Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Hi everyone, I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some valuable info to share. My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting worse up until last summer. Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about trying it and began using it right away. Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was not just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this could just be coincidental. We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing up to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a great price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 if not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw benefits very quickly. GOD BLESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Thanks for the info..I ordered it today...Anything is worth a try in my book. I am out of options for seizure control. Thanks again and I will let you know! Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 What did your diagnosing doc say about this addition to your child's regime? Beth > > > Hi everyone, > > I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some > valuable info to share. > > My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two > years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific > genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at > about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- > Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements > definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting > worse up until last summer. > > Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A > researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium > Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, > based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about > trying it and began using it right away. > > Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained > ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he > stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his > hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of > sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we > notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. > > I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was not > just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial > disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this could > just be coincidental. > > We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing up > to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We > have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " > supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple > stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a great > price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill > which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a > day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) > > If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really > hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. > I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we > were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 if > not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months > to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw > benefits very quickly. > > GOD BLESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Anyone know the difference between Magnesium Orotate and Magnesium Gluconate? > >Reply-To: Mito >To: Mito >Subject: possible new treatment for mitochondrial disease >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:26:34 -0000 > > > >Hi everyone, > >I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some >valuable info to share. > >My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two >years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific >genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at >about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- >Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements >definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting >worse up until last summer. > >Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A >researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium >Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, >based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about >trying it and began using it right away. > >Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained >ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he >stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his >hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of >sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we >notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. > >I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was not >just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial >disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this could >just be coincidental. > >We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing up >to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We >have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " >supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple >stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a great >price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill >which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a >day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) > >If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really >hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. >I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we >were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 if >not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months >to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw >benefits very quickly. > >GOD BLESS! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 All I know is that they are two different forms of magnesium. ( I just looked on the web and found 15 different kinds of magnesium on one list.) It is the orotate form that appears to be most effective. (They are finding this is true for calcium orotate as well.) From what I have read, the orotate is the best transporter for getting magnesium right to the cell. > Anyone know the difference between Magnesium Orotate and Magnesium > Gluconate? > > >From: " craigsstory " <donnamichele@c...> > >Reply-To: Mito > >To: Mito > >Subject: possible new treatment for mitochondrial disease > >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:26:34 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some > >valuable info to share. > > > >My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two > >years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific > >genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at > >about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- > >Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements > >definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting > >worse up until last summer. > > > >Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A > >researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium > >Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, > >based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about > >trying it and began using it right away. > > > >Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained > >ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he > >stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his > >hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of > >sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we > >notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. > > > >I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was not > >just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial > >disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this could > >just be coincidental. > > > >We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing up > >to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We > >have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " > >supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple > >stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a great > >price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill > >which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a > >day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) > > > >If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really > >hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. > >I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we > >were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 if > >not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months > >to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw > >benefits very quickly. > > > >GOD BLESS! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 The Magnesium Gluconate provides rapid absorption of the magnesium into the bloodstream. The thought is that the gluconate (which breaks down into gluconic acid in the body) provides some assistance in the absorption of the magnesium. Magnesium Oratate breaks down into elemental magnesium and orotic acid in the body. There is a school of thought that the orotic acid itself provides additional health benefits (it is present in the body already). A few small studies have been done with the magnesium orotate supplement that show heart benefits. That is the short answer. As always, your mileage may vary, especially where there is already a metabolic issue. Check with your doctor or pharmacist. And when you get ready to buy a supplement, make sure you get one that does not have a lot of nasty fillers (look at inactive ingredients). We are fortunate to have a knowledgable health food store near us. Rod > Anyone know the difference between Magnesium Orotate and Magnesium > Gluconate? > > >From: " craigsstory " <donnamichele@c...> > >Reply-To: Mito > >To: Mito > >Subject: possible new treatment for mitochondrial disease > >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:26:34 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some > >valuable info to share. > > > >My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two > >years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific > >genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at > >about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- > >Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements > >definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting > >worse up until last summer. > > > >Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A > >researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium > >Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, > >based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about > >trying it and began using it right away. > > > >Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained > >ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he > >stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his > >hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of > >sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we > >notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. > > > >I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was not > >just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial > >disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this could > >just be coincidental. > > > >We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing up > >to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We > >have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " > >supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple > >stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a great > >price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill > >which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a > >day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) > > > >If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really > >hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. > >I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we > >were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 if > >not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months > >to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw > >benefits very quickly. > > > >GOD BLESS! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 http://www.delano.com/ReferenceArticles/Orotates-how-work-Sharpe.html How orotates work The biochemistry of `vitamin B13' by Ed Sharpe This article addresses two biochemical puzzles about the mineral orotates: how they get into cells and what they do once they're in. We begin with the fact that the orotate salts are electrically neutral and relatively stable against dissociation, properties that seem to be crucial for the ability of orotates to participate in intracellular mineral uptake and transport. Dissociation is the process that takes place when a salt is dissolved in a solvent such as water and breaks up into its component ions. Table salt dissolved in water, for example, dissociates into sodium and chloride ions. At physiological pH the orotate salts are much more stable than table salt and will not readily dissociate into free orotic acid plus a mineral ion. Free orotic acid (OA) itself is known to get into cells by simply leaking (diffusing) through cell membranes, rather than by being actively transported. But diffusion is a relatively inefficient process, which limits the amount of OA that can enter a cell. By contrast, uracil-a compound almost identical to OA, only minus the carboxylic acid group-is taken up efficiently by a transporter protein that binds to uracil molecules and drags them into the cell. 1 This transporter appears to be specific for uracil or similar molecules which are uncharged, but not for uracil's close cousin OA (which is negatively charged at body pH). Bind the orotic acid with a mineral, however, and you end up with a stable electrically neutral salt. This property is just what is needed for OA along with its bound mineral to be taken up directly by the uracil transporter. At the same time, neutralizing the charge on OA makes the resulting complex more lipophilic or " fat-loving " than free OA; as a result, the stable orotate complex would be expected to diffuse more easily through the lipid membranes of cells. Essentially just such a mechanism was proposed by Nieper for enhancing the diffusion of mineral ions across cell membranes. 2 Either way-via enhanced diffusion or active transport-complexing a mineral with orotate results in increased uptake of both components of the complex by cells. That's still not the whole story of orotate, however. Here and there in his papers, Nieper gives tantalizing clues about the role of the " pentose phosphate pathway " or PPP in mediating the effects of his mineral orotates. 2-4 The PPP is a well-known biochemical cycle which, among other vital functions, is responsible for synthesizing D- ribose 5-phosphate. D-ribose is of course the sugar which gets incorporated into nucleotides (a process known as ribosylation) and ultimately into RNA/DNA. Was Nieper attempting to signal a deep connection between the ribosylation of orotate and its activity as a mineral transporter? The answer is yes. To see what Dr. Nieper was hinting at, we need some additional background information on OA, also known as vitamin B13. Although orotic acid isn't officially considered a vitamin these days, over 40 years ago it was found to have growth-promoting, vitamin-like properties when added to the diets of laboratory animals. Subsequent nutritional studies in humans and animals revealed that OA has a " sparing " effect on vitamin B12, meaning that supplemental OA can partially compensate for B12 deficiency. 5, 6 OA also appears to have a direct effect on folate metabolism. 7 Many of the vitamin-like effects of OA are undoubtedly due to its role in RNA and DNA synthesis. (B12 and folate are also involved in DNA synthesis, but at a point downstream from where OA comes in.) Our bodies produce OA as an intermediate in the manufacture of the pyrimidine bases uracil, cytosine, and thymine. 8, 9 Together, these pyrimidines constitute half of the bases needed for RNA/DNA, the other half coming from the purine bases adenine and guanine which are synthesized independently of OA. The enzyme orotate phosphoribosyltransferase (OPRTase), which is found in organisms ranging from yeast to humans, is responsible for catalyzing the first step in the conversion of orotic acid into uridine. It does so by facilitating the attachment of a ribose plus phosphate group to OA. The net result is the formation of a molecule named OMP (orotidine 5'-monophosphate), which in turn is the immediate precursor to UMP (uridine 5'-monophosphate). Because the enzyme OPRTase requires magnesium ions for its activity, some researchers wondered whether a magnesium complex of orotic acid might be involved in binding orotate to the enzyme. 10 They found that the true substrate for OPRTase is not orotate itself but rather a magnesium orotate complex. The fact that the complex is electrically neutral compared to the negatively charged orotate ion means that the complex is more easily transportable to the active site of the enzyme. 10 These researchers suggested that the magnesium complex helps position orotate within the enzyme in the proper orientation for conversion to OMP. In the process the magnesium ion in the complex gets exchanged with the magnesium ion bound to the active site of the enzyme, the net result being that one magnesium ion is released. So far, so good. Following up on Nieper's hint, we see that orotate- and specifically magnesium orotate-can interact with the pentose phosphate pathway (PPP) to generate OMP and ultimately uridine. 2, 10 But Nieper also pointed out that the mineral-transport activity of the orotates does not necessarily have anything to do with the formation of RNA or DNA. To resolve this apparent contradiction, we must seek out an additional metabolic role for orotate independent of RNA/DNA synthesis In fact, not all the uridine formed from orotic acid does wind up in RNA or DNA. There are other vital roles for orotic acid and uridine in the body-for example, OA gets taken up by red blood cells where it is rapidly converted to UDP-glucose by way of OPRTase and other enzymes. Here UDP is the nucleotide uridine diphosphate. The red blood cells can then act as a storage and distribution pool for delivering glucose and uridine to tissues such as brain, heart, and skeletal muscle. 9 Because UDP-glucose is a precursor for glycogen (a storage form of glucose), the delivery of UDP-glucose to heart muscle and its conversion there to glycogen might account for some of the cardioprotective effects of orotic acid. 11, 12 Which brings us right back to Dr. Nieper's work. Based on the available scientific evidence, it seems clear that magnesium orotate can get channeled directly into OMP synthesis and ultimately into UDP-glucose, which can then resupply a heart under stress with carbohydrates and nucleotides. Thus a mechanism exists for explaining why magnesium orotate works even better than orotic acid for heart conditions. 11-13 In contrast, some of the mineral orotates such as copper and nickel either inhibit OPRTase or, in the case of calcium orotate, neither activate nor inhibit the enzyme. 10 This suggests that the body preferentially uses magnesium orotate for promoting uridine synthesis. In a sense, complexing OA with magnesium magnifies the " vitamin-like " properties of vitamin B13. Another effect of magnesium orotate is to inhibit the development of atherosclerosis when administered orally to humans 14 or experimental animals. 15 The animal study in particular tells us that magnesium orotate performs better than orotic acid, which in turn outperforms magnesium chloride, in inhibiting atherosclerotic changes caused by high levels of cholesterol in the diet. 15 In other words, a synergy exists between magnesium and orotic acid such that the complex they form-magnesium orotate-is more potent than either one alone. Dr. Nieper explained this effect by suggesting that when OA in the magnesium orotate complex is coupled with ribose (ribosylated) in the walls of blood vessels, the magnesium ion is liberated during this process and becomes locally available for activating cholesterol- metabolizing enzymes. 3 The increase in potency of magnesium in going from a chloride salt to an orotate salt is notable and certainly consistent with Nieper's ideas about orotate as a mineral transporter. But notice that orotic acid also increases in potency in going from free OA to its magnesium complex, an enhancement consistent with the idea that magnesium orotate gets preferentially directed toward uridine synthesis by OPRTase. It is just this combination of properties-enhanced transport of magnesium, itself known 16 for its anti-atherosclerotic and anti- cholesterol effects, and enhanced synthesis of uridine from orotic acid 9, 10-that makes magnesium orotate so helpful for treating cardiovascular disorders. By contrast, the very similar compound calcium orotate has none of the effectiveness of magnesium orotate in lowering serum cholesterol, although it does have other characteristics beneficial for treating arterial disease. 2 The difference in activity between magnesium and calcium orotate can best be explained by the specific effects of magnesium in activating cholesterol turnover 2 as well as by the specificity of magnesium orotate-but not calcium orotate-for activating OPRTase. 10 As the preceding example shows, the various mineral orotates are likely to be targeted to distinct metabolic pathways in specific tissues. Another example is provided by an experiment involving lithium metabolism in the brain. 17 Lithium is well known for its ability to moderate manic-depressive illness. In an experiment to evaluate lithium-induced changes in brain metabolism, rats were injected with a solution of lithium chloride daily for two weeks. One hour after the last lithium treatment all rats received an injection of radiolabeled orotic acid into the cerebral ventricles. At various intervals thereafter RNA was extracted from rat brains, separated into fractions, and analyzed for radioactivity. The results showed that lithium increases RNA turnover markedly in brain (but not in other tissues such as liver). The authors suggested that lithium acts at the membrane level and that the effects on RNA metabolism are due to changes in the transport of radiolabeled orotic acid-an explanation entirely consistent with Nieper's idea that lithium combines with OA to yield a transportable complex. In summary, the evidence tends to support Nieper's criteria for orotate as an electrolyte carrier, namely, (1) a low dissociation constant, (2) an affinity for specific cellular systems or organs, and (3) a metabolic pathway which liberates the transported mineral within the targeted organ or system. 18 References [1] Wohlhueter RM, McIvor RS, Plagemann PG. Facilitated transport of uracil and 5-fluorouracil, and permeation of orotic acid into cultured mammalian cells. J Cell Physiol. 1980;104(3):309-19. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=7419607 & dopt=Abstract>] [2] Nieper HA. The anti-inflammatory and immune-inhibiting effects of calcium orotate on bradytrophic tissues. Agressologie. 1969;10(4):349- 57. Available as article #CM14 from the A. Brewer International Science Library at or on the Web <http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/msarchiv.htm>. [3] Nieper HA. The clinical applications of lithium orotate. A two years study. 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Effects of orotic acid on dihydrofolate dehydrogenase and on tetrahydrofolate-dependent enzymes in the chick liver. Biochim Biophys Acta. 1968;158(3):482-4. [8] O'Sullivan WJ. Orotic acid. Aust N Z J Med. 1973;3(4):417-22. [9] Connolly GP, Duley JA. Uridine and its nucleotides: biological actions, therapeutic potentials. Trends Pharmacol Sci. 1999;20(5):218- 25. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=10354618 & dopt=Abstract>] [10] Dodin G, Lalart D, Dubois JE. Role of magnesium cations in the yeast orotate phosphoribosyltransferase catalyzed reaction. Mechanism of the inhibition by Cu++ and Ni++ ions. J Inorg Biochem. 1982;16 (3):201-13. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=7050303 & dopt=Abstract>] [11] Donohoe JA, Rosenfeldt FL, Munsch CM, JF. The effect of orotic acid treatment on the energy and carbohydrate metabolism of the hypertrophying rat heart. Int J Biochem. 1993;25(2):163-82. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=8444313 & dopt=Abstract>] [12] Ferdinandy P, Fazekas T, Kadar E. Effects of orotic acid on ischaemic/reperfused myocardial function and glycogen content in isolated working rat hearts. Pharmacol Res. 1998;37(2):111-4. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9572065 & dopt=Abstract>] [13] Rosenfeldt FL. Metabolic supplementation with orotic acid and magnesium orotate. Cardiovasc Drugs Ther. 1998;12(Suppl 2):147-52. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9794088 & dopt=Abstract>] [14] Villanyi P, Votin J, Rahlfs V. Arteriosclerosis, myocardial infarct and blood lipids, their therapeutic modification by magnesium orotate [in German]. Wien Med Wochenschr. 1970;120(5):76-83. [15] Jellinek H, Takacs E. Morphological aspects of the effects of orotic acid and magnesium orotate on hypercholesterolaemia in rabbits. Arzneimittelforschung. 1995;45(8):836-42. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=7575742 & dopt=Abstract>] [16] Ouchi Y, Tabata RE, Stergiopoulos K, Sato F, Hattori A, Orimo H. Effect of dietary magnesium on development of atherosclerosis in cholesterol-fed rabbits. Arteriosclerosis. 1990;10(5):732-7. [Abstract <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=2403301 & dopt=Abstract>] [17] Dewar AJ, Reading HW. Effect of lithium administration on RNA metabolism in rat brain. Psychol Med. 1971;1(3):254-9. [18] Nieper HA. Recalcification of bone metastases by calcium diorotate. Agressologie. 1970;11(6):495-502. Available as article #CA21 from the A. Brewer International Science Library at (608) 647-6513 or on the Web <http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/cancer.htm>. Rom J Intern Med. 1999 Jul-Sep;37(3):287-96.Related Articles, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=15532307> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu15532307);> Assessment of treatment with orotate magnesium in early postoperative period of patients with cardiac insufficiency and coronary artery by- pass grafts (ATOMIC). Branea I, Gaita D, Dragulescu I, Socoteanu I, Luca C, Mancas S, Dragan S, Iurciuc M, Velimirovici D, Gaspar M, Fluture A, Ionac A, Deutsch P, Pescariu S, Petrescu L, Branea H, Mut B, Dina C, Crasnic M, Sarau CA. Clinic of Cardiac Rehabilitation, Institute of Cardiology Timisoara. The benefit of the treatment with magnesium orotate (magnerot) was assessed in a randomised, single blind and placebo controlled study. Respecting the inclusion criteria were selected 32 patients with ischemia chronic failure in early postoperative period after CABG. The main improvements induced by magnesium orotate are the increase in exercise capacity (distance ambulated during 6 minutes walk test and ergospirometric parameters) and the reduction of ventricular premature beats. The treatment was well tolerated and the adverse reactions were not significant. The study strongly suggests the benefit of magnesium orotate added to classical antiischemic therapy in the complex management of coronary patients after CABG. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 15532307 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Rom J Intern Med. 1999 Jan-Mar;37(1):91-7.Related Articles, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=15523949> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu15523949);> Magnesium orotate in myocardial and neuronal protection. Zeana C. Department of Internal Medicine, Floreasca Emergency Hospital 8, Calea Floreasca, 71406 Bucharest, Romania. The nervous tissue and the myocardium have in common many denominators, such as: the inability to renew to substitute the severely damaged or dead cells, the role of the membrane electric activity, the presence of similar systems for antioxidation protection, which are obviously involved in pathologic events a.s.o. Aggressive factors mainly act by free radicals injury and increase in cytosolic calcium level. Magnesium orotate molecule includes two synergic protective components: orotic acid and magnesium. Moreover, the orotic acid behaves as a transporter, carrying magnesium into the cells. The antioxidation protective effect of the orotic acid is mainly due to the pirimidinic bases that favor and increased synthesis of enzymes which act as free radical scavengers. The cell antioxidation protective system is dramatically impaired following heavy aggressions such as the ischemia-reperfusion process. Magnesium orotate improves the survival of cells situated within the perinecrotic areas as well as of the cells secondarily damaged during the so-called " second wind " . Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 15523949 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Cardiovasc Drugs Ther. 1998 Sep;12 Suppl 2:153-6.Related Articles, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=9794089> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu9794089);> </entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi? PrId=3082 & uid=9794089 & db=pubmed & url=http://www.kluweronline.com/art.pd f?issn=0920-3206 & volume=12%20Suppl%202 & page=153> </entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi? PrId=3082 & uid=9794089 & db=pubmed & url=http://www.kluweronline.com/art.pd f?issn=0920-3206 & volume=12%20Suppl%202 & page=153> Effects of magnesium orotate on exercise tolerance in patients with coronary heart disease. Geiss KR, Stergiou N, Jester, Neuenfeld HU, Jester HG. ISME (Private Research Institute for Sports, Medicine & Nutrition), Moerfelden, Germany. In a pilot study at 14 patients with coronary heart disease (CHD) and left-ventricular dysfunction (left ventricular enddiastolic volume [LVEDV] > or = 100 ml), who actively participated in an ambulatory cardiac sports group, left ventricular endsystolic volume (LVESV), LVEDV and duration of exercise were analyzed by echocardiographic and ergometric tests. An initial workup was followed by a 4 week double blind treatment phase, in which magnesium orotate 3 x 1 g or placebo was given additionally to medication taken prior to the study. At the end of this phase a concluding workup was performed. Magnesium orotate decreased significantly (p = 0.016) LVESV, increased significantly (p = 0.035) EF, decreased in tendency (p = 0.054) LVEDV and increased significantly (p = 0.011) exercise duration. The study gives references to favourable effects of oral magnesium orotate to left ventricular function and exercise tolerance in patients with CHD. Publication Types: Clinical Trial PMID: 9794089 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Cardiovasc Drugs Ther. 1998 Sep;12 Suppl 2:147-52.Related Articles, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=9794088> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu9794088);> </entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi? PrId=3082 & uid=9794088 & db=pubmed & url=http://www.kluweronline.com/art.pd f?issn=0920-3206 & volume=12%20Suppl%202 & page=147> </entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi? PrId=3082 & uid=9794088 & db=pubmed & url=http://www.kluweronline.com/art.pd f?issn=0920-3206 & volume=12%20Suppl%202 & page=147> Metabolic supplementation with orotic acid and magnesium orotate. Rosenfeldt FL. Orotic acid (OA), a naturally occurring substance, is a key intermediate in the biosynthetic pathway of pyrimidines. Previous investigations in the heart suggest that orotate can protect recently infarcted hearts against a further ischemic stress and may be beneficial in certain types of experimental cardiomyopathy. At the Hamburg symposium on magnesium orotate, a number of studies of this form of metabolic supplementation were presented that indicate orotic acid and its magnesium salt have a modest beneficial effect on the myocardium under conditions of stress ranging from myocardial infarction to severe physical exercise. The following conclusions can be drawn: (1) Orotic acid can improve the energy status of the recently infarcted myocardium (rat hearts). (2) Orotic acid may improve myocardial purine and pyrimidine levels by stimulating hepatic release of uridine into the bloodstream, which in turn augments depleted myocardial pyrimidines and purines (rat heart). (3) Orotic acid improves the tolerance of the recently infarcted heart to global ischemia (rats). (4) Magnesium orotate may reduce the severity of chronic myocardial dysfunction and structural damage in cardiomyopathy (cardiomyopathic hamsters). (5) Magnesium orotate may improve exercise tolerance in patients with coronary artery disease and in trained athletes (humans). (6) Magnesium orotate has only a weak inotropic effect, if any, on normal hearts (rats). (7) Further clinical testing is indicated to determine if the effects described could be of significant clinical benefit in the treatment of heart disease. Publication Types: Congresses Editorial Arzneimittelforschung. 2000 Dec;50(12):1071-7. [Course of the progression of experimentally induced arteriosclerotic vessel wall changes after treatment with magnesium orotate] . [Article in German] Jellinek H, Takacs E. Nationalinstitut fur Pathologie, Budapest, Ungarn. There are some experimental and clinical results regarding blood vessel protective properties of magnesium orotate (CAS 27067-77-2) till now. The goal of the present investigation was to verify the therapeutical efficacy of magnesium orotate vs. its singular components in cholesterol fed rabbits. Besides, the blood-lipid concentrations (LDL as risk factor for atherosclerosis and HDL as negative risk factor) were analyzed in relation to pathomorphological changes in the aortic blood vessel wall. The results of our experiments in New Zealand rabbits support the assumption that orotic acid and especially magnesium orotate influence the lipid level and/or the LDL/HDL-quotient in a favorable way and that they decrease the interaction between monocytes/macrophages and the endothelium of the blood vessels. Consequently, the plaque formation will be decreased in a clinically relevant manner. PMID: 11190771 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.Related Articles, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=11076423> Links <javascript:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu11076423);> [New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral valve prolapse] [Article in Russian] Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI. AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84 patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate (daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring, spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales, measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good objective and subjective response to magnerot 6- month therapy (3000 mg/day) is demonstrated. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11076423 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] In Mito , " scrod98 " <scrod98@y...> wrote: > > The Magnesium Gluconate provides rapid absorption of the magnesium > into the bloodstream. The thought is that the gluconate (which > breaks down into gluconic acid in the body) provides some assistance > in the absorption of the magnesium. > > Magnesium Oratate breaks down into elemental magnesium and orotic > acid in the body. There is a school of thought that the orotic acid > itself provides additional health benefits (it is present in the body > already). A few small studies have been done with the magnesium > orotate supplement that show heart benefits. > > That is the short answer. As always, your mileage may vary, > especially where there is already a metabolic issue. Check with your > doctor or pharmacist. And when you get ready to buy a supplement, > make sure you get one that does not have a lot of nasty fillers (look > at inactive ingredients). We are fortunate to have a knowledgable > health food store near us. > > Rod > > > Anyone know the difference between Magnesium Orotate and Magnesium > > Gluconate? > > > > >From: " craigsstory " <donnamichele@c...> > > >Reply-To: Mito > > >To: Mito > > >Subject: possible new treatment for mitochondrial disease > > >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:26:34 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi everyone, > > > > > >I am brand new to the group. I wanted to join because I have some > > >valuable info to share. > > > > > >My son Craig was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease about two > > >years ago when he was six years old. We don't know the specific > > >genetic defect. Craig started going downhill neurologically at > > >about two years old. Since the time of diagnosis he has been on CO- > > >Q10, Riboflavin, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Carnitor. The supplements > > >definitely helped slow down the disease, but he was still getting > > >worse up until last summer. > > > > > >Last August we attended the UMDF conference in Pittsburgh. A > > >researcher from Australia spoke about a supplement called Magnesium > > >Orotate he believed would be beneficial for mitochondrial patients, > > >based on his research. My husband and I asked him how to go about > > >trying it and began using it right away. > > > > > >Since Craig started on Magnesium Orotate he has steadily gained > > >ground and in now quite stable. He is not nearly as ataxic, he > > >stopped having seizures and is off of seizure meds completely, his > > >hands stopped tremoring, and he's doing so well in school. Lack of > > >sleep or food no longer affect him very much. The only time we > > >notice regression is when he is fighting off an illness. > > > > > >I hesitated to share this for awhile wanting to make sure it was > not > > >just one of those fluctuations that come and go with mitochondrial > > >disease, but it's hard to believe after seven months that this > could > > >just be coincidental. > > > > > >We were told to try 200 mg. of Magnesium Orotate a day increasing > up > > >to 400mg. if needed. (Craig is 8 years old and about 60lbs.) We > > >have only found once company that makes it. It is the " Kal " > > >supplement brand. It is difficult to find locally, only a couple > > >stores carry it, but we found it online at evitamins.com for a > great > > >price($6.79 for a bottle of 60 200mg. tablets). It's a big pill > > >which we crush with a mortar and pestle and mix into pudding once a > > >day. (Craig takes two pills at a time to equal 400mg.) > > > > > >If you try this, please let me know by email if it helps. I really > > >hope to share the miracle we have experienced over the past months. > > >I would like to know, also, if it is not beneficial. I think we > > >were told to give it 2 weeks at the 200 mg. dose, increase to 400 > if > > >not enough is happening, and then stay at that for a couple months > > >to see if it helps. I really can't remember exactly. We saw > > >benefits very quickly. > > > > > >GOD BLESS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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