgery and yes every pound counts. Keep your chin up and don't give up, I have faith in you, you can do this. Chit Chat to us and we will be here for you. Take care. DonnaBBQ Man wrote: Hello everyone. I just wanted to check in and let you all know about my visit to Richmond today. On one hand it was no big event, and on the other hand, it may have been a bit of a crossroads for me. I was there for a weight check, but decided I would start asking some questions. First things first though.... I weighed in at 459.

That's 3 pounds lighter than my January 12 check-in. It's been a real yo-yo month... but less is less, I guess. Just a mere 54 pounds to go for my surgery date. That's my "carrot". Anyway, I asked to see my case manager () and was told she's no longer with Kaiser... nice of them to tell me. But, I was able to have a short chat with Liz. She told me that the surgeons were very strict about their guidelines and there would be no "re-considerations". In fact, I should feel "lucky" that Dr. Baggs agreed to do surgery at 405, as they usually don't do it on people over 400 pounds. And by no means was she being "nasty" or condescending in what she told me. I talked to her briefly also about my feelings of seeing so many others "pass me up" and asked about seeing Beth (the

psychologist). So, I have an appt. to see her next week and maybe she can help me get past all this crap. It's just so hard to put that aside, although I keep trying. I'll let you know how things go after my chat with Beth. In the mean time, I'll be continuing my daily struggle in hopes of dropping more fat cells. Thanks for listening to my yammering for now... I'll be chit chattin' more later. Ron Donna JordonDSJordon@...

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