Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a response - maybe nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does anyone know of kids/adults that have been cured from yeast overgrowth on SCD? i've heard people in other forums say that SCD did not work for them when the culprit was yeast. i take this with a grain of salt, because i think it's very easy to unknowingly make mistakes on this diet, and if you don't have help from experienced SCDers, you might tend to blame the diet itself. my daughter and i almost certainly have yeast overgrowth, and that is what is causing her eczema and food intolerance and other symptoms. we have been on SCD 3.5 months and i have definitely seen progress...now that we've added coconut oil it's even better...but the eczema is still there, although in reduced amount. so all this has me wondering if SCD can only take us so far with the yeast. any experience or success stories would be greatly appreciated. silvia SCD 3.5 months for eczema, food intolerance, yeast overgrowth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 In another list I subscribe to, there is a file that talks about limiting fruits and higher carb veggies to combat yeast while on SCD. > > i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a response - maybe > nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does anyone know of > kids/adults that have been cured from yeast overgrowth on SCD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 I think the answer is a bit complicated. For some people, yeast overgrowth is solved with SCD, right away. For others, it takes time and for still others, it takes the addition of enzymes and a wide range of probiotics and sometimes even another yeast killer. We have a large family on SCD and we have seen all of these solutions play out. The thing is that yeast is everywhere. It's on the surface of fruit, in juice and even just in the air. It's in our bodies all of the time. It's throughout our bodies too, in our muscles and bones even. So there isn't much chance of having a completley yeast-free person ever. Our goal then is to bring the numbers down and the probiotic numbers up, so that the probiotics can keep the yeast from over growing. Yeast LOVES polysacarides. It's like a great big banquet for them and yeast multiplies fast. So cutting out starches and sugars will kill off a lot of yeast, just by starving them out. If a person has a moderate yeast overgrowth and a strong immune system, that can bring the yeast under control. In my family, my husband and one daughter only needed the diet to bring their yeast count down. My daughter had major die off after three days on the diet! Another daughter needed scd and a strong probiotic to keep her's in check. I was and still am the worst. I am finally seeing my yeast numbers fall after being on scd, using grapefruit seed extract, capryl and vinegar, plus the heftiest probiotic I could find. I'm sure it's because I was a great big yeast farm and because I have an autoimmune disease. For sure once the levels of probiotics are where they should be and the immune system gets strong, SCD is enough to keep the yeast in check. --- Silvia Payne wrote: > i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a > response - maybe > nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does > anyone know of > kids/adults that have been cured from yeast > overgrowth on SCD? i've > heard people in other forums say that SCD did not > work for them when > the culprit was yeast. i take this with a grain of > salt, because i > think it's very easy to unknowingly make mistakes on > this diet, and > if you don't have help from experienced SCDers, you > might tend to > blame the diet itself. > > my daughter and i almost certainly have yeast > overgrowth, and that is > what is causing her eczema and food intolerance and > other symptoms. > we have been on SCD 3.5 months and i have definitely > seen > progress...now that we've added coconut oil it's > even better...but > the eczema is still there, although in reduced > amount. > > so all this has me wondering if SCD can only take us > so far with the > yeast. > > any experience or success stories would be greatly > appreciated. > > silvia > SCD 3.5 months for eczema, food intolerance, yeast > overgrowth > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Oh yes and I also take No Fenols and Prime Zyme. The combination of SCD, GSE and No Fenols has caused the biggest die off so far. --- Silvia Payne wrote: > i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a > response - maybe > nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does > anyone know of > kids/adults that have been cured from yeast > overgrowth on SCD? i've > heard people in other forums say that SCD did not > work for them when > the culprit was yeast. i take this with a grain of > salt, because i > think it's very easy to unknowingly make mistakes on > this diet, and > if you don't have help from experienced SCDers, you > might tend to > blame the diet itself. > > my daughter and i almost certainly have yeast > overgrowth, and that is > what is causing her eczema and food intolerance and > other symptoms. > we have been on SCD 3.5 months and i have definitely > seen > progress...now that we've added coconut oil it's > even better...but > the eczema is still there, although in reduced > amount. > > so all this has me wondering if SCD can only take us > so far with the > yeast. > > any experience or success stories would be greatly > appreciated. > > silvia > SCD 3.5 months for eczema, food intolerance, yeast > overgrowth > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 bnana, thanks for your informative reply! yes i can definitely see us getting to a symptom-free state with SCD, the way things are going. however, i want to eventually be able to eat some grains, dairy, honey, etc. at some point. and i think my daughter and i are like you, with eczema which i believe is an autoimmune disease, so we'll probably take longer than most. are there any others out there who have been healed enough from yeast on SCD, and able to return to limited grains and sugars? > I think the answer is a bit complicated. For some > people, yeast overgrowth is solved with SCD, right > away. For others, it takes time and for still others, > it takes the addition of enzymes and a wide range of > probiotics and sometimes even another yeast killer. > We have a large family on SCD and we have seen all of > these solutions play out. > > The thing is that yeast is everywhere. It's on the > surface of fruit, in juice and even just in the air. > It's in our bodies all of the time. It's throughout > our bodies too, in our muscles and bones even. So > there isn't much chance of having a completley > yeast-free person ever. Our goal then is to bring the > numbers down and the probiotic numbers up, so that the > probiotics can keep the yeast from over growing. > > Yeast LOVES polysacarides. It's like a great big > banquet for them and yeast multiplies fast. So cutting > out starches and sugars will kill off a lot of yeast, > just by starving them out. If a person has a moderate > yeast overgrowth and a strong immune system, that can > bring the yeast under control. > > In my family, my husband and one daughter only needed > the diet to bring their yeast count down. My daughter > had major die off after three days on the diet! > Another daughter needed scd and a strong probiotic to > keep her's in check. I was and still am the worst. I > am finally seeing my yeast numbers fall after being on > scd, using grapefruit seed extract, capryl and > vinegar, plus the heftiest probiotic I could find. > I'm sure it's because I was a great big yeast farm and > because I have an autoimmune disease. > > For sure once the levels of probiotics are where they > should be and the immune system gets strong, SCD is > enough to keep the yeast in check. > > > > --- Silvia Payne wrote: > >> i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a >> response - maybe >> nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does >> anyone know of >> kids/adults that have been cured from yeast >> overgrowth on SCD? i've >> heard people in other forums say that SCD did not >> work for them when >> the culprit was yeast. i take this with a grain of >> salt, because i >> think it's very easy to unknowingly make mistakes on >> this diet, and >> if you don't have help from experienced SCDers, you >> might tend to >> blame the diet itself. >> >> my daughter and i almost certainly have yeast >> overgrowth, and that is >> what is causing her eczema and food intolerance and >> other symptoms. >> we have been on SCD 3.5 months and i have definitely >> seen >> progress...now that we've added coconut oil it's >> even better...but >> the eczema is still there, although in reduced >> amount. >> >> so all this has me wondering if SCD can only take us >> so far with the >> yeast. >> >> any experience or success stories would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> silvia >> SCD 3.5 months for eczema, food intolerance, yeast >> overgrowth >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 http://www.pecanbread.com/new/yeast.html Everyone who is concerned with yeast please read this webpage. Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 How does one know which of those two enzymes to use when? I have both in my frig, and I have no idea when I should give my son the No Fennols and when I should give him the Primezyme. Meleah Re: success with yeast Oh yes and I also take No Fenols and Prime Zyme. The combination of SCD, GSE and No Fenols has caused the biggest die off so far. --- Silvia Payne wrote: > i asked this question a while ago but didn't get a > response - maybe > nobody knows? but i'll ask again, just in case. does > anyone know of > kids/adults that have been cured from yeast > overgrowth on SCD? i've > heard people in other forums say that SCD did not > work for them when > the culprit was yeast. i take this with a grain of > salt, because i > think it's very easy to unknowingly make mistakes on > this diet, and > if you don't have help from experienced SCDers, you > might tend to > blame the diet itself. > > my daughter and i almost certainly have yeast > overgrowth, and that is > what is causing her eczema and food intolerance and > other symptoms. > we have been on SCD 3.5 months and i have definitely > seen > progress...now that we've added coconut oil it's > even better...but > the eczema is still there, although in reduced > amount. > > so all this has me wondering if SCD can only take us > so far with the > yeast. > > any experience or success stories would be greatly > appreciated. > > silvia > SCD 3.5 months for eczema, food intolerance, yeast > overgrowth > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Which HNI to give: From HNI's sheet which came with my order: The SCD Zyme Prime formula is an all-purpose digestive formula. It is not as potent for proteins as Peptizyde. It excels for carbohydrate digestion. Reduces bloating and gas caused by beans, b roccoli, etc. Has high amounts of lipase to help aid in digestion of triglyceride fats. Firms up loose stools. NO-FENOL gives better digestion of fruits and vegetables which are high fiber. Improves tolerances of foods such as bananas, tomatoes, apples and citrus. May help with tolerance of artificial colorings and flavors. No-Fenol is best used only when eating those foods known to cause problems, as it tends to make stools softer. It promotes a suitable environment for the growth of helpful gut bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Thanks. Re: success with yeast Which HNI to give: From HNI's sheet which came with my order: The SCD Zyme Prime formula is an all-purpose digestive formula. It is not as potent for proteins as Peptizyde. It excels for carbohydrate digestion. Reduces bloating and gas caused by beans, b roccoli, etc. Has high amounts of lipase to help aid in digestion of triglyceride fats. Firms up loose stools. NO-FENOL gives better digestion of fruits and vegetables which are high fiber. Improves tolerances of foods such as bananas, tomatoes, apples and citrus. May help with tolerance of artificial colorings and flavors. No-Fenol is best used only when eating those foods known to cause problems, as it tends to make stools softer. It promotes a suitable environment for the growth of helpful gut bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Hi Silvia, << does anyone know of kids/adults that have been cured from yeast overgrowth on SCD? >> I had a very bad yeast overgrowth problem. I've been on the diet a while and didn't start with yeast issues but after a few runs of antibiotics (long story) the yeast in my system went wild. While staying on the diet and reducing honey etc.. did help a lot with the yeast it was still quite bad. (I tried Nystatin but had a very bad reaction to it, stopped it and decided to try the natural route) I added in natural antifungals (Homemade carrot and garlic juice, GSE, Oil of oregano) and that helped a small bit. I then added yeast (specific) enzymes. I first tried Candex and then Candizyme, both in conjunction with antifungals that I rotated. This helped tremendously. Last year I was treated with antibiotics twice unnecessarily (two misdiagnoses) and the yeast flared up again along with a flare up of colitis - for which I was hospitalized. After getting out of the hospital I started taking Saccharomyces boulardii. After a while I was able to tolerate yogurt again. I don't use the antifungals now but I still take the Candizyme - I use it before/with meals to help digest foods. By far, taking the S. boulardii has had the biggest and best effect on the yeast overgrowth. I have read some research that says that S. boulardii will work synergistically with good bacteria, like L. acidophilus and L. casei. I have definitely found it to be the case for me. When I was finally able to add the yogurt back into my diet my health improved dramatically. Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs mom of and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 thanks sheila, i'm off to find some s. boulardii! > Hi Silvia, > > << does anyone know of kids/adults that have been cured from yeast > overgrowth on SCD? >> > > I had a very bad yeast overgrowth problem. I've been on the diet a > while and didn't start with yeast issues but after a few runs of > antibiotics (long story) the yeast in my system went wild. > > While staying on the diet and reducing honey etc.. did help a lot with > the yeast it was still quite bad. (I tried Nystatin but had a very > bad > reaction to it, stopped it and decided to try the natural route) I > added in natural antifungals (Homemade carrot and garlic juice, GSE, > Oil of oregano) and that helped a small bit. I then added yeast > (specific) enzymes. I first tried Candex and then Candizyme, both in > conjunction with antifungals that I rotated. This helped > tremendously. Last year I was treated with antibiotics twice > unnecessarily (two misdiagnoses) and the yeast flared up again along > with a flare up of colitis - for which I was hospitalized. After > getting out of the hospital I started taking Saccharomyces boulardii. > After a while I was able to tolerate yogurt again. I don't use the > antifungals now but I still take the Candizyme - I use it before/with > meals to help digest foods. By far, taking the S. boulardii has had > the biggest and best effect on the yeast overgrowth. I have read some > research that says that S. boulardii will work synergistically with > good bacteria, like L. acidophilus and L. casei. I have definitely > found it to be the case for me. When I was finally able to add the > yogurt back into my diet my health improved dramatically. > > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs > mom of and > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read > the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 sheila, do you know if i can culture it along with my yogurt starter when i make yogurt? since it's a yeast, will it clash with the bacteria i'm trying to culture? > thanks sheila, i'm off to find some s. boulardii! > > > >> Hi Silvia, >> >> << does anyone know of kids/adults that have been cured from yeast >> overgrowth on SCD? >> >> >> I had a very bad yeast overgrowth problem. I've been on the diet a >> while and didn't start with yeast issues but after a few runs of >> antibiotics (long story) the yeast in my system went wild. >> >> While staying on the diet and reducing honey etc.. did help a lot >> with >> the yeast it was still quite bad. (I tried Nystatin but had a very >> bad >> reaction to it, stopped it and decided to try the natural route) I >> added in natural antifungals (Homemade carrot and garlic juice, GSE, >> Oil of oregano) and that helped a small bit. I then added yeast >> (specific) enzymes. I first tried Candex and then Candizyme, both in >> conjunction with antifungals that I rotated. This helped >> tremendously. Last year I was treated with antibiotics twice >> unnecessarily (two misdiagnoses) and the yeast flared up again along >> with a flare up of colitis - for which I was hospitalized. After >> getting out of the hospital I started taking Saccharomyces boulardii. >> After a while I was able to tolerate yogurt again. I don't use the >> antifungals now but I still take the Candizyme - I use it before/with >> meals to help digest foods. By far, taking the S. boulardii has had >> the biggest and best effect on the yeast overgrowth. I have read >> some >> research that says that S. boulardii will work synergistically with >> good bacteria, like L. acidophilus and L. casei. I have definitely >> found it to be the case for me. When I was finally able to add the >> yogurt back into my diet my health improved dramatically. >> >> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs >> mom of and >> >> >> >> >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the >> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read >> the following websites: >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >> and >> http://www.pecanbread.com >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Hi Silvia, << sheila, do you know if i can culture it along with my yogurt starter > when i make yogurt? since it's a yeast, will it clash with the > bacteria i'm trying to culture? >> I wouldn't suggest trying to culture the S. boulardii with the yogurt starter. If my recall is correct S. boulardii doesn't utilize lactose, but may be able to ferment some galactose. However, if you try to ferment S. boulardii with the yogurt starter you may prevent all of the lactose from being digested; you may not get a full microbial profile in your end product, the by-products of the various microbes may clash etc.. It is far safer to stick to the S. boulardii capsules. I was in a bad state (bowel wise) when I began the S. boulardii and started slow and gradually increased the amounts. I had a lot of die off (epsom salt baths etc...) Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs mom of and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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