Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Hi , Interesting dilemma you present. You sound like you've made your choices with your eyes open, and imply you know that the stuff you mention is not necessarily the best for your health. Smoking, especially has been shown to exacerbate eye symptoms--yet there have been people in this group who smoke despite Graves eye disease; I myself drink coffee, and while having a glass of wine with dinner is not probably what you mean by drinking, I do that too. We all make our choices, and quality of life issues come with us. I have a good friend who is out on a big tour as one of the cooks, so I know a bit about your lifestyle. You can get carried along into things that are not necessarily what your body or mind need at the time. Without a doubt, it's a difficult position to be in when hyper. You need to make sure not to forget your meds, you need regular sleep, and stress definitely makes hyper people worse. You need to be aware that Graves Rage, for instance, is a real symptom, and not just a personality quirk. If your symptoms are bad, it means you are not being monitored properly. If you're not being monitored, you are at risk for problems with your heart, a place you don't really want to go. One thing you can do that will help you is to get regular testing, and know what your levels of Free T4 and Free T3 are, and make sure your meds are at the right level for you. Another thing is, you really ought to be dividing it into 3 daily doses spaced 8 hrs. apart. Especially with PTU that's important to avoid swings and help your body heal. It may be hard to do it, but you'll probably feel better, as the half-life of PTU is fairly short and you therefore experience too many swings. I have a theory, quite unproven medically but I know it's so for me, that taking the meds in such a way as to keep your body from having any big swings in level helps the thyroid heal and normalize. I personally take Tapazole not PTU, but I think it's the same no matter what drug you use. We're a pretty friendly group of people, and over the years dealing with this disease and helping each other with it, we've become pretty knowledgeable too. Feel free to post lab results, ask opinions--or just join in the discussions. Given that we're spread out all over the world with people from the US to the UK and Australia and even occasionally Thailand, there might just be somebody awake when you want to talk. Terry > > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:19:49 -0000 > To: graves_support > Subject: Shot in the dark > > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > discuss our choices, etc... > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > nights. > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the endorsement of > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Wow, already so much great advice and so many things to think about! Ya, I do have quite a bit of eye trouble -they are almost always bloodshot as well itchy and dry. I do keep my " eyes open " in the choices that I make and occasionally suffer the consequences as well. Odd as it sounds, I never miss my medication and do try to get enough sleep. When I don't -especially on tour, I really feel it the next day in many ways. I haven't heard of Graves Rage. -Now I'm going to look into that. I was always pretty much told there are no real side effects to PTU. I did notice massive emotional changes when I was very sick and then after starting my PTU medication at the begining. I'm going to look into spreading my med's into 3 times a day. I've had loads of trouble getting regular blood tests and good/constant med. care. But it looks like that's finally going to happen this month. Thanks! - > Hi , > > Interesting dilemma you present. You sound like you've made your choices > with your eyes open, and imply you know that the stuff you mention is not > necessarily the best for your health. Smoking, especially has been shown to > exacerbate eye symptoms--yet there have been people in this group who smoke > despite Graves eye disease; I myself drink coffee, and while having a glass > of wine with dinner is not probably what you mean by drinking, I do that > too. We all make our choices, and quality of life issues come with us. > > I have a good friend who is out on a big tour as one of the cooks, so I know > a bit about your lifestyle. You can get carried along into things that are > not necessarily what your body or mind need at the time. Without a doubt, > it's a difficult position to be in when hyper. You need to make sure not to > forget your meds, you need regular sleep, and stress definitely makes hyper > people worse. You need to be aware that Graves Rage, for instance, is a real > symptom, and not just a personality quirk. If your symptoms are bad, it > means you are not being monitored properly. If you're not being monitored, > you are at risk for problems with your heart, a place you don't really want > to go. > > One thing you can do that will help you is to get regular testing, and know > what your levels of Free T4 and Free T3 are, and make sure your meds are at > the right level for you. Another thing is, you really ought to be dividing > it into 3 daily doses spaced 8 hrs. apart. Especially with PTU that's > important to avoid swings and help your body heal. It may be hard to do it, > but you'll probably feel better, as the half-life of PTU is fairly short and > you therefore experience too many swings. I have a theory, quite unproven > medically but I know it's so for me, that taking the meds in such a way as > to keep your body from having any big swings in level helps the thyroid heal > and normalize. I personally take Tapazole not PTU, but I think it's the same > no matter what drug you use. > > We're a pretty friendly group of people, and over the years dealing with > this disease and helping each other with it, we've become pretty > knowledgeable too. Feel free to post lab results, ask opinions--or just join > in the discussions. Given that we're spread out all over the world with > people from the US to the UK and Australia and even occasionally Thailand, > there might just be somebody awake when you want to talk. > > Terry > > > From: " Rosenberg " <immediately12@y...> > > Reply-To: graves_support > > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:19:49 -0000 > > To: graves_support > > Subject: Shot in the dark > > > > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > > discuss our choices, etc... > > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > > nights. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > > intended to replace expert medical care. > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > > ---------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER > > > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the endorsement of > > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Hi , When I got sick with Graves', I was a theatre staging technician and had been in that line of work for about ten years. I started off working in Variety theatres where worn out rock and roll bands and tribute bands would tour(!), sometimes I'd sit and follow spot the wrestling, and sometimes I was lucky enough to stage manage on shows like WOMAD festivals. The last few years in that line of work were in Opera in big cities, which I loved as there was a lot of set building etc. I was never on a music tour and never really lived the heady life that you are leading as I was always afraid of taking drugs. I'd had problems with palpitations as young as 18 - (though Graves' never officially exploded until I was 32) and I instinctively believed I would die if I took any class A drugs so I never did -but I was there for the late nights etc. I loved drinking beer and smoking! I LOVED shift work, loved late nights. I had to give up work about six months before I finally got diagnosed with Graves' - I was shaking alot and getting thin and kept dropping things (a shifter from the top of a tallescope, whoops) which is not a great state for a stagehand to be in. I think alot of people I was working with just thought I was taking too many drugs and drinking alot - I told them I wasn't, but they smiled knowingly. In fact I was going home and sleeping and getting up and working - and that was all. I didn't know what was wrong with me, but I knew I couldn't do my job well and saw myself just becoming more unreliable and more unpleasant to be around as time went on, so I gave it up. My whole identity was wrapped up in the theatre world and work that I was doing. It was very hard to let it go but push came to shove for me when I realised I was too ill to enjoy what I was doing anyway -so what was the point. I am not saying you should give up your lifestyle or your work, I'm just saying I couldn't do that work and live that lifestyle with the kind of extreme hyperthyroidism that I experienced. My feeling is that I had to get out of that world to heal, at least for a time. In my world - on the tech side of things anyway in the performing arts - it seemed that people were either drinking and taking drugs, or were in AA, or NA - as I've said, I was always moderate and being female that was easier to navigate I think, but I didn't find a place that helped me within the culture of my work. I think if I had known what was wrong with me earlier I might have been able to work out how to be and how to manage my environment better... but it wasn't to be and I had to quit before I got diagnosed. I gave up smoking and drinking beer - I'm not suggesting that you do, you sound quite settled into your decisions, but this is what happened with me. It was easy to stop drinking because it made me feel so ill, ill I thought I would die- alcohol seemed to go straight from being tipsy to having a hangover before I even got home. I realised I was drinking chiefly, because it made all my friends feel comfortable and not because I enjoyed it. So I stopped and it really annoyed people and made life difficult for a time. Smoking was more difficult and I couldnt' have done it without hypnosis... which is something I had often sneered at before I did it, but I'd tried everything and " quit " about 30 times. In retrospect (though many will disagree with me) I think sudden dramatic changes to your chemnical intake can place a great strain on your body and I am not sure that going from smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking none, was a very good thing for me. There is an intersting web site called iThyrod (search Google for iThyroid) written and researched by a bloke called - his theory is that Hyper and Hypo are triggered and made worse by mineral imbalances.... His point of view is that Copper deficiency is a major problem for Graves' sufferers - I find it interesting that beer has a fair amount of copper in it - and so does chocolate and I wonder if this would account for my lifestyle betweent the ages of 20 and 30!! Cigarettes have a lot of Cadmium in them and this mineral is also supposed to be significant though I can't remember the mechanisms of how. HOWEVER.... the biggest incentive for giving up smoking for me was my fear of blindness - I had a look at some of those horrific " END STAGE " Graves eye disease pictures - and read that smoking was the single biggest factor affecting the severity of people's eye disease. It took the pleasure out of every puff I took. ERRRR what else. Oh yeah - have you tried taking any herbs? (!) I found that once I started using herbs to help get me better, my Graves' antibody levels dropped out of view and I went into remission (very slowly). The herbs come in tincutres and you take them in drops - bugleweed is the one that directly affects your antibody levels and I found them very powerful. Alright then... all the best - I've rambled rather aimlessly, but hope some of it makes sense. Dawn Rose DAWN ROSE Reply-To: graves_support To: <graves_support > Subject: Re: Shot in the dark Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:08:07 -0700 Hi , Interesting dilemma you present. You sound like you've made your choices with your eyes open, and imply you know that the stuff you mention is not necessarily the best for your health. Smoking, especially has been shown to exacerbate eye symptoms--yet there have been people in this group who smoke despite Graves eye disease; I myself drink coffee, and while having a glass of wine with dinner is not probably what you mean by drinking, I do that too. We all make our choices, and quality of life issues come with us. I have a good friend who is out on a big tour as one of the cooks, so I know a bit about your lifestyle. You can get carried along into things that are not necessarily what your body or mind need at the time. Without a doubt, it's a difficult position to be in when hyper. You need to make sure not to forget your meds, you need regular sleep, and stress definitely makes hyper people worse. You need to be aware that Graves Rage, for instance, is a real symptom, and not just a personality quirk. If your symptoms are bad, it means you are not being monitored properly. If you're not being monitored, you are at risk for problems with your heart, a place you don't really want to go. One thing you can do that will help you is to get regular testing, and know what your levels of Free T4 and Free T3 are, and make sure your meds are at the right level for you. Another thing is, you really ought to be dividing it into 3 daily doses spaced 8 hrs. apart. Especially with PTU that's important to avoid swings and help your body heal. It may be hard to do it, but you'll probably feel better, as the half-life of PTU is fairly short and you therefore experience too many swings. I have a theory, quite unproven medically but I know it's so for me, that taking the meds in such a way as to keep your body from having any big swings in level helps the thyroid heal and normalize. I personally take Tapazole not PTU, but I think it's the same no matter what drug you use. We're a pretty friendly group of people, and over the years dealing with this disease and helping each other with it, we've become pretty knowledgeable too. Feel free to post lab results, ask opinions--or just join in the discussions. Given that we're spread out all over the world with people from the US to the UK and Australia and even occasionally Thailand, there might just be somebody awake when you want to talk. Terry > > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:19:49 -0000 > To: graves_support > Subject: Shot in the dark > > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > discuss our choices, etc... > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > nights. > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the endorsement of > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 > I'm a musician Are you a musician only or also a singer? That along with the vision concerns that were raised would be major concerns of mine. You want to protect your voice, so you want to maximize the efficacy of the ATDs. Do you know if your hyperthyroidism is caused by Graves? If so you want to be very careful about when and how you go off the PTU - you have to be sure the TSI antibodies are sufficiently low. Have you been on ATDs continuously? 5 years is a long time, but not too long. If this is what it takes to keep you going 100 mg./ day isn't terribly much. > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. Hyper or hypo? If you still have hyper symptoms you may want to consider taking the PTU the way it's recommended - in 3 doses, which will require pill splitting but which will give you continuous coverage. If you're hypo, you may want to consider BRT (block and replace therapy), which is adding thyroid hormone to your regimen to balance you out and enable you to stay on the PTU. If you are hypo it may seem simpler and more logical to just go off the PTU (if you do, do it slowly) but if the hyperthyroidism is caused by Graves it's a bit more complex than that. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 You've said a lot of stuff that rings true for me too. When I was really sick the palpatations were a daily thing, as was constant sweating, shortness of breath and the shakes. I thought it was due to my unhealthy lifestyle. I'm sure that did not help and excaserbated perhaps brought on my Hyperthyroid. And I can relate so well to having my entire identity wrapped in a world/image of drinking and partying. That's what my band does. We hang out late, and get in trouble. I've seen a bit of what your talking about when you mentioned copper and mineral imbalances. At some point, I know I have to quit this. I think. -Like I said I'm aware of the choices I make and sometimes don't know why I make them, and other times I realize that's the way I am and the way I want to live. - > Hi , > > When I got sick with Graves', I was a theatre staging technician and had > been in that line of work for about ten years. I started off working in > Variety theatres where worn out rock and roll bands and tribute bands would > tour(!), sometimes I'd sit and follow spot the wrestling, and sometimes I > was lucky enough to stage manage on shows like WOMAD festivals. The last few > years in that line of work were in Opera in big cities, which I loved as > there was a lot of set building etc. > > I was never on a music tour and never really lived the heady life that you > are leading as I was always afraid of taking drugs. I'd had problems with > palpitations as young as 18 - (though Graves' never officially exploded > until I was 32) and I instinctively believed I would die if I took any class > A drugs so I never did -but I was there for the late nights etc. > > I loved drinking beer and smoking! I LOVED shift work, loved late nights. I > had to give up work about six months before I finally got diagnosed with > Graves' - I was shaking alot and getting thin and kept dropping things (a > shifter from the top of a tallescope, whoops) which is not a great state for > a stagehand to be in. I think alot of people I was working with just > thought I was taking too many drugs and drinking alot - I told them I > wasn't, but they smiled knowingly. In fact I was going home and sleeping > and getting up and working - and that was all. I didn't know what was wrong > with me, but I knew I couldn't do my job well and saw myself just becoming > more unreliable and more unpleasant to be around as time went on, so I gave > it up. > > My whole identity was wrapped up in the theatre world and work that I was > doing. It was very hard to let it go but push came to shove for me when I > realised I was too ill to enjoy what I was doing anyway -so what was the > point. I am not saying you should give up your lifestyle or your work, I'm > just saying I couldn't do that work and live that lifestyle with the kind of > extreme hyperthyroidism that I experienced. > > My feeling is that I had to get out of that world to heal, at least for a > time. In my world - on the tech side of things anyway in the performing > arts - it seemed that people were either drinking and taking drugs, or were > in AA, or NA - as I've said, I was always moderate and being female that was > easier to navigate I think, but I didn't find a place that helped me within > the culture of my work. I think if I had known what was wrong with me > earlier I might have been able to work out how to be and how to manage my > environment better... but it wasn't to be and I had to quit before I got > diagnosed. > > I gave up smoking and drinking beer - I'm not suggesting that you do, you > sound quite settled into your decisions, but this is what happened with me. > > It was easy to stop drinking because it made me feel so ill, ill I thought I > would die- alcohol seemed to go straight from being tipsy to having a > hangover before I even got home. I realised I was drinking chiefly, because > it made all my friends feel comfortable and not because I enjoyed it. So I > stopped and it really annoyed people and made life difficult for a time. > > Smoking was more difficult and I couldnt' have done it without hypnosis... > which is something I had often sneered at before I did it, but I'd tried > everything and " quit " about 30 times. In retrospect (though many will > disagree with me) I think sudden dramatic changes to your chemnical intake > can place a great strain on your body and I am not sure that going from > smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking none, was a very good thing for me. > > There is an intersting web site called iThyrod (search Google for iThyroid) > written and researched by a bloke called - his theory is that Hyper and > Hypo are triggered and made worse by mineral imbalances.... > > His point of view is that Copper deficiency is a major problem for Graves' > sufferers - I find it interesting that beer has a fair amount of copper in > it - and so does chocolate and I wonder if this would account for my > lifestyle betweent the ages of 20 and 30!! > > Cigarettes have a lot of Cadmium in them and this mineral is also supposed > to be significant though I can't remember the mechanisms of how. > HOWEVER.... the biggest incentive for giving up smoking for me was my fear > of blindness - I had a look at some of those horrific " END STAGE " Graves eye > disease pictures - and read that smoking was the single biggest factor > affecting the severity of people's eye disease. It took the pleasure out of > every puff I took. > > ERRRR what else. Oh yeah - have you tried taking any herbs? (!) > I found that once I started using herbs to help get me better, my Graves' > antibody levels dropped out of view and I went into remission (very slowly). > The herbs come in tincutres and you take them in drops - bugleweed is the > one that directly affects your antibody levels and I found them very > powerful. > > Alright then... all the best - I've rambled rather aimlessly, but hope some > of it makes sense. > > Dawn Rose > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAWN ROSE > > > > > > From: Terry ding <aldente@s...> > Reply-To: graves_support > To: <graves_support > > Subject: Re: Shot in the dark > Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:08:07 -0700 > > Hi , > > Interesting dilemma you present. You sound like you've made your choices > with your eyes open, and imply you know that the stuff you mention is not > necessarily the best for your health. Smoking, especially has been shown to > exacerbate eye symptoms--yet there have been people in this group who smoke > despite Graves eye disease; I myself drink coffee, and while having a glass > of wine with dinner is not probably what you mean by drinking, I do that > too. We all make our choices, and quality of life issues come with us. > > I have a good friend who is out on a big tour as one of the cooks, so I know > a bit about your lifestyle. You can get carried along into things that are > not necessarily what your body or mind need at the time. Without a doubt, > it's a difficult position to be in when hyper. You need to make sure not to > forget your meds, you need regular sleep, and stress definitely makes hyper > people worse. You need to be aware that Graves Rage, for instance, is a real > symptom, and not just a personality quirk. If your symptoms are bad, it > means you are not being monitored properly. If you're not being monitored, > you are at risk for problems with your heart, a place you don't really want > to go. > > One thing you can do that will help you is to get regular testing, and know > what your levels of Free T4 and Free T3 are, and make sure your meds are at > the right level for you. Another thing is, you really ought to be dividing > it into 3 daily doses spaced 8 hrs. apart. Especially with PTU that's > important to avoid swings and help your body heal. It may be hard to do it, > but you'll probably feel better, as the half-life of PTU is fairly short and > you therefore experience too many swings. I have a theory, quite unproven > medically but I know it's so for me, that taking the meds in such a way as > to keep your body from having any big swings in level helps the thyroid heal > and normalize. I personally take Tapazole not PTU, but I think it's the same > no matter what drug you use. > > We're a pretty friendly group of people, and over the years dealing with > this disease and helping each other with it, we've become pretty > knowledgeable too. Feel free to post lab results, ask opinions--or just join > in the discussions. Given that we're spread out all over the world with > people from the US to the UK and Australia and even occasionally Thailand, > there might just be somebody awake when you want to talk. > > Terry > > > From: " Rosenberg " <immediately12@y...> > > Reply-To: graves_support > > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:19:49 -0000 > > To: graves_support > > Subject: Shot in the dark > > > > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > > discuss our choices, etc... > > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > > nights. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > > intended to replace expert medical care. > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > > ---------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER > > > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the > endorsement of > > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:42:55 -0000 " Rosenberg " writes: > I actually own that book and have gotten a good amount of > knowledge out of it. I keep coming back to it. I think the > vegetarian lifestyle is just fine with Graves. > - Yes but...It depends on your definition of vegetarian. One committed veg. member of this list does eat eggs but still found she needed extra protein so I think she ate meat; then again she was pregnant at the time. You very likely will need extra protein. Also, many people with thyroid disorders find they do well on a lower carb, higher protein diet, even if they're not glucose intolerant (thyroid and glucose issues can go together). This is especially so with active Graves, which you may be experiencing now. Just aim for whole grain carbs and good protein, whether meat based or not. Speaking of Graves acting up, if that is the case the dr. may want you on a dose higher than 100, which will be easier to divide in thirds. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:42:55 -0000 " Rosenberg " writes: > I actually own that book and have gotten a good amount of > knowledge out of it. I keep coming back to it. I think the > vegetarian lifestyle is just fine with Graves. > - Yes but...It depends on your definition of vegetarian. One committed veg. member of this list does eat eggs but still found she needed extra protein so I think she ate meat; then again she was pregnant at the time. You very likely will need extra protein. Also, many people with thyroid disorders find they do well on a lower carb, higher protein diet, even if they're not glucose intolerant (thyroid and glucose issues can go together). This is especially so with active Graves, which you may be experiencing now. Just aim for whole grain carbs and good protein, whether meat based or not. Speaking of Graves acting up, if that is the case the dr. may want you on a dose higher than 100, which will be easier to divide in thirds. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 Hi . I too am a drinker. I have always been a heavy drinker and smoker. Did some drugs in my 20's but never had a problem there. Everyone in the last couple of years has made some remark to me about how I can't hold my booze as well as I used to. I seldom got drunk, but now, 2 drinks and it's too much. I hope I did not do this to myself. I always thought that I would have to pay for my alcoholism, but this was nothing I could ever have imagined. I have not had a drink since I found out about this because I thought that my liver would be in to bad of shape for meds. I hope people on this group don't think bad of me. I just wanted to talk to someone who has bad habits just like me-lol. BTW , I have TED in one eye and am waiting for my TSI and TPO results, since my other tests were normal exceppt my TSH. When my Doc told me to quit smoking, I did. It lasted for 4 days and then I started again. I hate this addiction! Take care. Donna > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > discuss our choices, etc... > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 Good for you for talking up Donna. I am sure no one here will judge cos that just isn't the point. I myself live a very clean life these days - but there is no sense of moral superiority attached to that for me and I admit to finding life without smoking and drinking quite isolating - they were the oil in the social wheels for me... I am pretty sure I would not have stopped social drinking, unless it was making me feel as ill as it did! The reasons why I got rid of my bad habits were a combination of Graves' onset, and general ageing I think. Maybe in the end that will make Graves' some sort of silver lined cloud for me... not quite there yet I must admit! Don't give up with the quitting smoking thing. The average number of attempts at quitting before the smoker manages it, is around seven I think - in my case it was more like thirty. Hypnotism helped, but also the fact that I was very hyper and having palpitations every time I llit up! Good luck DAWN Reply-To: graves_support To: graves_support Subject: Re: Shot in the dark Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:23:52 -0000 Hi . I too am a drinker. I have always been a heavy drinker and smoker. Did some drugs in my 20's but never had a problem there. Everyone in the last couple of years has made some remark to me about how I can't hold my booze as well as I used to. I seldom got drunk, but now, 2 drinks and it's too much. I hope I did not do this to myself. I always thought that I would have to pay for my alcoholism, but this was nothing I could ever have imagined. I have not had a drink since I found out about this because I thought that my liver would be in to bad of shape for meds. I hope people on this group don't think bad of me. I just wanted to talk to someone who has bad habits just like me-lol. BTW , I have TED in one eye and am waiting for my TSI and TPO results, since my other tests were normal exceppt my TSH. When my Doc told me to quit smoking, I did. It lasted for 4 days and then I started again. I hate this addiction! Take care. Donna > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > discuss our choices, etc... > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > nights. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Donna, we're in the same boat in a lot of ways. I think I do a lot more damage to myself than in your case. I smoke almost a 1/2 pack a day at least and drink every night. Last night I was out until last call, than had more. It's a social thing though. It's my " lifestyle " . I kind of have this image to keep up a bit, and sometimes it catches up with me. I'm starting to get worried or perhaps just burn out on the same routine of partying, you know? I definately have some eye issues. I've been a smoker for 12 years.I wish I could stop too. I don't want to get too dramatic here... - > > Hey, I figured I'd ask if there's anyone else in this group with a > > similar lifestyle to mine so that we may be able to chat and > > discuss our choices, etc... > > I'm 31 years old. I smoke, drink, take drugs every so often and > > am Hyperthyroid. I've been on Proply. I take 50MG twice a day, > > usually with coffee in the morning and alchohol at night. > > I was really sick when I was finally diagnosed with 2 very scary > > visits to the emergency room about 5 years ago. > > I'm a musician so I tour a lot and hang out late and have fun. I > > also feel pretty crappy most of the time. > > Anyway, more later if there's others out there who share my late > > nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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