Son trying to hide in closets, laundry room and hiding face under pillows

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some changes. His

moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy and sessions

and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when he has to wait

for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He keeps going into

my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes out smiling. He is

spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this before also when

he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was seeing improvement

also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or custom probiotics is

somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in visual stimms also. A

couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has done several times in

the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both naturals and

prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make funny sounds,

laughs a lot and asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit

down with him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do

some work now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did

exceptional with the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is

going thru. Are probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die

off?

Any input will be appreciated.

is

[Guest guest]

Thanks . My uncle suggested photophobia also. Some other signs also suggest

photobia in my son as he starts squinting also. When he tries to go in the

closets, he has a very happy silly look on his face. Initially I thought that

this was related to yeasty, silly behavior. But then I saw him lying upside down

on sofa and he keeps pressing on his eyes whenever in stress. These symptoms are

episodic. Mostly come when he is on antifungals or some other treatment. I have

been looking into vision therapy. But of course it is expensive and still

considered controversial. And I keep thinking that if it indeed is related to

some pathogen, it will not just get better with therapy. We have to start

antivirals in the next few weeks and I am hoping that it will help. I looked at

your suggestions for the supplements and I like the list. I loved the curcumin

last year when I first started it but then my son's phenol sensitivity got worse

and I couldn't use it any more. He generally doesn't do well on the enzymes and

I had to stop the no phenol and phenol assist and only use trienza sparingly

now. Probiotics are helping. I am still looking for a good CoQ10/ubiquinol. I

used Dr Mercola's ubiquinol and I don't like the product as it has citrus

extract and my son was clearly miserable because of it and the capsules are not

very good quality. If you know a good brand, let me know. I love the thorne

5mthf and clearly saw improvement with it. Still looking for a good multivitamin

or b-complex. Thanks again for your help.

is

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some changes.

His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy and

sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when he

has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He keeps

going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes out

smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot and

> asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with him

for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work now.

But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with the

puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > Any input will be appreciated.

> >

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tammy. Vitamin C looks really good. If you use B-complex separately, how

do u supplement vitamin A,E,K and minerals? I was thinking to try the brainchild

nutritionals capsules(was warned against liquid as a few batches had mold) but

they are so expensive. Have u used the corn fee liquid vitamin C? I know that

you love vitamin C but so far I have only used it on and off. My son is not

completely on Low oxalate diet and I am not using magnesium citrate with meals

but overall the oxalate content in his diet is low(only gets oxalates thru brown

rice pasta and pears which I rotate). Did u ever look into low oxalate diet and

did you ever hold vitamin C because of it? I am so sorry I always have tons of

questions.

Thanks

is

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some

changes. His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy

and sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when

he has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He

keeps going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes

out smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot

> and

> > asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with

him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work

now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with

the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > > Any input will be appreciated.

> > >

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tammy. Vitamin C looks really good. If you use B-complex separately, how

do u supplement vitamin A,E,K and minerals? I was thinking to try the brainchild

nutritionals capsules(was warned against liquid as a few batches had mold) but

they are so expensive. Have u used the corn fee liquid vitamin C? I know that

you love vitamin C but so far I have only used it on and off. My son is not

completely on Low oxalate diet and I am not using magnesium citrate with meals

but overall the oxalate content in his diet is low(only gets oxalates thru brown

rice pasta and pears which I rotate). Did u ever look into low oxalate diet and

did you ever hold vitamin C because of it? I am so sorry I always have tons of

questions.

Thanks

is

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some

changes. His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy

and sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when

he has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He

keeps going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes

out smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot

> and

> > asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with

him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work

now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with

the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > > Any input will be appreciated.

> > >

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I will look into irlen lenses. This behavior is episodic and often comes on days

when he is overall happy. I have considered parasites and used alinia recently

which was a horrible experience. I tried the alinia tabs without the dye also

and even that almost made him crazy. He is sensitive to naturals because of

phenol issue but I will try something again once his phenol sensitivity is

better(probably in fall). I have been timing his behaviors and I realized that

his behaviors are not related to full moon but I still want to keep parasites in

mind and will keep looking for the right treatment for him. I am definitely not

ready to give MMS a try.

Thanks

is

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some

changes. His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy

and sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when

he has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He

keeps going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes

out smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot and

> > asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with

him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work

now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with

the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > > Any input will be appreciated.

> > >

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I will look into irlen lenses. This behavior is episodic and often comes on days

when he is overall happy. I have considered parasites and used alinia recently

which was a horrible experience. I tried the alinia tabs without the dye also

and even that almost made him crazy. He is sensitive to naturals because of

phenol issue but I will try something again once his phenol sensitivity is

better(probably in fall). I have been timing his behaviors and I realized that

his behaviors are not related to full moon but I still want to keep parasites in

mind and will keep looking for the right treatment for him. I am definitely not

ready to give MMS a try.

Thanks

is

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some

changes. His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy

and sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when

he has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He

keeps going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes

out smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot and

> > asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with

him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work

now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with

the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > > Any input will be appreciated.

> > >

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . What parasite protocol did your friend use? I know that when my

son was on homeotoxicology treatments, the last one was parasite and he did get

a fever of 104 and after we stopped the treatment, he was much calmer especially

in the stimming area. Even though his behaviors are not related to full moon, I

still suspect parasites and will try something soon again.(failed alinia

treatment).

is

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some

changes. His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy

and sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when

he has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He

keeps going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes

out smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot and

> > > asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with

him for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work

now. But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with

the puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > > > Any input will be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > is

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ratan,

I am using oral vancomycin for the clostridia and that covers the clostridium

tetani in the gut. My son did show improvement with vancomycin. I have used vsl3

in the past but it contains strep strain. So now we are using custom probiotics

and it is good so far.

Thanks

is

[Guest guest]

Hi Ratan,

I am using oral vancomycin for the clostridia and that covers the clostridium

tetani in the gut. My son did show improvement with vancomycin. I have used vsl3

in the past but it contains strep strain. So now we are using custom probiotics

and it is good so far.

Thanks

is

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

I do feel like that he is exploring things that he never noticed before. He asks

me to tickle him all the time also and is also taking interest in run and chase.

He definitely has become fun loving again, something that he had lost after

homeotoxicology protocols. and suggested parasites and I will

explore some options for it(not ready for MMS though).

Are you talking about trace minerals liquid vita-mineral? Looks nice but this

also contains citrus bioflavanoids which I was trying to avoid as vitaspectrum

also contains that and I am trying to minimize the phenol load. But it is

available at vitamin shoppe so can easily give it a try.

Since the school is closed, I noticed that he is much calmer although still gets

anxious when he has to wait for food. Placing demands on him also triggers

anger. Custom probiotics and vancomycin is definitely helping. He is back on

diflucan and sensory issues are bad again. I hate these antifungals. I may have

to try sporonox or nizoral next. I havn't been able to do a carb free diet for

him but there was a time a couple months ago when he seemed to have pans flare

and he was barely eating and was also on diflucan and still continued to have

yeast. In his case I think the yeast is a result of antibiotic use. I hope we

don't have to use azithromycin again. I hope that his pans episode will be over

now. We had him on azithromycin when we went to the conference and that probably

helped. Once the school opens, situation will be clearer as now I believe that

there is something or someone at school which causes pans like episodes in him

(pathogen or allergen).

Thanks

is

>

> is,

>

> I always keep oxalates in the back of my mind but I dont see any indications

of Tom having problem with it so we dont do the diet and I dont hold back C.

We dont need the high doses of C any longer but it's always in the house for

coughs/colds.

>

> Anyway, as far as mixing supps, I use a liquid multi. (Trace Minerals. Not

the greatest. Some of the inactive ingredients make me squirmy) BUT, it's one

that my littlest guy will actually take, its one we can afford,

> There's not a sh**load of b -12 in it, it's got the trace minerals,and the

taste makes it easy mix in seperate supps.

>

> So with that said, we use that and add in our own liquid A, E, D, and

iodine. (C if we need to).

> We've been doing really good on just the multi and melatonin for sleep. He

takes small dips here and there so occasionally he needs the extra support.

>

> As far as your little guy hiding in the closet, do you think it's possible

that he just discovered something new and fun to do? He's not doing it when he's

upset or scared so maybe he's just having a good time. Tom went through a phase

of hiding /sneaking up on people and sneaking BY people just to see if he could

do it. It might just be typical little boy behavior & be has found a fun place

to sit and imagine and be alone. Just a thought.

>

> How have his pandas/pans issues been?

> And how was your trip?

>

> Tammy

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

>

>

> _____________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

I do feel like that he is exploring things that he never noticed before. He asks

me to tickle him all the time also and is also taking interest in run and chase.

He definitely has become fun loving again, something that he had lost after

homeotoxicology protocols. and suggested parasites and I will

explore some options for it(not ready for MMS though).

Are you talking about trace minerals liquid vita-mineral? Looks nice but this

also contains citrus bioflavanoids which I was trying to avoid as vitaspectrum

also contains that and I am trying to minimize the phenol load. But it is

available at vitamin shoppe so can easily give it a try.

Since the school is closed, I noticed that he is much calmer although still gets

anxious when he has to wait for food. Placing demands on him also triggers

anger. Custom probiotics and vancomycin is definitely helping. He is back on

diflucan and sensory issues are bad again. I hate these antifungals. I may have

to try sporonox or nizoral next. I havn't been able to do a carb free diet for

him but there was a time a couple months ago when he seemed to have pans flare

and he was barely eating and was also on diflucan and still continued to have

yeast. In his case I think the yeast is a result of antibiotic use. I hope we

don't have to use azithromycin again. I hope that his pans episode will be over

now. We had him on azithromycin when we went to the conference and that probably

helped. Once the school opens, situation will be clearer as now I believe that

there is something or someone at school which causes pans like episodes in him

(pathogen or allergen).

Thanks

is

>

> is,

>

> I always keep oxalates in the back of my mind but I dont see any indications

of Tom having problem with it so we dont do the diet and I dont hold back C.

We dont need the high doses of C any longer but it's always in the house for

coughs/colds.

>

> Anyway, as far as mixing supps, I use a liquid multi. (Trace Minerals. Not

the greatest. Some of the inactive ingredients make me squirmy) BUT, it's one

that my littlest guy will actually take, its one we can afford,

> There's not a sh**load of b -12 in it, it's got the trace minerals,and the

taste makes it easy mix in seperate supps.

>

> So with that said, we use that and add in our own liquid A, E, D, and

iodine. (C if we need to).

> We've been doing really good on just the multi and melatonin for sleep. He

takes small dips here and there so occasionally he needs the extra support.

>

> As far as your little guy hiding in the closet, do you think it's possible

that he just discovered something new and fun to do? He's not doing it when he's

upset or scared so maybe he's just having a good time. Tom went through a phase

of hiding /sneaking up on people and sneaking BY people just to see if he could

do it. It might just be typical little boy behavior & be has found a fun place

to sit and imagine and be alone. Just a thought.

>

> How have his pandas/pans issues been?

> And how was your trip?

>

> Tammy

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

>

>

> _____________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

First I was thinking yeast, but the hiding or the squinting could really be

virus which then causes yeast to flare and you have a not so happt kid,

FWIW, Our eye Dr codes treatment for prism lens and convergence therapies and

other treatments as medical and covered by some insurance.

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I started custom probiotics this week and my son is going thru some changes.

His moods are overall better. He is working much better during therapy and

sessions and is making more spontaneous requests. Still starts crying when he

has to wait for his meals. I am observing some other behaviors as well. He keeps

going into my walk-in closet and closes the door for a second then comes out

smiling. He is spending some time in the dark laundry room also. He did this

before also when he was on gcmaf and nystatin and it was the same time I was

seeing improvement also. I am wondering if this is a sign of yeast die off or

custom probiotics is somehow helping with the viruses also. He is engaging in

visual stimms also. A couple hours ago, he started squinting again which he has

done several times in the past mostly when he is on antiyeast treatments, both

naturals and prescriptions. He overall is relaxed and is always trying to make

funny sounds, laughs a lot and

> asks me to be a horse all day so he can ride on me. When I sit down with him

for therapy, he doesn't like the idea if I say we are gonna do some work now.

But then if I make it interesting, he cooperates. He did exceptional with the

puzzles today. Can anyone help me understand what he is going thru. Are

probiotics helping with viruses also or it is just the yeast die off?

> > Any input will be appreciated.

> >

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have learnt a lot from autism-mercury, autismweb forum and pandas autism also.

But I feel emotionally attached to this group and get a lot of suppory from all

of u here.

is

> > >

> > > is,

> > >

> > > I always keep oxalates in the back of my mind but I dont see any

indications of Tom having problem with it so we dont do the diet and I dont

hold back C. We dont need the high doses of C any longer but it's always in the

house for coughs/colds.

> > >

> > > Anyway, as far as mixing supps, I use a liquid multi. (Trace Minerals.

Not the greatest. Some of the inactive ingredients make me squirmy) BUT, it's

one that my littlest guy will actually take, its one we can afford,

> > > There's not a sh**load of b -12 in it, it's got the trace minerals,and the

taste makes it easy mix in seperate supps.

> > >

> > > So with that said, we use that and add in our own liquid A, E, D, and

iodine. (C if we need to).

> > > We've been doing really good on just the multi and melatonin for sleep.

He takes small dips here and there so occasionally he needs the extra support.

> > >

> > > As far as your little guy hiding in the closet, do you think it's

possible that he just discovered something new and fun to do? He's not doing it

when he's upset or scared so maybe he's just having a good time. Tom went

through a phase of hiding /sneaking up on people and sneaking BY people just to

see if he could do it. It might just be typical little boy behavior & be has

found a fun place to sit and imagine and be alone. Just a thought.

> > >

> > > How have his pandas/pans issues been?

> > > And how was your trip?

> > >

> > > Tammy

> > >

> > > Sent from my Kindle Fire

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____________________________________________

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have learnt a lot from autism-mercury, autismweb forum and pandas autism also.

But I feel emotionally attached to this group and get a lot of suppory from all

of u here.

is

> > >

> > > is,

> > >

> > > I always keep oxalates in the back of my mind but I dont see any

indications of Tom having problem with it so we dont do the diet and I dont

hold back C. We dont need the high doses of C any longer but it's always in the

house for coughs/colds.

> > >

> > > Anyway, as far as mixing supps, I use a liquid multi. (Trace Minerals.

Not the greatest. Some of the inactive ingredients make me squirmy) BUT, it's

one that my littlest guy will actually take, its one we can afford,

> > > There's not a sh**load of b -12 in it, it's got the trace minerals,and the

taste makes it easy mix in seperate supps.

> > >

> > > So with that said, we use that and add in our own liquid A, E, D, and

iodine. (C if we need to).

> > > We've been doing really good on just the multi and melatonin for sleep.

He takes small dips here and there so occasionally he needs the extra support.

> > >

> > > As far as your little guy hiding in the closet, do you think it's

possible that he just discovered something new and fun to do? He's not doing it

when he's upset or scared so maybe he's just having a good time. Tom went

through a phase of hiding /sneaking up on people and sneaking BY people just to

see if he could do it. It might just be typical little boy behavior & be has

found a fun place to sit and imagine and be alone. Just a thought.

> > >

> > > How have his pandas/pans issues been?

> > > And how was your trip?

> > >

> > > Tammy

> > >

> > > Sent from my Kindle Fire

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____________________________________________

> > >

> >

>