Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Have you butter lovers tried Ghee? It is clarified butter/butter oil/butter with the casein and milk solids removed. Expensive at the health food store (Purity Farms brand) or less expensive, but perhaps not as pure? at Indian/Pakistani markets. My one objection to Dr. Semon's diet (which I read, but didn't follow) was the use of butter. I have seen tooth marks in butter cubes in my own home years ago, and the home of another family with an autistic kid. I don't trust butter. But ghee still has the flavor, and the lauric acid, and is a short-chain easily digested fat. Some parents make their own ghee. Owens, Joe Heffernan, anybody listening? We could use a recipe. Lorilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 > Have you butter lovers tried Ghee? It is clarified butter/butter oil/butter > with the casein and milk solids removed. Expensive at the health food > store (Purity Farms brand) or less expensive, but perhaps not as pure? at > Indian/Pakistani markets. But ghee still has the flavor, and the lauric acid, and is a > short-chain easily digested fat. > > Some parents make their own ghee. Owens, Joe Heffernan, anybody > listening? We could use a recipe. > Lorilyn GHEE is made by melting butter over low heat and separating the solids from the fat. I've never done it; but, have you ever left the butter in a pan for too long and see that it separates? I think I would do it on bagnomaria if I was to do it, so to make sure not to burn it on the stove. then you just pour the solids out and have the fat(=oil part) left to use. As I said, I've never done it. Cristina-WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Does anyone know what Dr. Semon's exact postion was on butter? Why does he consider it ok, when it does contain trace amounts of casein? I can't quite remember, and he really makes no mention in his book as to why its ok, other than the fact that he feels margarine is bad. a > > Have you butter lovers tried Ghee? It is clarified butter/butter > oil/butter > > with the casein and milk solids removed. Expensive at the health food > > store (Purity Farms brand) or less expensive, but perhaps not as pure? at > > Indian/Pakistani markets. > > > > My one objection to Dr. Semon's diet (which I read, but didn't follow) was > > the use of butter. I have seen tooth marks in butter cubes in my own home > > years ago, and the home of another family with an autistic kid. I don't > > trust butter. But ghee still has the flavor, and the lauric acid, and is > a > > short-chain easily digested fat. > > > > Some parents make their own ghee. Owens, Joe Heffernan, anybody > > listening? We could use a recipe. > > Lorilyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Dr. Bruce Semon said, " Butter in small amounts is acceptable because butter is a fat which does not contain the milk protein casein. " page 166 Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD. by Shaw Ph.D. Re: BUTTER OK??? > > > Does anyone know what Dr. Semon's exact postion was on butter? Why does he > consider it ok, when it does contain trace amounts of casein? I can't > quite > remember, and he really makes no mention in his book as to why its ok, > other > than the fact that he feels margarine is bad. > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 Lorilyn, Because of my objections to the sort of fatty acids you find in margarine, I originally took Grace off of all dairy except butter. Later, when I had her tested at Shattock's lab, she still had a very significant casein peak. That is when I started clarifying butter, but I don't have an " after " test to let you know how significantly that affected the peak. I melt butter in the microwave to separate out the milk, then put the whole shebang in the refrigerator. The butter solidifies, but the milk collects underneath it all. I pour off the milk and then rinse the butter in cold water, and then zap it again and repeat. That seems to do a good job! I recently learned that one of the big issues in ulcerative colitis is a problem with not having enough butyric acid (butyrate) in the gut to nourish the gut cells. Bacteria of a certain sort, if present, and if they have access to sulfate, will make sulfide from it, which has that rotten egg smell nobody likes. Theoretically, the extra sulfate might be available there in the colon because it wasn't absorbed in the small intestine because of host cell sulfate transport problems. Sulfide has been shown to interfere with butyric acid, and cause the colonic cells to be undernourished. That is probably why salicylates help treat ulcerative colitis...Salicylates interfere with sulfate transport, and the nasties in the gut exposed to salicylates stop making sulfide, apparently, when there is a lot of salicylate around. The salicylate may keep the rascalian bacteria from absorbing the sulfate they would then convert to sulfide. The problem, though, is that the salicylate would also act on the host cells' sulfate transporters. That would be expected to move things the WRONG direction in the kidneys, causing the urinary wasting of systemic sulfate. This would also be expected to move urinary sulfate levels in the pathological direction that Rosemary Waring has described finding in autism. Quite a dilemma. Butyric acid nourishes the colon cells and is really essential, but it is made primarily by bacteria in the colon from carbohydrate. Of course, there could be a problem in that department if lots of antibiotic use or some other predisposition has hurt the bacteria that need to make butyric acid, and left flora that like to make sulfide instead! Now curiously, clarified butter contains butyric acid, may have some advantages over margarine IF it is not broken down before it gets to the colonic cells that need it, and if the casein has been thoroughly removed if you are trying to be casein free. Hope that wasn't too complicated. At 6/26/2001 -070009:55 AM, you wrote: >Some parents make their own ghee. Owens, Joe Heffernan, anybody >listening? We could use a recipe. >Lorilyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 Now this part was not too complicated for me and a lot easier than trying to do it on the stove. Have you mixed the Ghee with any good oil to make a 'soft' spread? Almost any would be acceptable to the boys but DH is a different story. Do you use the unsalted or salted butter? Betty ----- Original Message ----- > > Because of my objections to the sort of fatty acids you find in margarine, > I originally took Grace off of all dairy except butter. Later, when I had > her tested at Shattock's lab, she still had a very significant casein > peak. That is when I started clarifying butter, but I don't have an > " after " test to let you know how significantly that affected the peak. > > I melt butter in the microwave to separate out the milk, then put the whole > shebang in the refrigerator. The butter solidifies, but the milk collects > underneath it all. I pour off the milk and then rinse the butter in cold > water, and then zap it again and repeat. That seems to do a good job! > > > Now curiously, clarified butter contains butyric acid, may have some > advantages over margarine IF it is not broken down before it gets to the > colonic cells that need it, and if the casein has been thoroughly removed > if you are trying to be casein free. > > Hope that wasn't too complicated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Listmates: It is my understanding that salted butter contains more salt than butter. Since I am cheap, I always bought the unsalted to get my money's worth. We still use butter but not for our son on the diet. He could care less. I used to use it to get more fat into him. But, he doesn't care if it's margarine or butter. Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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