Re: got the word on my biopsy and now have even more questions

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Thanks for your helpful insite. :-) I don't really know what they looked at

in the biopsy that confirmed Hashimotos.....I'll have to ask my endo when I see

him early next month. But he was pretty sure that was what they would find

when he sent it off to the lab....perhaps he specifically asked them to check

for something other than cancer? I think that is what he believes has enlarged

my thyroid.

So if you go hypo, you say you do thryoid horomone replacement. Would that be

in conjunction with continuing to take the ATD drug? Is that the block and

replace therapy I've seen mentioned on the board? Oh my.....I feel like Alice

thru the looking glass....curiouser and curiouser! Hopefully once I get out of

hyper and into the " zone " of normal for me, I won't swing the other way. I

don't much like how the hyper is making me feel and from what I've seen shared

hypo is even worse for some so I'd just as soon pass on that, thank you very

much! LOL

My multi is really good I tell ya! It even has selenium in it.....the RDA of

70 mcg. I loathe brazil nuts! Yuckky!!!! Not sure why, they just are not

something I would enjoy eating, so I'm glad my multi has me covered. :-)It is

the

one that has the zinc and copper at about a 7 to 1 ratio.....so there is no

way I could cut back on the zinc with that. Perhaps I should just eliminate the

extra 2 mg. of copper I was taking to bring the ratio down a bit. I thought I

read somewhere that a 5 to 1 is better, so that is why I added the extra bit.

It's so tricky trying to get these vitamins and minerals to all balance out!

I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me .

Have you heard back from the doctor yet with your lab results? I'm keeping you

in

my prayers. Have a wonderful day.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have hashi's and graves. It is truly a balancing act. I have found that

certain foods at different times affect me different ways. For example, I

can eat shellfish without problems and then at other times, I feel horrible.

I'm interested in what the others tell you about the minerals/vitamins, etc.

Good luck!

Ann Marie

got the word on my biopsy and now have even more

questions

Hi All,

Just heard from the endo's office last night that I do not have cancer! Yeah!

So that is happy news. But the results did show that I have Hashimotos as

well as Graves. I know it's possible to have both, but I'm wondering about

how to

manage both at once as far as lifestyle, because isn't what is good for the

one bad for the other? Do you still need to avoid iodine, or am I not getting

enough iodine? Should I eat the foods that suppress my thyroid or try to

avoid

them? Does that impact my vitamin supplements? Should I try to up my zinc?

I'm

on a multi that has about a 7 to 1 ratio of zinc to copper, and I have also

been taking an extra 2 mg. of copper so that brings it down to about a 6 or 5

to 1 ratio. Should this change? Yikes! It is so hard to figure out this

balancing act. The endo's office said my treatment will stay the same, she

just

confirmed when I asked her that the goal is still to use the ATD's to get to

the

target normal zone for myself where I feel good and God willing go into

remission. Advice, comments and observations are welcome! :-)

I also saw an ophthalmologist this week, and I do have a mild case of the

TED. My right eye is about 2 mm further out than my left. I just knew

something

was up as it has felt so weird these past few months. He was very encouraging

though.....said my prognosis is very good as I don't have anything going on

with my optic nerve and I'm not seeing double or anything like that right

now;

and he'd be surprised if it got worse, and in fact felt it would improve as

my

thyroid improves. Let's pray so! I have to go back for a couple more tests in

2

weeks.....one is measure how dry my eyes are, and the other is some field

vision test I think he said. Apart from the flaxseed oil, should I do any eye

exercises? What else can I do to help keep my eyes from getting worse and/or

reverse what's going on? He did change the eye drops I was using and said to

use

the Genteal gel at night, and continue using the Refresh tears during the

day....at least every 2-3 hours.

Thanks again for all the knowledge and generosity in sharing it that you all

display. Keep on fighting the good fight everybody!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank goodness about your not having cancer! Glad to hear it!

As for being told you have Hashi's, I'm curious on what basis. Was it

because you have TPO antibodies, or some other indicator?

I am new to this, but from what I understand, thyroid disease is a

" spectrum " disorder, and it is possible to swing from hyper to hypO (people

can have Graves' and Hashi's at different times). Perhaps it is a matter of

what is being expressed at the time, as in what symptoms predominate at any

one point in time. So if you are hyper right now, I think you would

continue your treatment for Graves'. I don't know of any specific treatment

for Hashi's (unless you are hypO, and that would entail adding thyroid

hormone replacement), though have read that selenium (100-200mcg/day) can

help with the TPO antibodies. I also read that brazil nuts are loaded with

selenium, and you probably only would need a very small amount (as in 1/8

to 1/4 of an ounce), but you don't want too much selenium, as it can be

toxic in higher quantities. I am still learning about this stuff myself, as

I also have TPO antibodies, and selenium may reduce inflammation. Anyway, I

don't imagine it would hurt to have a brazil nut or two! Also, if it were

me, I would be careful about adding too much copper (i.e., no more than 2

mg per day in supplement form), regardless of what's going on; to me, I

wouldn't want to take above 100% RDA of anything, even if it is a

" balancing of the ratio. " Better to cut the zinc, I think.

These are just my thoughts.

Take care,

At 12:48 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>Just heard from the endo's office last night that I do not have cancer! Yeah!

>So that is happy news. But the results did show that I have Hashimotos as

>well as Graves. I know it's possible to have both, but I'm wondering about

>how to

>manage both at once as far as lifestyle, because isn't what is good for the

>one bad for the other? Do you still need to avoid iodine, or am I not getting

>enough iodine? Should I eat the foods that suppress my thyroid or try to

>avoid

>them? Does that impact my vitamin supplements? Should I try to up my zinc?

>I'm

>on a multi that has about a 7 to 1 ratio of zinc to copper, and I have also

>been taking an extra 2 mg. of copper so that brings it down to about a 6 or 5

>to 1 ratio. Should this change?

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Good news about your biopsy! What a relief!

I'm also in the Grave's and Hashi's club. It is a balancing act and really

all the doctors can do is treat the one that is predominanting at the time.

As for 's question about how they determined that you have

Hashi's...I'm assuming when they did the biopsy, the thyroid cells must have

shown evidence of Hashi's. If I recall correctly from reading about Hashi's

on www.thyroidmanager.org, a biopsy of the thyroid tissue would contain

Hurthle (sp?) cells. Might also have seen fibrosis.

Re: got the word on my biopsy and now have even

more questions

> Hey ,

>

> Thanks for your helpful insite. :-) I don't really know what they looked

at

> in the biopsy that confirmed Hashimotos.....I'll have to ask my endo when

I see

> him early next month. But he was pretty sure that was what they would find

> when he sent it off to the lab....perhaps he specifically asked them to

check

> for something other than cancer? I think that is what he believes has

enlarged

> my thyroid.

>

> So if you go hypo, you say you do thryoid horomone replacement. Would that

be

> in conjunction with continuing to take the ATD drug? Is that the block and

> replace therapy I've seen mentioned on the board? Oh my.....I feel like

Alice

> thru the looking glass....curiouser and curiouser! Hopefully once I get

out of

> hyper and into the " zone " of normal for me, I won't swing the other way. I

> don't much like how the hyper is making me feel and from what I've seen

shared

> hypo is even worse for some so I'd just as soon pass on that, thank you

very

> much! LOL

>

> My multi is really good I tell ya! It even has selenium in it.....the RDA

of

> 70 mcg. I loathe brazil nuts! Yuckky!!!! Not sure why, they just are not

> something I would enjoy eating, so I'm glad my multi has me covered. :-)It

is the

> one that has the zinc and copper at about a 7 to 1 ratio.....so there is

no

> way I could cut back on the zinc with that. Perhaps I should just

eliminate the

> extra 2 mg. of copper I was taking to bring the ratio down a bit. I

thought I

> read somewhere that a 5 to 1 is better, so that is why I added the extra

bit.

> It's so tricky trying to get these vitamins and minerals to all balance

out!

>

> I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me .

> Have you heard back from the doctor yet with your lab results? I'm keeping

you in

> my prayers. Have a wonderful day.

>

>

>

>

>