Guest guest Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:15:17 EDT Schwendel2@... writes: > Hi, ! However, any > suggestions > as to another milk subsitute, good for drinking alone? > > * We use Dari-free. LJ had the Pacific rice too in the beginning till I found out about an allergy to rice. Dari-free is a thicker milk if made properly according to directions. It tastes like a vanilla milkshake that has melted down. It comes in choc. too. You can get it through Miss Robens - 1- for a catalog www.missroben.com for their web. Dari-free is a potato based bev. rich in calcium and vitamins. on Long Island New York * ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 I noticed that the Pacific Rice Milk had carageenan in it. Isn't that a type of MSG? Jo (South Carolina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Thanks ........ we're actually in the UK, which seems to be several years behind the US as far as the GFCF diet is concerned, but I'll check to see if your suggestions (or something similar) are available here. Love Eileen and __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Fay, I found this article: http://thyroid.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa041202a.htm Does that suffice? At 09:24 PM 8/18/2003, you wrote: >I'm going to kick myself for asking - it's on the tip of my brain - but >why is soy not good for hypo people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I have a few here also. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/50459.htm http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4620/ http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydoerge.htm www.truthaboutsoy.com/ You can find MANY more sites promoting soy. Those are easy to find. Yes, the lowering of thyroid hormone sounds great, but the fact that some claim soy causes lack of proper absorption of nutrients from the other foods you eat... and as hypers we are nutrient deficient, was a gamble in my mind. Then after seeing several reports of possible increase of breast cancer, as a DES daughter, and with a family history of breast cancer ( all my aunties) my choice on this debate became VERY clear. Nope... no soy in this house. The soy ranting and ravings to never allow it are also very much alive and well in most all the ADD forums. I have seen many parents with babies raised on soy as active members. They stop the soy and all have seen some improvement in the now, young children. Since hypo and ADD would appear the same to anyone, it is yet another sad situation. Oh... And my Aunties with breast cancer: All are alive and well. They all went through complete mastectomies and the rounds of treatments. The most interesting part of the whole thing to ME... is the fact that they all were either HYPO or HYPO due to RAI. They all were overweight and depressed. And all took HRT to feel better. ALL still completely trust their doctors as to their replacement thyroid dose, and do not believe there thyroid has anything to do with any of the current ailments. Quite a Xmas gathering. The other woman there,was my cousin, who though several years younger than I, has also had breast cancer. As the only woman there still OK, I was not to be listened to about anything concerning thyroid. Powerless. And still am. A big group of older women , all sisters, is simply not going to listen to a 'child'. :-( So there is one real life story that DOES fit with the studies trying to show HYPO people are more likely to develop cancers. As always... more than you asked Fay. :-) -Pam L- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 My use of soy has been extensive. I used it to eliminate PMS from my life and regulate periods. My moods improved within a few weeks. I've used soy like this for 30 years and have not yet gone menapausal. I am a believer in soy, though it is not for everyone. It is not for hypOs, ADD or AD HD. I also think other areas of diet need to be attended to when using soy. Just as hypOs should not eat broccolli or other cabbage veggies (it bloats them and makes them more hypO) a balanced diet for your body's needs is the thing. Among my family, the Japanese side has had far better health than the European side. . . at least those who followed traditional diets more than the others. Soy alone is not a whole protien and tofu is a mega dose. Keep looking at what works for you- Sherry DiaX'ed August 2002 Refused RAI in Oct. '02 Overdosed on tap Nov '02 Got the guts to try tap in Jan '03 Been feeling great since (only a touch of hypO once in a while) Down from 20mgs a day to 1.25mgs (breaking pills is a bit_h) Loving life again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Sherry, Glad you are here to tell the other side of the story concerning soy. Yes... I am one that will never allow it past my lips. ;-) But I am also aware we really are all different. You made the two interesting remarks about soy and protein, perhaps there is more on the subject the others here should know ? Though the subject regarding you not hitting menopause yet is lacking in power without disclosing your age. ( oh my... not sure how to ask your age politely, and never cared before... LOL ) :-) -Pam L- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Fay, I never know when I go off on one of my tangents. But the breast cancer history is always in my mind, and the subject of soy menopause, breast cancer... in a thyroid group all fits in a way. I strongly believe under treated hypo is the cause of all my Aunties and the cousin's breast cancer, when obviously combined with the other genetics. Out of six sisters, we had five there with past breast cancer. The other sister no ones knows where she is ( my Mom). Two females of my generation, the other one already diagnosed and treated successfully. Studies I have seen say there will be some in such a group to NOT get it. That seems to be my main idea and I refuse to dwell on it, as it does put me in good shape if you were gambling. Though the DES daughter thing says I would be more likely than the rest. I keep plugging away at this thyroid stuff as if my life depended on it, and well it may. No hypo for me. My questions for you: Were your family members with breast cancer hypo? and Why is " Auntie " not from here ? They were Auntie from since I was knee high to a grasshopper. :-) Grandma came to Oregon in a wagon. We are all still here. -Pam L- 3 1/2 years Graves', TED, and PTU. Remission due to SLOW reduction of PTU (despite an incompetent endo ! ), improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition, herbs, and looking at the big picture. Pills alone only help the symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Hi ! You said: Does anyone have any information on soy, thyroid and men? Just curious as my brother-in-law also has Graves disease. It come on after following the Atkins diet for a couple of years. Was wondering if the increase in soy intake while on Atkins may have played a part in his Graves becoming active. Just musing. First thought that comes to my mind is the fact that most of us are hypo before we become hyper. So perhaps his hypo phase, and not being aware of why he was gaining weight, caused Atkins diet, then untreated hypo antibodies had the advantage ??? We just had a brilliant young woman from South African as a house guest, as she begins her college search. She has Hashis and is fighting her weight like a fanatic. Went to the gym most days. Odd in her first few days ever in America. I saw the soy diet drinks, the herbal diet pill things and before my eyes I feared Graves' in her future. Have you noticed how many join after these pills. Containers are coming out of the garbage, ingredients looked up, and some how we feel we must tell her Mom, who is a researcher and physician. But this seems like it will require very careful diplomacy. Sometimes I know I must look to others like some kind of thyroid nut case, but does this not scream danger ??? Anyone... So this is todays dilemma on my home front. She is on the plane now. Beautiful, brilliant and 21... oh my... -Pam L- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Pam, was following your discussion about breast cancer and hypo. I had a quack doctor who put me on an overdose of ATDs, went severly hypo and developed breast lumps. Supposed to be fibrocystic breast condition caused by funky estrogen levels due to hypo. I haven't been able to find anyone else that this happened to, but I know that fibro breasts can increase chances of breast cancer. So I wonder about your idea of hypo and breast cancer being linked in some way. Anyway, interesting idea. I think there might be something to that K Re: Re:Soy > Fay, > > I never know when I go off on one of my tangents. > But the breast cancer history is always in my mind, and the subject of soy > menopause, breast cancer... in a thyroid group all fits in a way. > > I strongly believe under treated hypo is the cause of all my Aunties and the > cousin's breast cancer, when obviously combined with the other genetics. > Out of six sisters, we had five there with past breast cancer. The other > sister no ones knows where she is ( my Mom). > Two females of my generation, the other one already diagnosed and treated > successfully. > > Studies I have seen say there will be some in such a group to NOT get it. > That seems to be my main idea and I refuse to dwell on it, as it does put me > in good shape if you were gambling. Though the DES daughter thing says I > would be more likely than the rest. > > I keep plugging away at this thyroid stuff as if my life depended on it, and > well it may. No hypo for me. > > My questions for you: > Were your family members with breast cancer hypo? > and > Why is " Auntie " not from here ? They were Auntie from since I was knee high > to a grasshopper. :-) Grandma came to Oregon in a wagon. We are all still > here. > > -Pam L- > 3 1/2 years Graves', TED, and PTU. Remission due to SLOW reduction of PTU > (despite an incompetent endo ! ), improved lifestyle, excellent nutrition, > herbs, and looking at the big picture. > Pills alone only help the symptoms. We must help our bodies to heal. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 asks about soy affecting men. The more potent form, as isoflavones, has an estrogen-like effect, which is why I was taking it for what I though was perimenopause (actually Graves' symptoms). I think that was one trigger for my Graves', and it could be the hormonal effect would make men more vulnerable too. My 45 year old sister has had a hard time losing weight since she stopped breastfeeding her boys years ago. She's had some luck with a diet based on her blood type (Dr. D'Adamo; his son has a book out on this). But I've been nagging her about problems with soy and she recently told me that she stopped eating it--and since then has started to lose weight. That does suggest it was slowing her thyroid. Best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 > My questions for you: > Were your family members with breast cancer hypo? No. AFAI can tell I've introduced thyroid disorder into my family, though there are other autoimmune things in my family's past and current history. > and > Why is " Auntie " not from here ? They were Auntie from since I was > knee high > to a grasshopper. :-) Grandma came to Oregon in a wagon. We are all > still > here. You're right - I should have thought of " Auntie Em, " if nothing else. I just spent a weekend with English relatives and hadn't been exposed to too many other Aunties on this side of the pond before I got married. I think there was also something in the cadence of the post that made me think: Commonwealth. Take care, Fay ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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