Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 If he were my son, I'd try adding spices and preparing the food more like the things he used to like. I also would consider adding enzymes, especially No Fenols. My thinking is this: our kid wouldn't eat a long list of stuff until we added enzymes. The fact that he likes fruit, tomatoes, etc, says to me that he may have a lot of yeast or that he might have trouble digesting fenols. Either way, the enzyme helps. He may be experiencing discomfort when he digests these foods, and the enzymes would lighten that up. Don't know if that helps. Rob or Sunseri wrote: I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - bnana wrote: If he were my son, I'd try adding spices and preparing the food more like the things he used to like. I also would consider adding enzymes, especially No Fenols. My thinking is this: our kid wouldn't eat a long list of stuff until we added enzymes. The fact that he likes fruit, tomatoes, etc, says to me that he may have a lot of yeast or that he might have trouble digesting fenols. Either way, the enzyme helps. He may be experiencing discomfort when he digests these foods, and the enzymes would lighten that up. Don't know if that helps. Rob or Sunseri wrote: I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Yes I use Houston but I know a lot of families use Kirkman. There has to be one food you can mix it with that he will eat. I've heard of people using orange juice, which works for other things like GSE, or in your son's case maybe some homemade salsa. Why not? One thing I want to say here: if your son has been trying to stay SCD for two months, he's most likely still having some gut discomfort. I think he will respond better in time. Have you watched the DAN! Conference videos from Washington? Among them is a wonderful tape by Judy Gorman. If you haven't done so yet, do yourself a favor and watch it until the end. I think you will feel very encouraged. Rob or Sunseri wrote: How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - bnana wrote: If he were my son, I'd try adding spices and preparing the food more like the things he used to like. I also would consider adding enzymes, especially No Fenols. My thinking is this: our kid wouldn't eat a long list of stuff until we added enzymes. The fact that he likes fruit, tomatoes, etc, says to me that he may have a lot of yeast or that he might have trouble digesting fenols. Either way, the enzyme helps. He may be experiencing discomfort when he digests these foods, and the enzymes would lighten that up. Don't know if that helps. Rob or Sunseri wrote: I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 > > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. , I am so sorry you are having problems. The intro diet lasts 2 or 3 days, 5 at the most. How long have you had him on it? I use lots of spices. I like spicy foods. Spices don't have to be reserved for advanced. I put Rosemary, Basil, Oregano, garlic and pepper in most of my meat, fish and poultry dishesand use spices in fruit and vegetables too. It seems you have had a tough time of it from the beginning. What I am wondering is if you decide not to continue with SCD, how would you try and feed your son? Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 We didn't keep him on the intro diet long. The trouble is he didn't like anything advanced I gave him either. - carolfrilegh wrote: > > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. , I am so sorry you are having problems. The intro diet lasts 2 or 3 days, 5 at the most. How long have you had him on it? I use lots of spices. I like spicy foods. Spices don't have to be reserved for advanced. I put Rosemary, Basil, Oregano, garlic and pepper in most of my meat, fish and poultry dishesand use spices in fruit and vegetables too. It seems you have had a tough time of it from the beginning. What I am wondering is if you decide not to continue with SCD, how would you try and feed your son? Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 What is the video with Judy Gorman about? He will only eat foods that have no possibility of " mixing. " So with salsa, he will only eat fresh pico salsa, because he can see the individual pieces. If you make a saucy salsa, he won't touch it because he knows there is the possibility you have mixed something in. This is why he won't eat smoothies, yogurts, puddings apple sauces, etc. The only thing he will drink are italian sodas which I make with a splash of juice and mineral water. He will drink those because they are clear. If you mix something in, he won't touch it. It's really not so much a texture thing as a control thing. He really resents the day his food life changed drastically. We put him on a special diet cold turkey and began giving him supplements mixed-in with things. One of those mix-ins was deliciously disguised nystatin which made him vomit from die off. Since that point forward (3 years ago), he has refused to eat anything that could possibly contain something that would make him sick. He must feel we are trying to poison him. He has other food issues as well that we do not completely understand (will not eat red meat, will not eat poultry cooked in any juice, likes to eat apple skins, but not the fruit itself, loves vegetables to the point of ridiculousness, will not touch anything with eggs and I could go on). Now, all that being said -- if I took him to a fancy restaurant (or even a friend's house) and ordered a saucy, multi-textured, red meat dish with a bunch of side dishes he won't touch at home, he would lick his plate clean. He trusts & enjoys the food at restaurants and other homes -- I guess because those people have never tried to " poison " him. - bnana wrote: Yes I use Houston but I know a lot of families use Kirkman. There has to be one food you can mix it with that he will eat. I've heard of people using orange juice, which works for other things like GSE, or in your son's case maybe some homemade salsa. Why not? One thing I want to say here: if your son has been trying to stay SCD for two months, he's most likely still having some gut discomfort. I think he will respond better in time. Have you watched the DAN! Conference videos from Washington? Among them is a wonderful tape by Judy Gorman. If you haven't done so yet, do yourself a favor and watch it until the end. I think you will feel very encouraged. Rob or Sunseri wrote: How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - Recent Activity 24 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 , Has it always been this way...even before the vomitting episodes began from die off? Did he used to eat saucey, red meat dishes that you made at home? If not, I am concerned that what he likes about the dishes at restaurants is the chemical junk that is in it...except that you mentioned he would also eat these types of foods at a friend's home, and I am sure they don't use lots of extra chemicals to " enhance " flavor. But, do you think it is a possibility? Meleah Re: son doesn't like SCD What is the video with Judy Gorman about? He will only eat foods that have no possibility of " mixing. " So with salsa, he will only eat fresh pico salsa, because he can see the individual pieces. If you make a saucy salsa, he won't touch it because he knows there is the possibility you have mixed something in. This is why he won't eat smoothies, yogurts, puddings apple sauces, etc. The only thing he will drink are italian sodas which I make with a splash of juice and mineral water. He will drink those because they are clear. If you mix something in, he won't touch it. It's really not so much a texture thing as a control thing. He really resents the day his food life changed drastically. We put him on a special diet cold turkey and began giving him supplements mixed-in with things. One of those mix-ins was deliciously disguised nystatin which made him vomit from die off. Since that point forward (3 years ago), he has refused to eat anything that could possibly contain something that would make him sick. He must feel we are trying to poison him. He has other food issues as well that we do not completely understand (will not eat red meat, will not eat poultry cooked in any juice, likes to eat apple skins, but not the fruit itself, loves vegetables to the point of ridiculousness, will not touch anything with eggs and I could go on). Now, all that being said -- if I took him to a fancy restaurant (or even a friend's house) and ordered a saucy, multi-textured, red meat dish with a bunch of side dishes he won't touch at home, he would lick his plate clean. He trusts & enjoys the food at restaurants and other homes -- I guess because those people have never tried to " poison " him. - bnana wrote: Yes I use Houston but I know a lot of families use Kirkman. There has to be one food you can mix it with that he will eat. I've heard of people using orange juice, which works for other things like GSE, or in your son's case maybe some homemade salsa. Why not? One thing I want to say here: if your son has been trying to stay SCD for two months, he's most likely still having some gut discomfort. I think he will respond better in time. Have you watched the DAN! Conference videos from Washington? Among them is a wonderful tape by Judy Gorman. If you haven't done so yet, do yourself a favor and watch it until the end. I think you will feel very encouraged. Rob or Sunseri wrote: How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - Recent Activity 24 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 - Reading your description here, it seems your son has a wonderful palate!<sp? Perhaps the recipes on the typical boards are geared toward " yougins " with more simple taste buds. One thing that did come to mind when you describe the sorts of foods he eats is a new SCD cookbook called Eat Well, Feel Well. I ordered it and the recipes that I've tried so far are wonderful, but there are few recipes that my DS would try. They all seem very sophisticated...spicy ethnic dishes ect.. Perhaps if you get that book that would work better for you. Don't know how you are going to even attempt the intro with a child that has that kind of refind tastes though. I have no suggestions for that one. Again, it is really awesome. The Pecan Waffles recipe and the Muffin recipe are the ones I've tried. But again she has some really great looking entrees. Here is a link to the book: LINK- http://www.amazon.com/Eat-Well-Feel-Carbohydrate- Compliant/dp/0307339947/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5941071-5754530? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177157026&sr=8-1 > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is > that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! > > Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. > > - > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yes, I must get this cookbook -- thanks! I was thinking that if we had to skip the intro, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I've had canker sores heal in my mouth despite the fact that I brushed over them with a toothbrush -- but it may have taken longer for them to heal. That might happen if a person skipped the intro. It may not heal as quickly, but it eventually might still result in a healed gut. What else can I do anyway?! - copelpot wrote: - Reading your description here, it seems your son has a wonderful palate!<sp? Perhaps the recipes on the typical boards are geared toward " yougins " with more simple taste buds. One thing that did come to mind when you describe the sorts of foods he eats is a new SCD cookbook called Eat Well, Feel Well. I ordered it and the recipes that I've tried so far are wonderful, but there are few recipes that my DS would try. They all seem very sophisticated...spicy ethnic dishes ect.. Perhaps if you get that book that would work better for you. Don't know how you are going to even attempt the intro with a child that has that kind of refind tastes though. I have no suggestions for that one. Again, it is really awesome. The Pecan Waffles recipe and the Muffin recipe are the ones I've tried. But again she has some really great looking entrees. Here is a link to the book: LINK- http://www.amazon.com/Eat-Well-Feel-Carbohydrate- Compliant/dp/0307339947/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5941071-5754530? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177157026&sr=8-1 > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat this food. Is he the only one?! > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed to for blood sugar issues. > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of what he will eat. What really concerns me is > that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! > > Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is why I do not allow the grains. > > - > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I don't think it's a chemical thing. I have always been careful about that. I don't like too many restaurants myself, so the kinds we would go to were the few here where they actually grow the herbs in a garden out back and prepare everything fresh (they have always accommodated any special diet we were on, so those places became the special birthday restaurants). My friend is a bit of a gourmet as well, and she is the one who watched my older 2 while my youngest had all of her surgeries and hospital stays. My son would eat so well for her, and everything was prepared with herbs from her garden. My son won't normally eat red meat, but he loved her herbed steak and also a flank steak rolled up with feta cheese, spinach and red peppers -- pretty wierd for a then 3 YO, I know! - robin wrote: , Has it always been this way...even before the vomitting episodes began from die off? Did he used to eat saucey, red meat dishes that you made at home? If not, I am concerned that what he likes about the dishes at restaurants is the chemical junk that is in it...except that you mentioned he would also eat these types of foods at a friend's home, and I am sure they don't use lots of extra chemicals to " enhance " flavor. But, do you think it is a possibility? Meleah Re: son doesn't like SCD What is the video with Judy Gorman about? He will only eat foods that have no possibility of " mixing. " So with salsa, he will only eat fresh pico salsa, because he can see the individual pieces. If you make a saucy salsa, he won't touch it because he knows there is the possibility you have mixed something in. This is why he won't eat smoothies, yogurts, puddings apple sauces, etc. The only thing he will drink are italian sodas which I make with a splash of juice and mineral water. He will drink those because they are clear. If you mix something in, he won't touch it. It's really not so much a texture thing as a control thing. He really resents the day his food life changed drastically. We put him on a special diet cold turkey and began giving him supplements mixed-in with things. One of those mix-ins was deliciously disguised nystatin which made him vomit from die off. Since that point forward (3 years ago), he has refused to eat anything that could possibly contain something that would make him sick. He must feel we are trying to poison him. He has other food issues as well that we do not completely understand (will not eat red meat, will not eat poultry cooked in any juice, likes to eat apple skins, but not the fruit itself, loves vegetables to the point of ridiculousness, will not touch anything with eggs and I could go on). Now, all that being said -- if I took him to a fancy restaurant (or even a friend's house) and ordered a saucy, multi-textured, red meat dish with a bunch of side dishes he won't touch at home, he would lick his plate clean. He trusts & enjoys the food at restaurants and other homes -- I guess because those people have never tried to " poison " him. - bnana wrote: Yes I use Houston but I know a lot of families use Kirkman. There has to be one food you can mix it with that he will eat. I've heard of people using orange juice, which works for other things like GSE, or in your son's case maybe some homemade salsa. Why not? One thing I want to say here: if your son has been trying to stay SCD for two months, he's most likely still having some gut discomfort. I think he will respond better in time. Have you watched the DAN! Conference videos from Washington? Among them is a wonderful tape by Judy Gorman. If you haven't done so yet, do yourself a favor and watch it until the end. I think you will feel very encouraged. Rob or Sunseri wrote: How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - Recent Activity 24 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Have you ever tried mimmicking your friend's recipes that he liked to see if it was just a control thing? It does sound like it. We have that issue with iel. He uses his veggies as a control issue. Meleah Re: son doesn't like SCD What is the video with Judy Gorman about? He will only eat foods that have no possibility of " mixing. " So with salsa, he will only eat fresh pico salsa, because he can see the individual pieces. If you make a saucy salsa, he won't touch it because he knows there is the possibility you have mixed something in. This is why he won't eat smoothies, yogurts, puddings apple sauces, etc. The only thing he will drink are italian sodas which I make with a splash of juice and mineral water. He will drink those because they are clear. If you mix something in, he won't touch it. It's really not so much a texture thing as a control thing. He really resents the day his food life changed drastically. We put him on a special diet cold turkey and began giving him supplements mixed-in with things. One of those mix-ins was deliciously disguised nystatin which made him vomit from die off. Since that point forward (3 years ago), he has refused to eat anything that could possibly contain something that would make him sick. He must feel we are trying to poison him. He has other food issues as well that we do not completely understand (will not eat red meat, will not eat poultry cooked in any juice, likes to eat apple skins, but not the fruit itself, loves vegetables to the point of ridiculousness, will not touch anything with eggs and I could go on). Now, all that being said -- if I took him to a fancy restaurant (or even a friend's house) and ordered a saucy, multi-textured, red meat dish with a bunch of side dishes he won't touch at home, he would lick his plate clean. He trusts & enjoys the food at restaurants and other homes -- I guess because those people have never tried to " poison " him. - bnana wrote: Yes I use Houston but I know a lot of families use Kirkman. There has to be one food you can mix it with that he will eat. I've heard of people using orange juice, which works for other things like GSE, or in your son's case maybe some homemade salsa. Why not? One thing I want to say here: if your son has been trying to stay SCD for two months, he's most likely still having some gut discomfort. I think he will respond better in time. Have you watched the DAN! Conference videos from Washington? Among them is a wonderful tape by Judy Gorman. If you haven't done so yet, do yourself a favor and watch it until the end. I think you will feel very encouraged. Rob or Sunseri wrote: How were you able to get the enzymes in? My son can't swallow, and he won't eat anything with Houston's mixed in -- is that what you use? Houston's really helped my son with receptive language, but then he would not take them anymore. - Recent Activity 24 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 > > I don't think it's a chemical thing. I have always been careful about that. I don't like too many restaurants myself, so the kinds we would go to were the few here where they actually grow the herbs in a garden out back and prepare everything fresh (they have always accommodated any special diet we were on, so those places became the special birthday restaurants). My friend is a bit of a gourmet as well, and she is the one who watched my older 2 while my youngest had all of her surgeries and hospital stays. My son would eat so well for her, and everything was prepared with herbs from her garden. My son won't normally eat red meat, but he loved her herbed steak and also a flank steak rolled up with feta cheese, spinach and red peppers -- pretty wierd for a then 3 YO, I know! Zesty lamb Chops 2 tablespoons Dijon Mustard 4 loin lamb chops 2 cloves fresh garlic, grated Dried or fresh Rose,ary A few capers a1/2-1 tsp. honey salt and pepper Almond flour, enough to dredge and coat chopsPreheat oven to 400 Combine mustard, seasonings, garlic and honey in a shallow soup dish. Dredge chops so they are very thickly coated with the mixture and then rub them in the almond flour. Arrange on a rack in a pan. Bake at 400 for 10 minutes, turn heat down to 350-375 and bake another 10 minutes. Turn chops and bake 15 minutes. Check to see if meat is done but a little pink. Another tasty dish is Zucchinni Lasagna. Add lots of basil and oregano and garlic to your SCD tomatio sauce, I am assuming he can eat cheese. Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac, likes spicy food! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 > > I don't think it's a chemical thing. I have always been careful about that. I don't like too many restaurants myself, so the kinds we would go to were the few here where they actually grow the herbs in a garden out back and prepare everything fresh (they have always accommodated any special diet we were on, so those places became the special birthday restaurants). My friend is a bit of a gourmet as well, and she is the one who watched my older 2 while my youngest had all of her surgeries and hospital stays. My son would eat so well for her, and everything was prepared with herbs from her garden. My son won't normally eat red meat, but he loved her herbed steak and also a flank steak rolled up with feta cheese, spinach and red peppers -- pretty wierd for a then 3 YO, I know! Zesty lamb Chops 2 tablespoons Dijon Mustard 4 loin lamb chops 2 cloves fresh garlic, grated Dried or fresh Rose,ary A few capers a1/2-1 tsp. honey salt and pepper Almond flour, enough to dredge and coat chopsPreheat oven to 400 Combine mustard, seasonings, garlic and honey in a shallow soup dish. Dredge chops so they are very thickly coated with the mixture and then rub them in the almond flour. Arrange on a rack in a pan. Bake at 400 for 10 minutes, turn heat down to 350-375 and bake another 10 minutes. Turn chops and bake 15 minutes. Check to see if meat is done but a little pink. Another tasty dish is Zucchinni Lasagna. Add lots of basil and oregano and garlic to your SCD tomatio sauce, I am assuming he can eat cheese. Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac, likes spicy food! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Thanks for the suggestions Carol! - carolfrilegh wrote: > > I don't think it's a chemical thing. I have always been careful about that. I don't like too many restaurants myself, so the kinds we would go to were the few here where they actually grow the herbs in a garden out back and prepare everything fresh (they have always accommodated any special diet we were on, so those places became the special birthday restaurants). My friend is a bit of a gourmet as well, and she is the one who watched my older 2 while my youngest had all of her surgeries and hospital stays. My son would eat so well for her, and everything was prepared with herbs from her garden. My son won't normally eat red meat, but he loved her herbed steak and also a flank steak rolled up with feta cheese, spinach and red peppers -- pretty wierd for a then 3 YO, I know! Zesty lamb Chops 2 tablespoons Dijon Mustard 4 loin lamb chops 2 cloves fresh garlic, grated Dried or fresh Rose,ary A few capers a1/2-1 tsp. honey salt and pepper Almond flour, enough to dredge and coat chopsPreheat oven to 400 Combine mustard, seasonings, garlic and honey in a shallow soup dish. Dredge chops so they are very thickly coated with the mixture and then rub them in the almond flour. Arrange on a rack in a pan. Bake at 400 for 10 minutes, turn heat down to 350-375 and bake another 10 minutes. Turn chops and bake 15 minutes. Check to see if meat is done but a little pink. Another tasty dish is Zucchinni Lasagna. Add lots of basil and oregano and garlic to your SCD tomatio sauce, I am assuming he can eat cheese. Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac, likes spicy food! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 > > Thanks for the suggestions Carol! > > - > Adding two mre ideas Make SCDChicken Nuggets r SCDSquash Fries and season them generously. You can also make spicy sauces fifor the nuggests. Tobasco (Louisiana Hot Pepper Sauce ) is legal. There is one more favorite, so much so that my dog starts to cry for it when I startto get it ready. I put a big tablesoonful of Almond Butter in a bowl of yogurt and add a fair amount of honey. I only stir it a little so it is marbelized. I have that every day and the dog gets some in her bowl. But she cries while I am eating mine. Carol F. SCd 7 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I think that book would be right up your ally. It is written by a Chef whose daughter came down with Crohns I think. She is very creative and the photos are the best I've seen in a SCD cookbook. I would get it and try to prepare recipes that are as close to the intro as possible. I mean, focus more on the meat and egg dishes for awhile start and skip over the really advanced foods with beans ect.. until later. Just one note, I haven't done things exactly as others on this board have. I wasn't even really gonna try the diet all the way as the GFCF diet did nothing for DS. I started by finding a few recipes to try out on DS to cut back on gluten get more variety into his diet. When I discovered he would eat veggies prepared according to the recipes, I was sold and ready tto give it a real try. As I have seen improvement, there have been periods where I've attempted the intro diet for a few days (As many as 4) with no noticeable difference in improvement. But my son has been on the Feingold diet, a reduced gluten diet and enzymes for over a year, so sometimes I wonder if there was less funk to get rid of. KWIM? So everyone has to approach it with there own child and situation in mind. Another thing different about us is we are not casein free. DS does not drink fluid milk, but we make the yogurt with cows milk according to Elaines original diet and I also allow some cheeses ect. And we have seen Wonderful results regardless. Would he do better without milk products? I have yet to see the difference when I have taken him off anything other than fluid milk. In my opinion for my son it is the lactose and not the opoid theory that affects him. So, my point is don't feel like you have to do it like everyone else is. If I were you I would perhaps see if this cookbook can inspire you before you give up on the diet entirely. > > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on > this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat > this food. Is he the only one?! > > > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty > much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, > tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made > with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but > now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed > to for blood sugar issues. > > > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all > kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed > green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not > sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of > the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like > the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- > he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, > garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better > judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he > smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always > eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would > not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, > etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special > diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of > what he will eat. What really concerns me is > > that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, > he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now > (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to > re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and > more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was > provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never > eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this > happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby > to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first > strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I > waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was > asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, > he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that > concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! > > > > Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this > point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far > off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not > mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat > this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had > continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- > which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't > understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed > stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is > why I do not allow the grains. > > > > - > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I think that book would be right up your ally. It is written by a Chef whose daughter came down with Crohns I think. She is very creative and the photos are the best I've seen in a SCD cookbook. I would get it and try to prepare recipes that are as close to the intro as possible. I mean, focus more on the meat and egg dishes for awhile start and skip over the really advanced foods with beans ect.. until later. Just one note, I haven't done things exactly as others on this board have. I wasn't even really gonna try the diet all the way as the GFCF diet did nothing for DS. I started by finding a few recipes to try out on DS to cut back on gluten get more variety into his diet. When I discovered he would eat veggies prepared according to the recipes, I was sold and ready tto give it a real try. As I have seen improvement, there have been periods where I've attempted the intro diet for a few days (As many as 4) with no noticeable difference in improvement. But my son has been on the Feingold diet, a reduced gluten diet and enzymes for over a year, so sometimes I wonder if there was less funk to get rid of. KWIM? So everyone has to approach it with there own child and situation in mind. Another thing different about us is we are not casein free. DS does not drink fluid milk, but we make the yogurt with cows milk according to Elaines original diet and I also allow some cheeses ect. And we have seen Wonderful results regardless. Would he do better without milk products? I have yet to see the difference when I have taken him off anything other than fluid milk. In my opinion for my son it is the lactose and not the opoid theory that affects him. So, my point is don't feel like you have to do it like everyone else is. If I were you I would perhaps see if this cookbook can inspire you before you give up on the diet entirely. > > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on > this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat > this food. Is he the only one?! > > > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty > much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, > tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made > with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but > now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed > to for blood sugar issues. > > > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all > kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed > green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not > sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of > the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like > the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- > he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, > garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better > judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he > smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always > eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would > not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, > etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special > diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of > what he will eat. What really concerns me is > > that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, > he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now > (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to > re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and > more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was > provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never > eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this > happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby > to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first > strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I > waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was > asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, > he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that > concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! > > > > Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this > point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far > off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not > mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat > this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had > continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- > which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't > understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed > stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is > why I do not allow the grains. > > > > - > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Thanks, I am going to give it a try. What starter are you using with the cow's milk yogurt? - copelpot wrote: I think that book would be right up your ally. It is written by a Chef whose daughter came down with Crohns I think. She is very creative and the photos are the best I've seen in a SCD cookbook. I would get it and try to prepare recipes that are as close to the intro as possible. I mean, focus more on the meat and egg dishes for awhile start and skip over the really advanced foods with beans ect.. until later. Just one note, I haven't done things exactly as others on this board have. I wasn't even really gonna try the diet all the way as the GFCF diet did nothing for DS. I started by finding a few recipes to try out on DS to cut back on gluten get more variety into his diet. When I discovered he would eat veggies prepared according to the recipes, I was sold and ready tto give it a real try. As I have seen improvement, there have been periods where I've attempted the intro diet for a few days (As many as 4) with no noticeable difference in improvement. But my son has been on the Feingold diet, a reduced gluten diet and enzymes for over a year, so sometimes I wonder if there was less funk to get rid of. KWIM? So everyone has to approach it with there own child and situation in mind. Another thing different about us is we are not casein free. DS does not drink fluid milk, but we make the yogurt with cows milk according to Elaines original diet and I also allow some cheeses ect. And we have seen Wonderful results regardless. Would he do better without milk products? I have yet to see the difference when I have taken him off anything other than fluid milk. In my opinion for my son it is the lactose and not the opoid theory that affects him. So, my point is don't feel like you have to do it like everyone else is. If I were you I would perhaps see if this cookbook can inspire you before you give up on the diet entirely. > > I'm not sure how long we have been attempting to officially get on > this diet, but I'm guessing at least 2 months. My son just won't eat > this food. Is he the only one?! > > > > He wouldn't eat anything on the intro diet, so we tried pretty > much anything legal advanced or not. He will basically eat fruit, > tomatoes, vegetables and not much else. He won't eat anything made > with nut flour and won't eat the yogurt. He used to eat poultry, but > now refuses it. He will gladly go without food, but is not allowed > to for blood sugar issues. > > > > He is not a picky eater in the typical kid sense (he eats all > kinds of exotic thai dishes and loves homemade salsas and eats mixed > green salads with artichokes), just doesn't like this diet. I'm not > sure what to do at this point. It seems like he might like some of > the more advanced recipes, but he just does not do bland foods like > the intro diet. When he was a baby, he would not eat baby foods -- > he had no interest, therefore his first solid food was a spicey, > garlicy calzone at almost 12 months. This went against my better > judgement, but he would not touch anything solid until the day he > smelled the calzone and went nuts over it, therefore he has always > eaten these highly spicey, flavorful dishes. As a toddler, he would > not eat a chicken nugget, birthday cake, graham cracker, applesauce, > etc -- only exotic foods. He is almost 6, and all of these special > diets we have tried have just made him more and more limiting of > what he will eat. What really concerns me is > > that when he is not allowed a favorite food for a period of time, > he will stop liking it. So if I remove a legal food he eats now > (because it is too advanced), he will likely refuse it once I try to > re-introduce it later. This is how his diet keeps getting more and > more limited. When we tried to remove a food to see if it was > provoking an allergic reaction -- eggs, for example, he would never > eat them again when we tried to put them back! We have had this > happen with so many foods. Interestingly enough, he was my only baby > to do " nursing strikes, " even when he was 100% breastfed. His first > strike lasted 8 days. I did what the lactation consultant advised. I > waited until he was asleep and then got him to nurse. Since he was > asleep, he did nurse as more or less a reflex. After 8 days of this, > he went back to nursing. Clearly, he is not really all that > concerned with the consequenses of starving himself! > > > > Can a kid like this do this diet? I'm not sure what to do at this > point. We have not given him grains in months or anything too far > off the track of SCD, although we are certainly not legal. He is not > mentally able to comprehend that he must just suck it up and eat > this way until he improves and we can expand the diet. He has had > continuous chronic diarrhea since I removed grains from his diet -- > which of course makes me look insane to those around me who can't > understand why I would not add back what was giving him formed > stools. He does test positive for bacterial overgrowth, so that is > why I do not allow the grains. > > > > - > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 My friend has an anorexic daughter who is always afraid of her mom sneaking fat and supplements into her food. She's OK if I make something and list all the ingredients because she knows I'm so careful with my hubby's food. Anyway, she has gotten to the point where she makes all her own food at home. Not that she gets all the nutrients she needs, but at least she is eating again. Maybe your son can look through some pre-selected SCD recipes, pick out something he likes, and prepare it (with your help). That way he's choosing the food, and making it. It may give him that sense of control in a healthy way and he can be building a trust relationship with you at the same time. Just an idea, -Sharon in OH wife of Adam - Crohn's 2004, SCD since June 2006 > Re: son doesn't like SCD > > What is the video with Judy Gorman about? > > He will only eat foods that have no possibility of " mixing. " So with salsa, he will only eat fresh pico salsa, because he can see the individual pieces. If you make a saucy salsa, he won't touch it because he knows there is the possibility you have mixed something in. This is why he won't eat smoothies, yogurts, puddings apple sauces, etc. The only thing he will drink are italian sodas which I make with a splash of juice and mineral water. He will drink those because they are clear. If you mix something in, he won't touch it. It's really not so much a texture thing as a control thing. He really resents the day his food life changed drastically. We put him on a special diet cold turkey and began giving him supplements mixed-in with things. One of those mix-ins was deliciously disguised nystatin which made him vomit from die off. Since that point forward (3 years ago), he has refused to eat anything that could possibly contain something that would make him sick. > He must feel we are trying to poison him. He has other food issues as well that we do not completely understand (will not eat red meat, will not eat poultry cooked in any juice, likes to eat apple skins, but not the fruit itself, loves vegetables to the point of ridiculousness, will not touch anything with eggs and I could go on). > > Now, all that being said -- if I took him to a fancy restaurant (or even a friend's house) and ordered a saucy, multi-textured, red meat dish with a bunch of side dishes he won't touch at home, he would lick his plate clean. He trusts & enjoys the food at restaurants and other homes -- I guess because those people have never tried to " poison " him. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I totally agree with getting the kids involve in the cooking if that is possible. My 7 year daughter was so against this diet in the beginning she also was refusing to eat. We are only into the diet 3 weeks. But her attitude has changed so much. I have started to take her with me to do the shopping (avoiding the cookie and junk isle). She loves to help find the new foods we are eating. Then she helps with the cooking. She has found a love for helping in kitchen. We also put all of the foods that she is allowed to have right now on a white board so she can see her choices. Alot of time she decides what we will be eating. Giving her that extra control has help her alot. She still does some complaining but she is acting so much better and eating better. If only we could get rid of the Diaherrea we would be all good. Carla > > My friend has an anorexic daughter who is always afraid of her mom > sneaking fat and supplements into her food. She's OK if I make > something and list all the ingredients because she knows I'm so > careful with my hubby's food. Anyway, she has gotten to the point > where she makes all her own food at home. Not that she gets all the > nutrients she needs, but at least she is eating again. Maybe your son > can look through some pre-selected SCD recipes, pick out something he > likes, and prepare it (with your help). That way he's choosing the > food, and making it. It may give him that sense of control in a > healthy way and he can be building a trust relationship with you at > the same time. > Just an idea, > -Sharon in OH > wife of Adam - Crohn's 2004, SCD since June 2006 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Have you tried making some of the SCD candy recipes? That really helped my 8 year old daughter. We made peanut brittle, almond crunchy stuff and hard canidies. My heart goes out to you as a single Mom on a tight budget. I've had similar issues and found the SCD cooking very time consuming and expensive. Cathy Re: son doesn't like SCD I totally agree with getting the kids involve in the cooking if that is possible. My 7 year daughter was so against this diet in the beginning she also was refusing to eat. We are only into the diet 3 weeks. But her attitude has changed so much. I have started to take her with me to do the shopping (avoiding the cookie and junk isle). She loves to help find the new foods we are eating. Then she helps with the cooking. She has found a love for helping in kitchen. We also put all of the foods that she is allowed to have right now on a white board so she can see her choices. Alot of time she decides what we will be eating. Giving her that extra control has help her alot. She still does some complaining but she is acting so much better and eating better. If only we could get rid of the Diaherrea we would be all good. Carla > > My friend has an anorexic daughter who is always afraid of her mom > sneaking fat and supplements into her food. She's OK if I make > something and list all the ingredients because she knows I'm so > careful with my hubby's food. Anyway, she has gotten to the point > where she makes all her own food at home. Not that she gets all the > nutrients she needs, but at least she is eating again. Maybe your son > can look through some pre-selected SCD recipes, pick out something he > likes, and prepare it (with your help). That way he's choosing the > food, and making it. It may give him that sense of control in a > healthy way and he can be building a trust relationship with you at > the same time. > Just an idea, > -Sharon in OH > wife of Adam - Crohn's 2004, SCD since June 2006 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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