Re: For those of you who are dairy free....

[Guest guest]

This is scary and warrants true medical opinion. We only had lots of

pee with dairy reintro via cheese but gluten was introduced on the

same day. Today I made an omlette in goats butter. Mistake. Diarrhea,

stretoreah (sp). I thought goars butter was allowed. He only had two

pices.

Not sure what this all is.

>

> My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any

other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that

time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day

and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital

being dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once

hydrated they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak

and not eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had

hives over the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products

or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back

negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds very much like yeast die off. I'm not well versed in dairy removal

causing something like that, but I'm guessing that's the case. Yeast die off

causes vomitting, headaches, rashes and lethargy. It's something to consider.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Barbara Eccleston " <Breccleston@...>

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she has

been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or twice a

week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea

once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie

one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated they let her

go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not eating much at all. Her

bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last few days. Could this be

from the dairy products or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and

it came back negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's diet

in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

" Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk allergy

in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly lower

than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—confirming

that this measure is being applied excessively. "

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-1470.2007.00323.x

And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm glad

that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff like

this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us have enough to

worry about without the added pressures of special diets!

I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

To the new members

once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless they

have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the same

time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well almost all

saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy Grahams while he

was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because dehydration

is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children throw

up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better they

can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow restrictive

diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off " and

other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible source

either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die off "

signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible source

please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

last night)

" Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast die-

off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding. It

is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic overload.

More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When properly

undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not lead

to yeast die-off reactions. "

http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

this is Valentine's Day!)

Archive I wrote in 2002

" I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet saved

my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem fair

I had to go without.

It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange reason -

perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they believe

would help their child.

My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back then

they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

an illness.

This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

share that message. "

=====

[Guest guest]

Have you taken her to the pediatrician? I know you said they ran

blood work in the hospital, but it sounds to me like it might be

viral (even withouth the fever). You should definately get a true

medical opinion from your pediatrician.

Kate

> >

> > My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I

try

> to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't

with

> you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2

1/2

> weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any

> other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that

> time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day

> and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

> vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the

hospital

> being dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once

> hydrated they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still

weak

> and not eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had

> hives over the last few days. Could this be from the dairy

products

> or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came

back

> negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

> this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

> >

> > Barbara

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I will read up on that and ask her dr about it. Thank you for taking time to

chime in !

Barbara

Re: [ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

That sounds very much like yeast die off. I'm not well versed in dairy removal

causing something like that, but I'm guessing that's the case. Yeast die off

causes vomitting, headaches, rashes and lethargy. It's something to consider.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Barbara Eccleston " <Breccleston@...>

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she has

been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or twice a

week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea

once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie

one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated they let her

go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not eating much at all. Her

bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last few days. Could this be

from the dairy products or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and

it came back negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

The epsom salts sounds like a great non invasive thing to try...sounds luxurious

too! We are eating cleaning and cleaner every day. The nutritionist from the

hospital mentioned that the best foods are the ones on the outer ring of the

grocery store...I thought that was pretty clever! She said to do 80% of your

shopping there, that they are the whole foods and the best for everyone. I am

not ready to eliminate gluten until she tests positive for celiac. I am worried

that if I do and they want to do a more extensive test for it other than blood

that she will have a false negative. I will wait the 2 weeks and keep her

eating it for now hopefully that makes sense.

She has been tested twice, but both times it was after one of these runs of

vomiting so really she might not have had much in her system to be reacting too.

Thank you for taking time to answer, I'm off to give her some benadryl to stop

these hives from driving her crazy!!!!

[sPAM][ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she has

been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or twice a

week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea

once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie

one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated they let her

go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not eating much at all. Her

bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last few days. Could this be

from the dairy products or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and

it came back negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

That almost sounds like food poisening.... This is what I have learned about

dairy intolerences with regards to Mark. If he has dairy continuously like he

did when he was little, the dyspraxia is really, really bad. He has really poor

balance, speech articulation issues.... everything but there are no problems

with his digestive system (surprisingly). All of the issues are neurological.

This is because her system is on high allergy (intolerance) alert and her

histimine levels are high and are fighting.

Once the food intolerance item leaves the childs system, the T cells relax

(think that is what they are called) and the histimine levels go down. The

childs system begins to normalize and the neurological issues begin to fade.

Add back the milk products and BAM.... the child's system is caught in 'relaxed'

mode and the body reacts negatively to it. Now, Marks symptoms of food

intolerance are not so 'violent'. He doesn't throw up but he certainly gets

extremely woozey and he has horrific diarrhea or constipation. It is generally

diarrhea with milk and constipation with products like MSG or food dyes. He

also begins to lose his hearing.

Note that it can take as long as 3 days for the milk to leave her system and for

her body to normalize itself.

Like I once indicated before, people who do the milk elimination for a

substantial period and then reintroduce it usually get violent results. It is

generally enough to scare them off of milk for a good long time! It is one

reason why individuals get soooo heated when they speak of milk. Only with a

long term milk elimination do you see that your child simply cannot tolerate it

and that it is poisen to their system. We have repaired Mark's gut enough for

him to eat cheese now but he is really not interested.

Have you ever tried the digestive enzymes? They are a godsend for us and Mark

eats them with every single meal. In this way, if you get trace amounts of

casien, your daughter will not suffer for the enzymes will assist in digesting

the food.

Have you possibly done anything else that might have caused this reaction? Have

you cut down on sugars thus getting some yeast withdrawal? Or have you

eliminated any of the artificials and/or unsuspectingly brought them back with

negative results? We cannot tolerate MSG and if Mark has it for extended

periods, he simply begins to fade. Most store bought soups are LOADED with MSG.

Have you been giving any of these types of items to your girl?

Barbara, I would suggest going with as clean a diet as possible until your

daughter feels better. This means: no dairy, no gluten (or limited gluten),

organic fruits, organic vegetables and try not to give her any starches (rice,

potatoes, pasta) until she feels better and is her old self. This always seems

to do the trick for Mark when he feels like garbage for whatever reason.

Whatever you do..... No MSG!!! It is an excitotoxin and does not allow the body

to repair itself. (affects methlyation) This includes all of the diet

sweeteners like aspratame..... these are neuro-toxins.

In addition, you could try giving her an Epsom Salts bath. Add about a cup of

Epsom Salts to a nice bath and have her sit in it for about 15 minutes. Don't

let her drink it or she will get diarrhea. When I suspect a food intolerance,

I now just liberally pour that Epsom Salts in the bath. Mark usually feels

pretty good afterwards. This is my absolute detox cure that I learned on an

Autism Webcast. It really works if your child's issues are food related.

I hope this helps. Please keep us posted on how your daughter is doing.

Take care,

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she has

been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or twice a

week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced diarrhea

once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie

one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated they let her

go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not eating much at all. Her

bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last few days. Could this be

from the dairy products or something else? She has had a celiac panel done and

it came back negative. I am so worried about her! Does your child react like

this to dairy after being off of it for a time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Well, for me the diet is indicated by an MD and the child only

stopped eating on the old diet and never ever for days. I share some

of those flu/etc. concerns with you as well. I am now wondering if I

simply undercooked the egg or it was the goats milk, for the record

and the kid is eating like a pig. Thanks for the yest toxicity

article. Very informative.

>

> Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's diet

> in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

>

> " Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk allergy

> in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly lower

> than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—confirming

> that this measure is being applied excessively. "

> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-

1470.2007.00323.x

>

> And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

> you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

> after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm glad

> that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff

like

> this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us

have enough to worry about without the added pressures of special

diets!

>

> I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

>

> To the new members

> once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless they

> have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

>

> And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the

same

> time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well almost

all

> saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy

Grahams while he

> was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

> should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

>

> Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

>

> I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

> have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because dehydration

> is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

> medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children throw

> up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better they

> can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow

restrictive

> diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off " and

> other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible source

> either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die off "

> signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible source

> please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

> last night)

>

> " Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast die-

> off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding. It

> is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

> numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic overload.

> More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

> with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

> system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

> happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When

properly

> undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not

lead

> to yeast die-off reactions. "

> http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

>

> And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

> this is Valentine's Day!)

>

> Archive I wrote in 2002

>

>

> " I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

> though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

> memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet saved

> my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem fair

> I had to go without.

>

> It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

> child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange

reason -

> perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

> would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they believe

> would help their child.

>

> My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

> that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

> me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

> bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back then

> they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

> appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

> feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

>

> A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

> dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

> irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

> I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

> diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

> here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

> an illness.

>

> This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

> reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

> extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

> seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

> share that message. "

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Is this how epsom works? I thought it was contraindicated bc of the

whole dehydration thing. Don't know.

>

> The epsom salts sounds like a great non invasive thing to

try...sounds luxurious too! We are eating cleaning and cleaner every

day. The nutritionist from the hospital mentioned that the best

foods are the ones on the outer ring of the grocery store...I thought

that was pretty clever! She said to do 80% of your shopping there,

that they are the whole foods and the best for everyone. I am not

ready to eliminate gluten until she tests positive for celiac. I am

worried that if I do and they want to do a more extensive test for it

other than blood that she will have a false negative. I will wait

the 2 weeks and keep her eating it for now hopefully that makes

sense.

> She has been tested twice, but both times it was after one of these

runs of vomiting so really she might not have had much in her system

to be reacting too. Thank you for taking time to answer, I'm off to

give her some benadryl to stop these hives from driving her crazy!!!!

> [sPAM][ ] For those of you who are

dairy free....

>

> My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any other

symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that time.

last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and a

cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started vomiting

Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated

they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over

the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something

else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I am

so worried about her! Does your child react like this to dairy after

being off of it for a time?

>

> Barbara

>

>

[Guest guest]

She is allergic to something. You may want to have an IGG done.

[ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she

has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or

twice a week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced

diarrhea once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she

had a brownie one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next.

She started vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the

hospital being dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once

hydrated they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last

few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something else? She has

had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I am so worried about

her! Does your child react like this to dairy after being off of it for a

time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Barbara. Liz also showed me charchol/zinc soap at whole foods. Umm love it!!

I even am addicted to it. We also use vegetable base soap at whole foods. My

boy and baby are so smooth and it is easier on their systems.

Re: [ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

The epsom salts sounds like a great non invasive thing to try...sounds

luxurious too! We are eating cleaning and cleaner every day. The

nutritionist from the hospital mentioned that the best foods are the ones on

the outer ring of the grocery store...I thought that was pretty clever! She

said to do 80% of your shopping there, that they are the whole foods and the

best for everyone. I am not ready to eliminate gluten until she tests

positive for celiac. I am worried that if I do and they want to do a more

extensive test for it other than blood that she will have a false negative.

I will wait the 2 weeks and keep her eating it for now hopefully that makes

sense.

She has been tested twice, but both times it was after one of these runs of

vomiting so really she might not have had much in her system to be reacting

too. Thank you for taking time to answer, I'm off to give her some benadryl

to stop these hives from driving her crazy!!!!

[sPAM][ ] For those of you who are dairy free....

My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try to be very

strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with you...anyway she

has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2 weeks. Probably once or

twice a week, but with no fever, or any other symptom. She also experienced

diarrhea once or twice in that time. last week we had a major slip and she

had a brownie one day and a cookie with white chocolate and butter the next.

She started vomiting Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the

hospital being dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once

hydrated they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over the last

few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something else? She has

had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I am so worried about

her! Does your child react like this to dairy after being off of it for a

time?

Barbara

[Guest guest]

As per several requests on this board, the subject title was clear as a

bell -- " For those of you who are dairy free... " . , since you

advocate raw milk (which I have not been able to locate near me yet for

my three remaining milk drinkers), you are not dairy free. Why bother

with this thread? You know it's going to tick you off! How can we

protect you from this angst? Perhaps " , Do Not Read " should be in

all dairy free posts. We wouldn't want to ruin your St. 's Day

next time -- that's important holiday in our house since he is our

's patron saint. (Off Topic: " The Last Snake in Ireland " is a

great picture book for that holiday that has St. in it, but

isn't religious, and I have a great, easy craft to go with it if you

are a room parent searching for ideas.)

in NJ

[Guest guest]

We have some experience with yeast die-off with and with my

niece (who can have very strong reactions to even small changes in

diet and supplements). That does not sound like die-off to me. Its

so extreme, and also long-lasting. Unless you are on a powerful drug

or supplement to kill yeast, you would not have that kind of die-off

from dairy elimination, especially since you had two known

infractions. I can't believe the doctors can't help you come with

something -- it sounds like an illness, allergy, food poisoning, or

something else in that serious medical category.

For us, yeast die-off produces more crying and sensitive feelings,

and loose stool. Others get tantrums and other behaviorial

reactions. Rarely, people do suffer the symptoms described

below, but again, I don't think they would last this long. If it is

die-off, taking activated charcoal about 45 minutes after treatment

helps absorb the toxins, and epsom salts (mentioned elsewhere) can

help the body eliminate toxins. (We do these on a regular basis, but

I don't see any visible effect. My niece, on the other hand, must

have one every day, and sometimes my sister can actually see detox

evidence in the tub!)

Please, please post when you figure out what is going on. We can all

learn from your terrible experience. We will pray for it to be over

soon.

in NJ

>

> That sounds very much like yeast die off. I'm not well versed in

dairy removal causing something like that, but I'm guessing that's

the case. Yeast die off causes vomitting, headaches, rashes and

lethargy. It's something to consider.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Barbara Eccleston " <Breccleston@...>

> My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any other

symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that time.

last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and a

cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started vomiting

Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated

they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over

the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something

else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I am

so worried about her! Does your child react like this to dairy after

being off of it for a time?

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My 3 of 4 kids have dairy issues. our problem isn't the lactose it is

the casin. We had a very difficult time evening finding the problem

as Milk is one of the few things that you " never " run out of.

We embarked on the dairy free diet as it was recommended by a leading

ped at a university teaching hospital for my youngest who had severe

excema.

I didn't realize it would affect his 2 older brothers to the extent

that it did.

Later after having the boys off of dairy for a couple of weeks, I

realized that I still had a half gallon of whole milk from the milk

man. I poured my oldest son a glass of milk (8-10 oz) and he drank

it, then he wanted a second glass so I gave it to him. This amount was

nothing compared to what he was previously used to drinking.

He got all woozy, fell off of his chair, then passed out on the floor.

I carried him to bed where I watched him, his breathing was even and

restful. He slept 15 hours!!! When he woke up, his speech,

cooperation etc was horrible!

This was the experience that " sealed the deal " for that kid to be

dairy free.

Since I needed a dr's note for school, I went to a GI and got my

oldest son tested for milk allergy and it came back postiive. When he

was 2 he was also tested and it came back negative.

Our Allergist had previously said that elimination diet is the only

way to " truly " know if there is a problem and to do food challenges

until you are sure of your results while using a food diary.

The younger 2 both tested neg but I will have them retested when they

are closer to 5 as well. As both of their symptoms are worse than my

oldest son's.

OK now as to your daughter....

It could be the noro virus. My Hubby got it last Christmas and lost

25 pounds (which he didn't have to lose) He didn't eat for 3 weeks.

Purified water wouldn't stay in. He still hasn't gained the weight

back,but I have for him ;(

In our experience when we have flubups with dairy, the boys have

yellow diarreah (which usually smells of whatever the offending food

was - like Culvers), the middle child has excessive drool, and I have

behavior issues up the wazoo from them all. (aggression, bitting,

etc.) which clear up when milk has been successfully eliminated.

NOT all of my children are on the vit e/Fish oil so I know these are

" True " results. The middle child went from 2 days a week at speech

therapy + a dr visit 1x week AND and ER visit 1x month for upper

respiratory distress to NONE except well baby visits and 1x week

speech, when we are diligent about removing milk. I wouldn't wish

anyone the experience of seeing their child's lips turn blue from lack

of oxygen. But that is another story!

>

> My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any other

symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that time.

last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and a

cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started vomiting

Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated

they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over

the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something

else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I

am so worried about her! Does your child react like this to dairy

after being off of it for a time?

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It appears that your daughter is getting something else that isn't

agreeing with her, not just the dairy. Ok, possibly the dairy.

Since she has been throwing up on occasion for a couple of weeks with

diarrhea...*something* other that dairy is causing this.

It could be that the dairy infraction, along with whatever else is

causing the other symptoms " pushed her over the edge " .

It could be anything...you'll have to be a detective to determine

what else is bothering her system. If it were me, since the dairy

stuff appeared to be the final trigger, I would keep her off dairy

and look at her entire diet. If there is something she is eating

every day, or craves, I would try to eliminate it for a period of

days and slowly and carefully reintroduce it. Watch her like a hawk

to notice any reactions.

2 of my children are dairy free and infraction symptoms can include

red face/ears, immediate runny nose, bloated tummy, gas, diarrhea,

shiners under eyes, tiny red broken blood vessels on face, disrupted

sleep patterns and overall grumpiness. Most of these are in

combination, not all together. Each kid reacts differently.

Hydration is a major issue - try popsicles (whole foods has some

organic ones) ginger ale, pedialyte pops, 7-up, ect.

Good luck!

Stephanee

-------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Barbara Eccleston " <Breccleston@...>

> My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any other

symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that time.

last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and a

cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started vomiting

Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated

they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over

the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or something

else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I am

so worried about her! Does your child react like this to dairy after

being off of it for a time?

>

> Barbara

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janice - thank you for your response. I wouldn't change a word.

(except that my child isn't an E responder).

- excellent as well.

Warm thoughts to you both (and the list as well!)

Stephanee

>

> Janice

> I got goosebumps reading your message to - I get those when I

> listen to music that really touches me! Your note is such a mature,

> well-stated, neutral, not defensive, complete work of art which says

it

> all. I hope she reflects on her continued positioning and sees how

it

> is " unfair " because it is. I was going to reply to her before I saw

> your note which perfectly expresses what " those of you who are Dairy

> Free " feel/believe.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you so much for a well thought out post on this issue. You

have certainly made me think very hard about food allergies. Also,

you've pretty much hit the nail on the head with what I was saying

before about living a healthy lifestyle. I guess what was really

freaking me out was all of the talk about replacing the food items

removed from the diet with so called " xxx-free " packaged foods. I

have spent a lot of time reading lables, and have always noticed that

when you buy something that is " sugar-free " " gluten-free " " fat-free "

and all the others, there is usually a whole list of chemicals

replacing the flavor that those ingredients to to enhance foods. If

you want to remove gluten from your diet, then why not replace it

with other whole foods, ie. fresh fruits, veggies, meats and fish.

There was such a discussion on children not liking the " gluten-free "

pasta and other pre-packaged foods my head was spinning ~ My MDs

have always said it is better to get the nutrients from the original

source rather than through tons of suplements. I certainly get the

need and benifits of fish oil due to teh (as Americans) limited

amount of healthy fish in our diet. 100 years ago, people did not

know of all of these artificial things in our foods! I still stand

by, all things in moderation, unless it is a life-or-death situation

like a peanut allergy or something similar. I am allergic to

avocados, but I can still tolerate some guacomole on occassion. My

husband is diabetic, but he can still eat regular sweets every once

in a while. And, frankly eating a few real sugar jelly beans is

better than a bunch of " sugar fee " jelly beans (talk about gut issues

after the fact!! Those of you who have eaten too many Sugar-Free

Jelly Bellys know what I'm talking about!)

Anyways, thanks again for such a great post. We should all take a

clue and try to live as healthy and natural as possible.

Kate

> > We originally eliminated dairy on the advice of her allergist

(not from advice from other parents) She was experiencing similar

symptoms that had been appearing gradually over the last few years

along with her symptoms of dyspraxia which had not changed much since

age 3. She was allergy tested and it didn't show an allergy to milk,

but the dr. recommended eliminating and seeing if it made a

difference. It did! We saw a huge surge, and symptoms disappeared

for well over a month, she had her first formed b

> > m in years. We do not supplement with anything other than the

prescribed probiotics (also by her allergist) so the surge was valid

in my opinion. I am not against supplementing, I just don't want to

do anything without her levels being tested first. We have

appointment with a Ped GI dr (3/5) and a genetics dr. specializing in

metabolic (3/20) I was simply looking for some practical advice for

people who had eliminated dairy for longer than me....so sorry to

have made you upset on Valentine's day. Imagi

> > ne mine for a moment after having a child vomit for 12 of the

last 21 days and yes had to see her at deaths door and be so week she

can't attend school. Every dr. who has seen her so far has told me

she does not a have a viral or bacterial illness...

>

[Guest guest]

<<Boy after reading what some of you guys are going through today

I'm glad that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that

stuff like this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it.>>

In context, I find this comment to be one of the most arrogant,

insensitive, and irresponsible I've seen. Please do consider your

own message with the same scrutiny you apply to and request of

others. Please.

No extreme is good. And a closed mind with a narrow view is

dangerous.

>

> Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's

diet

> in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

>

> " Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk

allergy

> in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly

lower

> than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—

confirming

> that this measure is being applied excessively. "

> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-

1470.2007.00323.x

>

> And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

> you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

> after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm

glad

> that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff

like

> this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us

have enough to worry about without the added pressures of special

diets!

>

> I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

>

> To the new members

> once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless

they

> have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

>

> And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the

same

> time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well almost

all

> saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy

Grahams while he

> was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

> should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

>

> Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

>

> I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

> have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because dehydration

> is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

> medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children throw

> up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better

they

> can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow

restrictive

> diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off " and

> other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible source

> either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die

off "

> signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible source

> please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

> last night)

>

> " Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast die-

> off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding. It

> is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

> numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic

overload.

> More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

> with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

> system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

> happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When

properly

> undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not

lead

> to yeast die-off reactions. "

> http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

>

> And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

> this is Valentine's Day!)

>

> Archive I wrote in 2002

>

>

> " I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

> though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

> memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet

saved

> my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem fair

> I had to go without.

>

> It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

> child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange

reason -

> perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

> would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they

believe

> would help their child.

>

> My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

> that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

> me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

> bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back then

> they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

> appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

> feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

>

> A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

> dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

> irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

> I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

> diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

> here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

> an illness.

>

> This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

> reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

> extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

> seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

> share that message. "

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I wholeheartedly agree.

> >

> > Janice

> > I got goosebumps reading your message to - I get those when

I

> > listen to music that really touches me! Your note is such a

mature,

> > well-stated, neutral, not defensive, complete work of art which

says

> it

> > all. I hope she reflects on her continued positioning and sees

how

> it

> > is " unfair " because it is. I was going to reply to her before

I saw

> > your note which perfectly expresses what " those of you who are

Dairy

> > Free " feel/believe.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Very well Said!

> >

> > Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's

> diet

> > in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

> >

> > " Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk

> allergy

> > in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly

> lower

> > than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—

> confirming

> > that this measure is being applied excessively. "

> > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-

> 1470.2007.00323.x

> >

> > And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

> > you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

> > after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm

> glad

> > that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff

> like

> > this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us

> have enough to worry about without the added pressures of special

> diets!

> >

> > I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

> >

> > To the new members

> > once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless

> they

> > have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

> >

> > And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the

> same

> > time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well almost

> all

> > saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy

> Grahams while he

> > was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

> > should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

> >

> > Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

> >

> > I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

> > have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because dehydration

> > is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

> > medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children throw

> > up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better

> they

> > can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow

> restrictive

> > diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off " and

> > other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible source

> > either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die

> off "

> > signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible source

> > please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

> > last night)

> >

> > " Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast die-

> > off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding. It

> > is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

> > numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic

> overload.

> > More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

> > with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

> > system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

> > happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When

> properly

> > undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not

> lead

> > to yeast die-off reactions. "

> > http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

> >

> > And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

> > this is Valentine's Day!)

> >

> > Archive I wrote in 2002

> >

> >

> > " I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

> > though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

> > memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet

> saved

> > my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem fair

> > I had to go without.

> >

> > It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

> > child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange

> reason -

> > perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

> > would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they

> believe

> > would help their child.

> >

> > My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

> > that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

> > me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

> > bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back then

> > they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

> > appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

> > feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

> >

> > A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

> > dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

> > irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

> > I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

> > diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

> > here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

> > an illness.

> >

> > This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

> > reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

> > extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

> > seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

> > share that message. "

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

STOP! Don't leave the list! DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!

This is a very healthy discussion. Very productive, mature and

respectful. If only our politicians could behave in such a manner.

I actually left the list once for all reasons so articulately stated

above. Overstayed my welcome, debatable, but I sensed that I was no

longer welcome. But, while I was checking back for updates...

to my delight - a flood of worrior Mom's all over the country working

their tails off and discovering the same or similiar patterns in

their own kids - a disturbing flood of kids I may add.

If these great Mom's leave the list - huge mistake and huge step

backward.

We MUST move forward and continue to share our beloved childrens

journey. If the above MOm's leave the list - please, please let the

list know where you are going. Or email me privatly

Thank you all ...

Worrior Mom - we are winning

OH, and to the point of the discussion - i've been around for

awhile - just my non medical 2 cents - sounds viral -or- food

poisening - allergy.... in all my research/reading - seriously doubt

original poster's child is experiencing yeast die off. I

understand/and my experience with yeast die off: the silly's, over

emotional, stimmy, hyper. Took me awhile to identify this in my

kid, but for some kids, it's plain as day. We are almost into 2

years of " recovery " - my kids' gut was once a mess (got the labs to

prove it) we've made huge progress - we are completely off the diet.

For us, it didn't even matter to me if he " tested " positive - it was

all about healing the gut. My opinion - it was well worth the extra

effort. I read the science - over and over again - made perfect

sense to me.

And for what its worth, I highly doubt a traditional allopathic MD

would even begin to know what yeast die off looks like anyway. They

just know pharmaceuticals (in my experience). And so adept at eye

rolling, patronizing comments, and excellent at billing.

> >

> > My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I try

> to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't with

> you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last 2 1/2

> weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any

other

> symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that time.

> last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and a

> cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

vomiting

> Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

> dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once hydrated

> they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and not

> eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives over

> the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or

something

> else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back negative. I

> am so worried about her! Does your child react like this to dairy

> after being off of it for a time?

> >

> > Barbara

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

With all of the scrutiny and discussion od beef these days I was not

overly shocked when I was told to take a second look at milk. There

are no guarantees those cows are not malabsobing is how I looked at

it.

> > > We originally eliminated dairy on the advice of her allergist

> (not from advice from other parents) She was experiencing similar

> symptoms that had been appearing gradually over the last few years

> along with her symptoms of dyspraxia which had not changed much

since

> age 3. She was allergy tested and it didn't show an allergy to

milk,

> but the dr. recommended eliminating and seeing if it made a

> difference. It did! We saw a huge surge, and symptoms disappeared

> for well over a month, she had her first formed b

> > > m in years. We do not supplement with anything other than the

> prescribed probiotics (also by her allergist) so the surge was

valid

> in my opinion. I am not against supplementing, I just don't want

to

> do anything without her levels being tested first. We have

> appointment with a Ped GI dr (3/5) and a genetics dr. specializing

in

> metabolic (3/20) I was simply looking for some practical advice

for

> people who had eliminated dairy for longer than me....so sorry to

> have made you upset on Valentine's day. Imagi

> > > ne mine for a moment after having a child vomit for 12 of the

> last 21 days and yes had to see her at deaths door and be so week

she

> can't attend school. Every dr. who has seen her so far has told me

> she does not a have a viral or bacterial illness...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think it is clear. Our children do not fi her definition of what

fish oil and E can address alone. Or, we just are not that smart. Or

both.

> >

> > Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's

> diet

> > in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

> >

> > " Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk

> allergy

> > in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly

> lower

> > than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—

> confirming

> > that this measure is being applied excessively. "

> > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-

> 1470.2007.00323.x

> >

> > And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

> > you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

> > after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm

> glad

> > that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff

> like

> > this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us

> have enough to worry about without the added pressures of special

> diets!

> >

> > I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

> >

> > To the new members

> > once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless

> they

> > have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

> >

> > And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the

> same

> > time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well

almost

> all

> > saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy

> Grahams while he

> > was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

> > should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

> >

> > Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

> >

> > I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

> > have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because

dehydration

> > is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

> > medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children

throw

> > up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better

> they

> > can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow

> restrictive

> > diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off "

and

> > other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible

source

> > either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die

> off "

> > signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible

source

> > please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

> > last night)

> >

> > " Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast

die-

> > off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding.

It

> > is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

> > numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic

> overload.

> > More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

> > with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

> > system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

> > happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When

> properly

> > undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not

> lead

> > to yeast die-off reactions. "

> > http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

> >

> > And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

> > this is Valentine's Day!)

> >

> > Archive I wrote in 2002

> >

> >

> > " I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

> > though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

> > memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet

> saved

> > my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem

fair

> > I had to go without.

> >

> > It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

> > child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange

> reason -

> > perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

> > would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they

> believe

> > would help their child.

> >

> > My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

> > that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

> > me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

> > bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back

then

> > they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

> > appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

> > feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

> >

> > A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

> > dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

> > irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

> > I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

> > diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

> > here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

> > an illness.

> >

> > This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

> > reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

> > extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

> > seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

> > share that message. "

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

Liz

We are smarter because we have an open mind to other ideas and are not

needlessly limiting ourselves to our own Tunnel vision.

> > >

> > > Barbara I wonder why you would eliminate milk from your child's

> > diet

> > > in the first place -unless she was allergic to it -which is rare.

> > >

> > > " Our results demonstrated an actual prevalence of cow's milk

> > allergy

> > > in patients on milk elimination diets (4%) to be significantly

> > lower

> > > than the number of patients prescribed such diets (24.2%)—

> > confirming

> > > that this measure is being applied excessively. "

> > > http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-

> > 1470.2007.00323.x

> > >

> > > And besides being she is 7 and only off milk for 3 months I'm sure

> > > you would have known prior to this if she had a true allergy. Boy

> > > after reading what some of you guys are going through today I'm

> > glad

> > > that when Tanner was first diagnosed that we all knew that stuff

> > like

> > > this was a waste of time anyway for those that did it. Most of us

> > have enough to worry about without the added pressures of special

> > diets!

> > >

> > > I do hope she is feeling better...back to the MD I guess if not?

> > >

> > > To the new members

> > > once again -most of us do NOT pull our children off milk unless

> > they

> > > have celiac or some other medical condition that warrents it..

> > >

> > > And if people say there was a surge eliminating milk -but at the

> > same

> > > time they are supplementing with fish oils (and now E) well

> almost

> > all

> > > saw amazing surges! (with milk) It's as if I fed Tanner Teddy

> > Grahams while he

> > > was in therapy and taking fish oils and having amazing surges -

> > > should I have credited the Teddy Grahams?!

> > >

> > > Or if I gave him milk -should I credit the milk?!

> > >

> > > I get upset about advice that flu like symptoms we all get when we

> > > have...the flu... are a sign of " yeast die off " because

> dehydration

> > > is a very severe situation in young children so signs of it need

> > > medical attention. Dehydration is not a good sign! Children

> throw

> > > up and get diarrhea for many reasons -and after they get better

> > they

> > > can be weak for a bit. If some of you choose to follow

> > restrictive

> > > diets then you have to listen to " it's a sign of yeast die off "

> and

> > > other bad advice. This link doesn't appear to be a credible

> source

> > > either -but even from this site they are saying that " yeast die

> > off "

> > > signs are a bad sign. (if you find something from a credible

> source

> > > please post it -all I find are sites that anyone could have put up

> > > last night)

> > >

> > > " Be aware that contrary to popularly held misconception, yeast

> die-

> > > off reactions are not a sign that yeast treatment is succeeding.

> It

> > > is an indication that yeast cells are dying, usually in large

> > > numbers, and is more of an indicator of the system's toxic

> > overload.

> > > More poisons are being released than the body can adequately cope

> > > with at one time. In most cases, yeast die-off is a sign that the

> > > system's eliminatory pathways are overburdened or as oftentimes

> > > happens, blocked, as in constipation and liver stress. When

> > properly

> > > undertaken, treatment for yeast related health problems does not

> > lead

> > > to yeast die-off reactions. "

> > > http://www.modernherbalist.com/dieoff.html

> > >

> > > And why do these type of messages make me so upset (I mean come on

> > > this is Valentine's Day!)

> > >

> > > Archive I wrote in 2002

> > >

> > >

> > > " I really don't know much about the gluten casein free diet even

> > > though I was raised on it because again it's one of the horrible

> > > memories of my childhood -not blaming it on the diet -the diet

> > saved

> > > my life -but again, I was just a child and it just didn't seem

> fair

> > > I had to go without.

> > >

> > > It seems ironic that I'm now surrounded by people putting their

> > > child on the very diet I was raised on -and for some strange

> > reason -

> > > perhaps due to my lack of making myself clear -believing that I

> > > would attack a parent for putting their child on a diet they

> > believe

> > > would help their child.

> > >

> > > My mom -who I love more than anyone in the entire world put me on

> > > that diet which is what saved my life. My mom and dad also rushed

> > > me to the hospital anytime my illness from the celiac disease was

> > > bad -and back then they didn't know as much as today -but back

> then

> > > they were very aware of the dangers of dehydration -something it

> > > appears some of you may have forgotten. I tell you it's not a good

> > > feeling to be close to death from dehydration -and I know it.

> > >

> > > A thin celiac child who is vomiting is very much in risk of

> > > dehydration. So please let's not even mention the diet part -it's

> > > irrelevant to me. Again since it's the diet that kept me healthy -

> > > I'm not sure why there is such strong belief that fever, vomiting,

> > > diarrhea, not eating in days, and extreme lethargy -all reported

> > > here in the mother's own words-are attributed to a diet and not to

> > > an illness.

> > >

> > > This is why, again -I'm so glad that we agree no matter what the

> > > reason for the " fever, vomiting, diarrhea, not eating in days, and

> > > extreme lethargy " get your child to a doctor who takes this

> > > seriously -or an ER. Maybe that's one of the reasons I lived -to

> > > share that message. "

> > >

> > > =====

> > >

[Guest guest]

My niece did 40 dives, same price (upfront!), and it did have

positive effects. However, so did other, cheaper alternatives. She

still has a looooooooooooong way to go. My sister was permitted to

go in with her (she was five at the time), and she had an interesting

experience herself. She had a brand-new cut on her hand, and by the

time the dive was done the cut was almost completely gone! It really

does heal, and since neurological problems = brain injury, it

theoretically should help any of these kids. That said, not all

injuries are created equal. A cut is a simple boo boo, neural

pathways not so simple.

in NJ

> > >

> > > My daughter (7) has been dairy free for about 3 months now. I

try

> > to be very strict, but you know how it is when your child isn't

with

> > you...anyway she has been throwing up on occasion for the last

2 1/2

> > weeks. Probably once or twice a week, but with no fever, or any

> other

> > symptom. She also experienced diarrhea once or twice in that

time.

> > last week we had a major slip and she had a brownie one day and

a

> > cookie with white chocolate and butter the next. She started

> vomiting

> > Friday night and didn't stop. She ended up in the hospital being

> > dehydrated. They did a GI series and blood work and once

hydrated

> > they let her go home. That was Tuesday. She is still weak and

not

> > eating much at all. Her bm's are not formed, she has had hives

over

> > the last few days. Could this be from the dairy products or

> something

> > else? She has had a celiac panel done and it came back

negative. I

> > am so worried about her! Does your child react like this to

dairy

> > after being off of it for a time?

> > >

> > > Barbara

> > >

> > >

> > >