SV: Re butter

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As far as I can see, there are two big problems.

The first is technical: How to eliminate all traces etc. I thoroughly agree

with Jay about this.

The second has to do with the difficulty of interpreting correctly whether or

not the quantity that's being ingested is harmful or not. The individual

differences seem to be very great.

* Some are extremely sensitive to trace amounts, while others seem to tolerate

rather more without showing any harmful effects

* However, tolerance will not be static. Amounts that don't produce a reaction

2 months into the diet may be clearly recognisable as harmful 6 months into the

diet. This has to do with habituation AND the famous bell-shaped dose response

curve.

* Add to this the time delay problem, and the fact that a continued small

intake may " mask " the problems caused by the first dose.

One small morsel of recent personal experience, about time delays :-(

Our son found and chewed a small amount of hard bisciuit cake on thursday 13

days ago. He might have eaten as much as an entire (small) biscuit. The thing

contains both butter and wheat flour. Gross weight perhaps 5 grams, and most of

it fat and carbohydrate.

We gave him a dose of SerenAid right away, and saw no apparent reaction until

the following tuesday = 5 days delay. Of course, the reaction that started on

tuesday might have been caused by a hidden infraction some time during the

weekend. You never can know that kind of thing for sure, but we've seen the

same pattern so many times that I don't think there has been a second slip-up.

The normal delay is about 2-3 days, but the " normal " infraction (once every

other month or so) is much smaller.

From tuesday, things got gradually worse, and remained very difficult for about

one week. Today, at last, he's showing signs of calming down.

He's 18 years old now, and quite strong when he throws his weight about, so it's

become a strain on our family when he goes berserk. He's been restless, talking

rather more than usual and not too bad when left to himself. He appears to have

had great difficulty interpreting or accepting instructions of any kind, and he

has resisted, screamed and fled if we, for instance, have tried to make him

leave our car to go into a shop, or to take his bath in the evening.

He's not been " unsocial " : Repeatedly, he's taken my hand up to his cheek and

given it a hug, and he's made me stroke his hair a lot, but it's been very hard

to catch and keep his attention.

He's been devilishly quick with his " tidying up " mania, that always accompanies

this behavioral phase after a diet infringement. It's a kind of

obsessive-compulsive behaviour. Anything that's left for itself more than a few

seconds, will disappear into wherever he thinks it belongs. In the course of 2

hours, he managed to whisk away my hands-free set for the car phone, my glasses,

my keys and a number of other things that we really needed. All this in spite

of extreme vigilance on our part. I've tried staring him down, telling him to

return things to where he took them. He returns them, and then immeadietly

tries to pick them up. As long as I look, he's usually able to control himself,

but I see that he's struggling against very strong internal forces. As soon as

I look away, he's off with whatever he considers should be tidied away.

Afterwards, he sometimes remembers where he put things, and returns my keys to

me when I ask for them. More commonly, however, he forgets completely where

he's left things, and we have to search. My glasses turned up at the bottom of

his satchel.....

Today, at last, it appears that we're going back to normal.....

Yours blissfully

n Klaveness

www.advimoss.no/GFCF_results

www.advimoss.no/GFCF_survey

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Fra: Kinnikinnick Foods Inc. Info Desk

Til: GFCFKids <GFCFKids >

Dato: 26. juni 2001 20:02

Emne: Re butter

>

>>

>>If you were to clarify regular butter, you would essentially remove

>>all of the milk protein and the casein content would be negligible.

>

>Take this as you wish. I'm no biochemist and I know a lot of folks are

>using ghee but..

>

>I simply don't believe that any process that you or anyone else can perform

>in your kitchen can completely remove all traces of casein. Certainly a

>physical process like skimming is going to leave traces. Remember also that

>the commercially made ghee is not made specifically for the diet.

>Manufacturers are making it because it is a traditional food and I'm sure

>they don't really worry about trace or " negligible " amounts. Perhaps

> " negligible " but the important thing to remember is that one of things

>about GFCF is that we are dealing with a chemical process on the molecular

>level.

>

>I've seen n post the breakdown of how many opiod molecules that a

>single gluten or casein molecule can produce but its quite a few. A few

>stray molecules can possibly create enough harmful molecules to make a

>difference. Multiply the number molecules by the number of ingestions in a

>day and over a week, the amount is not at all insignificant.

>

>This whole issue is similar to the wheat starch debate in the celiac world.

>In some countries, wheat starch is allowable for a celiac diet and some it

>is not. Canadian regulations prevent anything using wheat starch to be

>labelled GF. There are no regulations in the US but all the major support

>groups and associations don't not allow it. Still, some feel that it is

>safe and choose to use it. There are no regulations at all regarding casein

>content.....

>----------------------------------------------

>Jay Bigam