Re: Pam B -- alternative med regimen

[Guest guest]

Bugleweed is a STRONG anti thyroid herb that will make you hypo.

See the thread on Mediboard from yesterday to the gal that is being overdosed

from not knowing this.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I'm feeling really good I've been a bad girl though as I have

yet to get labs to " prove " that I'm doing good. There was a period there

where I felt like NMT wasn't doing me any good at all and was maybe even

making me feel bad a lot of the time... like it had stopped working or

something - but I seem to have moved out of that and am on the upswing for

the past several weeks. My thyroid is working great (no thyroid symptoms, my

hair finally stopped falling out - yay!), but we are doing stuff for my

adrenals which tested weak and it turns out all the foods that feed the

adrenals (bioflavinoids like C and rosehips etc.) are allergens for me... so

we are working on ridding me of the allergens - for some reason I keep

failing these - she's treated me 3 times for them so they are a huge problem

for me... but I think we got it last treatment. And it turned out my

fear/panic responses were stuck on and she was able unstick them and that

has been a huge relief to me energy-wise.... and I feel calm again for the

first time in ages.

We get sidetracked sometimes when something odd happens... like for a couple

of weeks I would get this horrible headache every afternoon... so I asked my

NMT doc about it... she energy tested... turned out I was allergic to a

particular plant/pollen/whatever in the air then... so she treated me for it

and within an hour my headache was much much better and in two hours it was

gone and I haven't had a headache since.

Then we get back on track with the BIG problem which right now is my

adrenals... then we are going to move on to my receding gums - she says NMT

can help with that too - that it's a bacteria infection. My dentist said

there was nothing to be done about it... just use sensidine (sp?) toothpaste

or do flouride treatments. But I didn't beleive her (there has to be a

reason why and a way to stop it if not heal it - that's just how the body

works!)

So here is what I'm finding with NMT docs, just by talking to other people

who are trying it... it seems like there are good ones and not so good ones

- like in any profession. It seems like the ones that push multiple

supplements in addition to NMT perhaps really don't " get " what NMT can do...

The founder of NMT was asked that question - should practitioners treat with

supplements in addition to NMT - and he said that he used to use a lot of

supplements in his practice, but with NMT he has found that once the body

starts the healing process, it heals really quickly and supplements are

really not necessary MOST of the time. It's kind of like if you need a

particular mineral or herb, it's because your body doesn't use it right -

NMT fixes how your body uses it and now (assuming you eat a good balanced

diet) your body will get what it needs normally again.

That said, my NMT doc does think my adrenals need some extra support with a

whole vitimin C or rosehips... but this is only the third supplement she has

recommended to me in 6 months - she has me on a probiotic (the good bacteria

in yogurt) because I really need that apparently - I can tell when I don't

take it and a " rescue remedy " for my adrenals to give me a little help until

I can start taking the vitamin C/rosehips.

So the parallel I'm trying to draw is those NMT docs who load you up with

supplement in the beginning, rather than the ones who wait and see exactly

which ones you need as time goes by - that might be a sign of a good NMT doc

or not. I know mine is particularly talented - or gifted? - and I'm lucky

that I had several practitioners to choose from in my area - most do not. I

think it also helps that she is a medically trained family practitioner -

she is an ND - and she knows how the body works and I think that make a big

difference - unlike a lot of chiropractors who practice NMT who know how the

bones work but don't maybe understand allergies or how the endocrine system

works... whatever. For example, I've seen my doc pull out medical manuals of

the brain or the reproductive system and study them to get the right

questions to ask my body... she's very thorough and specific and I think

that is one of the things that makes her so good at it.

On the otherhand, the Standard Process supplements are excellent products...

did your NMT doc muscle test you to see if those were the particular ones

you needed? I have a feeling she is just throwing the " obvious choices " your

way - not that they are really what you need. Cataplex IS more than just

flaxseed oil - I belive it's a " green food " isn't it? My mom had some from

her chiropractor when I was first hyper and I tried one and it made me feel

worse - but then of course I was highly allergic to lots of foods at that

time and still am not able to do a 'green food " supplement.

The bugleweed of course is a good replacement for your PTU, but not good if

you want to be pregnant soon - I don't recommend you do both PTU and

bugleweed, and I'm surprised at your doc for suggesting that - that's just

kind of stupid of her I think.

I don't know what the Thyrotrophin is... have not run across it my travels..

..

But here is the thing. NMT should be able to get to the root of why your

thyroid is not functioning correctly - and fix it... and then you move on.

For example... she should find that your thyroid is not functioning

correctly because... the immune system is out of whack for example - so then

she would ask what is causing the immune system to react adversely to the

thyroid and she should find out if it's a virus, allergy, bacteria, or

whatever... then she fixes that... and the next visit tests to make sure the

fix stuck and find out if there is another thing causing problems. Each

visit you go in with a detailed list of your symptoms and she uses those to

ask the body what is going on and what needs fixing - what has the biggest

priority to fix. And each week the symptoms change a little or a lot...

until you eventually get to a place like where I am where I only have one

symptom at a time... and then eventually no symptoms and you are good to go.

Well this turned out long didn't it??? I hope it helps you to figure things

out though! I completely beleive in NMT and think it's wonderful - I don't

even take my son to anyone but her now - she's fixed ear infections, viruses

and an allergy to mosquitos - all without drugs/antibiotics - and so far

there has been no reason to see anyone else after we see her... but do think

it all depends on the practitioner. I wish everyone had access to a good NMT

professional.

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Pam B,

I'm glad to hear you're feeling well!! That is great. But be a good girl

and get those labs!

Thank you SO MUCH for going into all the detail -- wow. This really helps.

Actually, it is helping me to tune into my instincts and cancel my next

appointment. I believe this practitioner, who is a chiropractor, is

well...stupid. Not as a person, but as a practitioner (at least in my

case). She is very nice, and I like her personality. She has a good

demeanor, despite me being somewhat of a tough sell (I've been nice and

cooperative, but obviously a skeptic). She wrote an e-mail to me and

advised me to look on the BB for the NMT site, as she said there are others

with " hypothyroidism " who wrote about their experiences (this is after the

first session). (She was actually taking about YOU!) I told her I have

hypERthyroidism, and that I know you from the Web and had seen your post. I

think she was embarrassed about having said " hypothyroidism, " and kept

apologizing for her " typo " (tho she wrote hypO twice). Anyway, I forgave

the goof, and figured maybe my body knew what needed to be done, even if

she didn't!

During the last session, she said that she would be e-mailing me about

suggested supplements. She said it might be as simple as echinacea. I told

her I didn't want echinacea, as it stimulates the immune system. I think

she may be throwing out some standard suggestions. She said I can research

them on the website for Standard Process (she actually directed me to

www.standprocess.com, which is another typo; OK maybe I'm on a rant). Her

method of treatment is muscle testing, reading questions from sheets and

following a standard protocol, and at the end of each section asking " would

it be of benefit to treat the body for X " -- then gets a " yes " and runs a

two-pronged devise down my spine three times as I breathe in, breathe out,

and then pant. Does this sound like your experience?

Perhaps I should hold off on any further treatments, and see if my

antibodies are going in the right direction. Then make my decision about

whether to continue or not. You see, I'm not very symptomatic, nor have I

been at any time, so it's hard to gauge if the NMT is affecting me. Right

now, I suspect I'm hypO (and maybe a lot), but only have swollen eyelids

(water retention). My TSH was 5.27 when checked about 2 weeks ago (unless

it was a lab error!). Hope the TPO-Ab isn't climbing.

The real question is about this Thyrotrophin. I think it is a glandular?

Thought you might have come across it in your travels, maybe at Bastyr. I

believe that it is cow thyroid with the T4 removed, but not sure about the

T3 (or other hormones), and if it stimulates the thyroid or could be

harmful in any way (or just a waste of $). Why would cow thyroid cells

help? Maybe I'm just supposed to go on faith.

Seems like you are lucky with your practitioner. I doubt I can find a good

one out here in the big city. For this kind of thing (altmed), I suspect

it's not like your neck of the woods.

[Guest guest]

Pam B,

I'm glad to hear you're feeling well!! That is great. But be a good girl

and get those labs!

Thank you SO MUCH for going into all the detail -- wow. This really helps.

Actually, it is helping me to tune into my instincts and cancel my next

appointment. I believe this practitioner, who is a chiropractor, is

well...stupid. Not as a person, but as a practitioner (at least in my

case). She is very nice, and I like her personality. She has a good

demeanor, despite me being somewhat of a tough sell (I've been nice and

cooperative, but obviously a skeptic). She wrote an e-mail to me and

advised me to look on the BB for the NMT site, as she said there are others

with " hypothyroidism " who wrote about their experiences (this is after the

first session). (She was actually taking about YOU!) I told her I have

hypERthyroidism, and that I know you from the Web and had seen your post. I

think she was embarrassed about having said " hypothyroidism, " and kept

apologizing for her " typo " (tho she wrote hypO twice). Anyway, I forgave

the goof, and figured maybe my body knew what needed to be done, even if

she didn't!

During the last session, she said that she would be e-mailing me about

suggested supplements. She said it might be as simple as echinacea. I told

her I didn't want echinacea, as it stimulates the immune system. I think

she may be throwing out some standard suggestions. She said I can research

them on the website for Standard Process (she actually directed me to

www.standprocess.com, which is another typo; OK maybe I'm on a rant). Her

method of treatment is muscle testing, reading questions from sheets and

following a standard protocol, and at the end of each section asking " would

it be of benefit to treat the body for X " -- then gets a " yes " and runs a

two-pronged devise down my spine three times as I breathe in, breathe out,

and then pant. Does this sound like your experience?

Perhaps I should hold off on any further treatments, and see if my

antibodies are going in the right direction. Then make my decision about

whether to continue or not. You see, I'm not very symptomatic, nor have I

been at any time, so it's hard to gauge if the NMT is affecting me. Right

now, I suspect I'm hypO (and maybe a lot), but only have swollen eyelids

(water retention). My TSH was 5.27 when checked about 2 weeks ago (unless

it was a lab error!). Hope the TPO-Ab isn't climbing.

The real question is about this Thyrotrophin. I think it is a glandular?

Thought you might have come across it in your travels, maybe at Bastyr. I

believe that it is cow thyroid with the T4 removed, but not sure about the

T3 (or other hormones), and if it stimulates the thyroid or could be

harmful in any way (or just a waste of $). Why would cow thyroid cells

help? Maybe I'm just supposed to go on faith.

Seems like you are lucky with your practitioner. I doubt I can find a good

one out here in the big city. For this kind of thing (altmed), I suspect

it's not like your neck of the woods.

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Read your post again. A lot to take in!

In case you were wondering, there are 13 different Cataplex formulas. The

Cataplex F (Perles) has Flaxseed oil, bovine liver fat extract, flaxseed

oil extract, and bovine orchic extract.

I get the idea that I shouldn't need supplements if the NMT is working and

if my diet is generally good. I think my practitioner may simply be

inexperienced (3 years in practice), and maybe her training is limited. I

could be wrong, but it seems she doesn't focus in on the thyroid, but

rather goes about muscle testing in a more diffuse way, coming up with

" there is a problem in the lymphatic system, blood, ears... " Maybe it's

just not for me. But if my antibodies are down, I will re-evaluate.

Thanks for listening!

[Guest guest]

Hi , I think that *is* how it works - there is a script that the

developer/founder/? of NMT wrote - and they do read off the script and ask

your body the questions on the script... but I think the key thing is the

practitioner knowing the right questions to ask to make those scripted

questions apply to you. Honestly, it all seems like mumbo jumbo... and if

the results hadn't been so obvious and wonderful right away I would have

been out the door real quick too.

But I'm pretty sure she should have been focusing on your thyroid - what is

making 's thryoid overactive - then that would have led her to

perhaps an allergy or a bacteria or something. I think my first two big

treatments were an allergy to my own muscle and then yeast problems - both

were causing my immune system to be confused and attack my thyroid. But each

time the subject of my thryoid was brought up several times... as in " if the

problem with the muscle allergy is resolved will that benefit Pam's thryoid?

kind of thing.

Also, she doesn't use any gagets like a two-pronged thingy... she just taps

my back and tells me how to breath while she's doing it. I worry about

practitioners that make it look or seem more complicated that it really is

with gagets and stuff... it's really fast and simple stuff. My doc spends

more time talking about symptoms than she does on the treatment itself.

Of course if your doc doesn't even get the difference between over and

underactive then she is in big trouble to start with. I think you may be

right to take a break from her... at least till she gets more experience. It

s too bad, especially since your case is so mild and you haven't been sick

for long, it should be really easy to clear right up.

But you know... it's going to be hard for you to know if it's the NMT or the

PTU that is making your antibodies go away... once I started NMT I had to

go off my bugleweed tincture quickly as I went hypo very quickly... and

maybe that is one reason you are going hypo too - though I suspect it's

probably a combination of too high a dose of PTU as well as the NMT. Though

going off quickly goes against everything I had learned from this group for

a year - it's what I had to do to keep from getting really hypo - I was

gaining weight so quickly I went from a size 10 to 12/14 in just a couple of

weeks... and maybe that is what you are going to have to do too - MAYBE you

don't need the PTU anymore - or maybe you just need a tiny little amount.

Here's hoping

Pam B.

PS. That makes sense about the Cataplex - I think my mom had Cataplex C or

something.... lots of barley in it if I remember.

[Guest guest]

hey, just thought of something... does she do a lot of muscle testing and

write down a lot of notes before she does the treatment? I'm wondering if

maybe my doc does that differently - maybe she made that part up? She has

different forms to fill out for allergies, infectious agents, psp's etc.

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

hey, just thought of something... does she do a lot of muscle testing and

write down a lot of notes before she does the treatment? I'm wondering if

maybe my doc does that differently - maybe she made that part up? She has

different forms to fill out for allergies, infectious agents, psp's etc.

Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Well, I only went 3 times, so it is hard for me to comment. Basically, I

tell her how I'm doing, any symptoms I might be having at the time. She

does not write a lot of notes, maybe a few. She has one form in particular

that I remember, which lists the different systems across a row (blood,

lymphatic, ears, etc.), and she circles the ones that I tested " yes " for.

Most of the session is muscle testing, and I focus on keeping my arm taut,

but sort of half-listen to the questions (she said I can think about

anything, like what I'm going to plan for dinner, where I might go on

vacation). She will say stuff like " Parasites: are there 1, 2, 3, 4...1,

2...1; OK, 1. " (This would be the case if my arm went " yes " for 1, and no

for 2, 3, 4.) And then write 1 in the row for parasites. But it doesn't

seem specific to any body part. That's why I say it seems diffuse. I don't

recall her mentioning the thyroid a lot while testing. Though there is some

strange lingo at times.

Again, maybe I just don't know what she's doing.

At 02:27 PM 8/2/2003, you wrote:

>hey, just thought of something... does she do a lot of muscle testing and

>write down a lot of notes before she does the treatment? I'm wondering if

>maybe my doc does that differently - maybe she made that part up? She has

>different forms to fill out for allergies, infectious agents, psp's etc.

>

>Pam B.

[Guest guest]

Pam B,

One more thing I should have mentioned: my practitioner has not said " the

problem with your thyroid is... " She just says " interesting " and " this is

great " and " we came up with lymphatic, blood, ears. " She doesn't formulate

things to me in a coherent way, but I didn't know if that's what I should

expect. So I leave shrugging my shoulders, hoping my subconscious mind is

telling my autonomic nervous system what to do!