Nee Help with OAT Test results

[Guest guest]

I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any

of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

Yeast and Fungal Markers

5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

Arabinose 50 H 364

Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

Succinic 23 H 30

HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

Oxalate Metabolites

Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

Krebs Cycle Metabolites

Succinic 23 H 30

Neurotransmitter Metabolites

Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

Indicators of Detoxification

Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

Very Low Vit C and Low B6

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http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/full_oat.asp

This might help.

Nee Help with OAT Test results

I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.Yeast and Fungal Markers5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35Arabinose 50 H 364Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47Succinic 23 H 30HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354Oxalate MetabolitesOxalic 35 - 185 H 263Glycolytic Cycle MetabolitesPyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15Krebs Cycle MetabolitesSuccinic 23 H 30Neurotransmitter MetabolitesKynurenic 4.2 H 4.9Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.54-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1Indicators of DetoxificationPyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2Very Low Vit C and Low B6

[Guest guest]

Thank You Cheryl. I have further questions....

For Yeast and Clostridia , Do Parents usually start both antifungals and

antibacterial at the same time?

Your comment on Bs. You meant to start with a B complex vitamin?

You are right about low protein because we are vegetarians.

I am also considering starting L Carnitine on Dr's recommendation as this was

below normal levels in the serum test.

>

> > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if

any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> >

> > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > Arabinose 50 H 364

> >

> >

> Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST.

Woo hoo!

>

> > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> >

>

> Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

>

> >

> > Oxalate Metabolites

> > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> >

>

> Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something

to look into.

>

> >

> > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> >

> Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> >

> > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> >

> If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down

is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully

be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be

the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard

to say where the main problem is.

>

> >

> > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> >

> Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

>

> >

> > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> >

> Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B

deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the

same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't,

you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic

issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on

protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every

other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein

popsicles on my blog).

>

> >

> > Indicators of Detoxification

> > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> >

> Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria.

Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you

address those other things.

>

> > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> >

>

> High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to

take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of

protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my

son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you

can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the

problem won't go away.

>

> >

> > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> >

> >

> No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

>

>

> So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever

therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be

aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put

space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and

you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is

more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less

labs!

>

> Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank You Cheryl. I have further questions....

For Yeast and Clostridia , Do Parents usually start both antifungals and

antibacterial at the same time?

Your comment on Bs. You meant to start with a B complex vitamin?

You are right about low protein because we are vegetarians.

I am also considering starting L Carnitine on Dr's recommendation as this was

below normal levels in the serum test.

>

> > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if

any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> >

> > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > Arabinose 50 H 364

> >

> >

> Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST.

Woo hoo!

>

> > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> >

>

> Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

>

> >

> > Oxalate Metabolites

> > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> >

>

> Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something

to look into.

>

> >

> > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> >

> Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> >

> > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> >

> If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down

is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully

be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be

the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard

to say where the main problem is.

>

> >

> > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> >

> Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

>

> >

> > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> >

> Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B

deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the

same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't,

you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic

issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on

protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every

other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein

popsicles on my blog).

>

> >

> > Indicators of Detoxification

> > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> >

> Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria.

Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you

address those other things.

>

> > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> >

>

> High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to

take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of

protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my

son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you

can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the

problem won't go away.

>

> >

> > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> >

> >

> No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

>

>

> So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever

therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be

aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put

space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and

you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is

more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less

labs!

>

> Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

>

[Guest guest]

Comments within:

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Thank You Cheryl. I have further questions....

For Yeast and Clostridia , Do Parents usually start both antifungals and antibacterial at the same time? Personally, I would at least give it a week on an antifungal so I could see what happened during die off and then add the antibiotic and watch for more die off. Antibiotics you can never really be sure if you're going to see anything get worse before they get better you'll want to be extra observant for what goes away.

Your comment on Bs. You meant to start with a B complex vitamin? You'll discuss that with your doctor. I typically think you should start Bs singularly and not do a complex until you know how your child will react to each B. My son can't tolerate much of any Bs at all.

You are right about low protein because we are vegetarians.

I am also considering starting L Carnitine on Dr's recommendation as this was below normal levels in the serum test.All of your proteins are going to be low. He's not absorbing much of any but if you're Indian (I'm only assuming from your name so forgive me if that's wrong), that usually doesn't automatically translate to low protein. There are plenty of grains in the Indian diet that provide protein. But when you've got a kid that has difficulty absorbing protein... That might improve when you treat yeast and bacteria but it also might not. I have a very good Indian vegetarian Indian friend that had to eventually start allowing her son to eat chicken and eggs. : / No matter what, the biggest key here is to remember to take it slow. Don't try to attack everything at once. It almost always fails when you do because you end up hitting a big fat wall at some point and you have no idea why. So many people give up at that point. Take it slow, don't start too much at once. Some of these protein issues might clear up just from treating yeast, bacteria and adding in Bs. So don't go nuts trying to treat everything right now. Take it slow and you'll find that you have a lot less hitches that those that take it too fast.

>

> > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> >

> > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > Arabinose 50 H 364

> >

> >

> Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

>

> > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> >

>

> Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

>

> >

> > Oxalate Metabolites

> > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> >

>

> Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

>

> >

> > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> >

> Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> >

> > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> >

> If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

>

> >

> > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> >

> Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

>

> >

> > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> >

> Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

>

> >

> > Indicators of Detoxification

> > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> >

> Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

>

> > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> >

>

> High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

>

> >

> > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> >

> >

> No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

>

>

> So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

>

> Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

>

[Guest guest]

Comments within:

~ Antiviral Therapy 101~~ Make a biomed book ~~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

Thank You Cheryl. I have further questions....

For Yeast and Clostridia , Do Parents usually start both antifungals and antibacterial at the same time? Personally, I would at least give it a week on an antifungal so I could see what happened during die off and then add the antibiotic and watch for more die off. Antibiotics you can never really be sure if you're going to see anything get worse before they get better you'll want to be extra observant for what goes away.

Your comment on Bs. You meant to start with a B complex vitamin? You'll discuss that with your doctor. I typically think you should start Bs singularly and not do a complex until you know how your child will react to each B. My son can't tolerate much of any Bs at all.

You are right about low protein because we are vegetarians.

I am also considering starting L Carnitine on Dr's recommendation as this was below normal levels in the serum test.All of your proteins are going to be low. He's not absorbing much of any but if you're Indian (I'm only assuming from your name so forgive me if that's wrong), that usually doesn't automatically translate to low protein. There are plenty of grains in the Indian diet that provide protein. But when you've got a kid that has difficulty absorbing protein... That might improve when you treat yeast and bacteria but it also might not. I have a very good Indian vegetarian Indian friend that had to eventually start allowing her son to eat chicken and eggs. : / No matter what, the biggest key here is to remember to take it slow. Don't try to attack everything at once. It almost always fails when you do because you end up hitting a big fat wall at some point and you have no idea why. So many people give up at that point. Take it slow, don't start too much at once. Some of these protein issues might clear up just from treating yeast, bacteria and adding in Bs. So don't go nuts trying to treat everything right now. Take it slow and you'll find that you have a lot less hitches that those that take it too fast.

>

> > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> >

> > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > Arabinose 50 H 364

> >

> >

> Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

>

> > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> >

>

> Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

>

> >

> > Oxalate Metabolites

> > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> >

>

> Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

>

> >

> > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> >

> Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> >

> > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > Succinic 23 H 30

> >

> If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

>

> >

> > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> >

> Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

>

> >

> > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> >

> Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

>

> >

> > Indicators of Detoxification

> > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> >

> Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

>

> > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> >

>

> High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

>

> >

> > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> >

> >

> No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

>

>

> So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

>

> Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast

and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin

supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16

(ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be

a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know

if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has:

YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but

something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks

down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will

hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could

also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so

it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B

deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the

same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't,

you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic

issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on

protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every

other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein

popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and

bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when

you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going

to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot

of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my

son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you

can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the

problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever

therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be

aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put

space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and

you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is

more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less

labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast

and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin

supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16

(ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be

a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know

if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has:

YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but

something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks

down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will

hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could

also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so

it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B

deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the

same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't,

you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic

issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on

protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every

other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein

popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and

bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when

you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going

to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot

of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my

son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you

can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the

problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever

therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be

aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put

space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and

you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is

more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less

labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

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My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16 (ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You might want to try low oxalate diet and if nothing else Epsom salts baths. Check into yahoo group- trying_low_oxalates@...Sent from my iPhone

My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16 (ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry- that'st trying_low_oxalates Sent from my iPhone

You might want to try low oxalate diet and if nothing else Epsom salts baths. Check into yahoo group- trying_low_oxalates@...Sent from my iPhone

My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16 (ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

TODAY(Beta) •

[Guest guest]

Sorry- that'st trying_low_oxalates Sent from my iPhone

You might want to try low oxalate diet and if nothing else Epsom salts baths. Check into yahoo group- trying_low_oxalates@...Sent from my iPhone

My daughter's recent OAT test shows high B6, B5 and B2 along with ofcourse yeast and clostridia markers. What does the high Bs mean ? She is on high B vitamin supplements though! Her oxalic is 663 (ref range is 15-174) and Glyceric is 16 (ref range is 0.71-9.5) Does this mean she needs low oxalate diet or can this be a sign of the yeast and clostridial issues as well?

Thanks in advance

Pratima

> > >

> > > > I have an appointment in couple of weeks with our DAN but wanted to know if any of you can help me better understand this. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Yeast and Fungal Markers

> > > > 5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 28 H 35

> > > > Arabinose 50 H 364

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Congratulations, you have what just about every child with autism has: YEAST. Woo hoo!

> > >

> > > > Malabsorption and Bacterial Markers

> > > > 4-Hydroxyhippuric 30 H 47

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > > HPHPA (Clostridia Marker) 220 H 354

> > > >

> > >

> > > Woo hoo! Clostridia too!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Oxalate Metabolites

> > > > Oxalic 35 - 185 H 263

> > > >

> > >

> > > Oxalates are high. Not necessarily necessitating a low ox diet but something to look into.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Glycolytic Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Pyruvic 0.32 - 8.8 H 15

> > > >

> > > Probably high because of the B6 deficiency, yeast and bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Krebs Cycle Metabolites

> > > > Succinic 23 H 30

> > > >

> > > If one part of the Krebs cycle is off, all of it is off. Where it breaks down is hard to say. It probably started with the Pyruvic tho. Which will hopefully be addressed when you treat B deficiency, yeast and clostridia. Could also be the low proteins. These are all interconnected with the Krebs cycle so it's hard to say where the main problem is.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Neurotransmitter Metabolites

> > > > Kynurenic 4.2 H 4.9

> > > > Quinolinc / 5-HIAA Ratio 2.5 H 9.0

> > > >

> > > Inflammation markers. Congratulations again. No surprises.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation

> > > > 3-Hydroxybutyric 4.8 H 6.5

> > > > 4-Hydroxybutyric 4.7 H 12

> > > > Sebacic 0.61 H 1.1

> > > >

> > > Not absorbing enough proteins and fatty acids. Probably also affected by B deficiency. (What I would do [but I'm not a DAN and your DAN might not do the same] Start with Bs first and see if the absorption goes up. If it doesn't, you'll try supplementing. If it still doesn't go up, you likely have a genetic issue and more protein isn't going to help so stop spending so much money on protein supplements and Omegas and such. Switch to giving Omegas and such every other day instead, try to eat more protein (I have a recipe for protein popsicles on my blog).

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Indicators of Detoxification

> > > > Pyroglutamic13 - 62 H 67

> > > >

> > > Low glutathione. Might be addressed when addressing Bs, yeast and bacteria. Wouldn't try supplementing first, would wait and see what happens when you address those other things.

> > >

> > > > Orotic 0.04 - 0.80 H 1.2

> > > >

> > >

> > > High ammonia. With this, combined with low protein absorption, I'm going to take a guess and say it's genetic. Especially if your child doesn't eat a lot of protein. It's a guess, that's all. But I make that assumption because its my son. Just go ahead and invest in Yucca and never stop giving it. I mean, you can, but you'll just likely need to give it again if it's genetic because the problem won't go away.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Very Low Vit C and Low B6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > No surprises. But I can't remember if C is low ox or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > So, hope that helps! Go ahead and start a biomed book now. Start whatever therapy you start one at a time and make sure you take copious notes. Always be aware of what you're doing, the responses - both positive and negative, and put space between each thing you add so you don't confuse them. Do this now and you'll be able to learn what causes what type of behavior in your child which is more valuable than any lab you can pay for. That and you'll be able to get less labs!

> > >

> > > Link in my signature for a biomed book if you need one.

> > >

> >

> >

>

TODAY(Beta) •