Excessive Eating and Dry at Night

[Guest guest]

We are new to SCD -- just two weeks now -- and are interested to find

out whether anyone has experienced what we have.

My 4 year old son, who has PDD, started SCD two weeks ago today.

Unfortunately, he also contracted a stomach virus the same day and

did not eat -- literally not a morsel -- for a week. (We know it was

a stomach virus because other kids and adults in our town have had

the same thing). Since he started eating again, he has been eating

an unbelievable amount of food, to the point of being disgusting. He

has gone from not eating breakfast at all to asking for one and then

another muffin and then (when a third was refused) asking for a

hamburger. He had four small hamburgers for dinner last night, when

he used to eat two. He has been sneaking into the freezer to get

muffins, so that we now hide them in the basement. And he seems to

constantly be hungry. (His poops, which only recently have been

controlled by 6-MP, are still fine, except that he had 4 BMs

yesterday).

We are wondering if this is something others have seen when they are

new to SCD -- and whether we should expect it to go back to normal

any time soon.

Also, two mornings this week, for the first time ever, he woke up

completely dry (although he is mostly toilet trained during the day,

he has always woken up with a full pullup. Could this be related to

the diet?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

The extreme hunger is very commong. It's hard to say how long it can

last...anywhere from a few days to a few months. Their littles bodies are

healing, and growing so well now. I think they just need the nutrition that

they hadn't been getting. Too many nut products such as the muffins can cause

more or just lloser stools, so you might want to limit him to one of two nut

flour goods per day. If he is so incredibly hungry, I'd encourage you to give

him more of his tolerated veggies. I'm just saying that because they contain

the most vitamin and mineral sources for him. Be careful not to over feed him

the meats, cheese, yogurt, ect. Just make sure that itis a balanced diet even

though it is an enormous amount of food.

Meleah

Excessive Eating and Dry at Night

We are new to SCD -- just two weeks now -- and are interested to find

out whether anyone has experienced what we have.

My 4 year old son, who has PDD, started SCD two weeks ago today.

Unfortunately, he also contracted a stomach virus the same day and

did not eat -- literally not a morsel -- for a week. (We know it was

a stomach virus because other kids and adults in our town have had

the same thing). Since he started eating again, he has been eating

an unbelievable amount of food, to the point of being disgusting. He

has gone from not eating breakfast at all to asking for one and then

another muffin and then (when a third was refused) asking for a

hamburger. He had four small hamburgers for dinner last night, when

he used to eat two. He has been sneaking into the freezer to get

muffins, so that we now hide them in the basement. And he seems to

constantly be hungry. (His poops, which only recently have been

controlled by 6-MP, are still fine, except that he had 4 BMs

yesterday).

We are wondering if this is something others have seen when they are

new to SCD -- and whether we should expect it to go back to normal

any time soon.

Also, two mornings this week, for the first time ever, he woke up

completely dry (although he is mostly toilet trained during the day,

he has always woken up with a full pullup. Could this be related to

the diet?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi

Our three and a half year old twins with ASD have been on the diet for

three weeks. Week one and week two they ate as though they had never had

a bite to eat ever. It wasn't uncommon for them to sit and eat a whole

chicken between them, twelve carrot egg muffin like things I made, three

beef patties and down it all with four glasses of diluted juice. And

that was all at one sitting! As week three has gone by, they have eaten

much less food although they do have meals where they just can't get

enough to eat. Just try to balance everything even if you have to puree

the carrots and stick them in his beef patties. We made the mistake of

not giving enough carbs and our one twins were taking 6 hour naps and

were completely out of it for two days. BALANCE is important not the

amount at this point. Stick to the diet. I can only say the progress my

twins have made in one month is near miraculous. Giving them epsom salt

baths help them get rid of the toxins. Take it slow and steady. I must

say it is getting much easier. It is rough to watch their bodies adjust

and detox but the noticeable progress is hopeful.

All the best,

Cindy

robin wrote:

> The extreme hunger is very commong. It's hard to say how long it can

last...anywhere from a few days to a few months. Their littles bodies are

healing, and growing so well now. I think they just need the nutrition that

they hadn't been getting. Too many nut products such as the muffins can cause

more or just lloser stools, so you might want to limit him to one of two nut

flour goods per day. If he is so incredibly hungry, I'd encourage you to give

him more of his tolerated veggies. I'm just saying tha

> t because they contain the most vitamin and mineral sources for him. Be

careful not to over feed him the meats, cheese, yogurt, ect. Just make sure

that itis a balanced diet even though it is an enormous amount of food.

> Meleah

> Excessive Eating and Dry at Night

>

>

> We are new to SCD -- just two weeks now -- and are interested to find

> out whether anyone has experienced what we have.

>

> My 4 year old son, who has PDD, started SCD two weeks ago today.

> Unfortunately, he also contracted a stomach virus the same day and

> did not eat -- literally not a morsel -- for a week. (We know it was

> a stomach virus because other kids and adults in our town have had

> the same thing). Since he started eating again, he has been eating

> an unbelievable amount of food, to the point of being disgusting. He

> has gone from not eating breakfast at all to asking for one and then

> another muffin and then (when a third was refused) asking for a

> hamburger. He had four small hamburgers for dinner last night, when

> he used to eat two. He has been sneaking into the freezer to get

> muffins, so that we now hide them in the basement. And he seems to

> constantly be hungry. (His poops, which only recently have been

> controlled by 6-MP, are still fine, except that he had 4 BMs

> yesterday).

>

> We are wondering if this is something others have seen when they are

> new to SCD -- and whether we should expect it to go back to normal

> any time soon.

>

> Also, two mornings this week, for the first time ever, he woke up

> completely dry (although he is mostly toilet trained during the day,

> he has always woken up with a full pullup. Could this be related to

> the diet?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cindy, 's wife here (Elise). I'm dying to know what gains

your twins have made on SCD. I guess I'm hoping some good stories

will give us encouragement. We're not really sure we're seeing much

of anything, but I'd love to hear about your little guys (girls?).

I'm also interested in knowing whether you have a recipe for the

carrot egg muffins. My son is currently living on banana muffins and

apple muffins made with almond flour, pancakes and waffles made with

almond flour, " crackers " made out of cashews (I swear the odor almost

makes me physically ill, but my son likes them for some reason) and

then the usual proteins and fruits (chicken, hamburgers, turkey,

strawberries, apples, grapes, an occasional pear - don't even get me

started on the oxalate issue). The only vegetable he'll eat is

cucumber, which of course has the fewest nutrients of any veggie on

the planet! If he sees a carrot, he gags (sensory issues). I am

concerned about the amount of protein he is eating (I have now read

in numerous places that it is not the best source of energy for

people with autoimmunity), but we've got a long way to go in the

vegetable department.

Anyway, we're happy to hear you're seeing results and hope to have

the opportunity to hear more about how your kids are doing. Thanks.

Sincerely, Elise

> > The extreme hunger is very commong. It's hard to say how long it

can last...anywhere from a few days to a few months. Their littles

bodies are healing, and growing so well now. I think they just need

the nutrition that they hadn't been getting. Too many nut products

such as the muffins can cause more or just lloser stools, so you

might want to limit him to one of two nut flour goods per day. If he

is so incredibly hungry, I'd encourage you to give him more of his

tolerated veggies. I'm just saying tha

> > t because they contain the most vitamin and mineral sources for

him. Be careful not to over feed him the meats, cheese, yogurt,

ect. Just make sure that itis a balanced diet even though it is an

enormous amount of food.

> > Meleah

> > Excessive Eating and Dry at Night

> >

> >

> > We are new to SCD -- just two weeks now -- and are interested

to find

> > out whether anyone has experienced what we have.

> >

> > My 4 year old son, who has PDD, started SCD two weeks ago

today.

> > Unfortunately, he also contracted a stomach virus the same day

and

> > did not eat -- literally not a morsel -- for a week. (We know

it was

> > a stomach virus because other kids and adults in our town have

had

> > the same thing). Since he started eating again, he has been

eating

> > an unbelievable amount of food, to the point of being

disgusting. He

> > has gone from not eating breakfast at all to asking for one and

then

> > another muffin and then (when a third was refused) asking for a

> > hamburger. He had four small hamburgers for dinner last night,

when

> > he used to eat two. He has been sneaking into the freezer to

get

> > muffins, so that we now hide them in the basement. And he seems

to

> > constantly be hungry. (His poops, which only recently have been

> > controlled by 6-MP, are still fine, except that he had 4 BMs

> > yesterday).

> >

> > We are wondering if this is something others have seen when

they are

> > new to SCD -- and whether we should expect it to go back to

normal

> > any time soon.

> >

> > Also, two mornings this week, for the first time ever, he woke

up

> > completely dry (although he is mostly toilet trained during the

day,

> > he has always woken up with a full pullup. Could this be

related to

> > the diet?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have had enormous success with veggie popscicles. My son would

not touch any veggies with a ten foot pole. We started out doing

squash/pear/coconut oil which are pretty darn tasty believe it or

not. Then it evolved and evolved more and more. Since my son does

NOT chew, popscicles have become his main staple. He also eats meat

(but not more than one serving in a day) eggs (but not daily), and

fruits of course. He has gained 4 pounds in two months and I didn't

measure, but judging from how I'm not having to roll his pants legs

up as much, he's grown at least an inch. This is on a mostly veggie

diet.

Just to give an idea of where we are at now - we have 2 varieties of

popscicles, orange ones and green ones. The orange are the

yummiest. They are squash, peaches, coconut milk and stewed prunes

for sweetness but you could use honey for that if prunes are too

much for you. The green ones started out doing spinach / avocado /

grape juice and those pretty much tasted like grape juice. Now we

do a spinach / apple / banana one that's really good and does not

taste like spinach, but here are the heavy duty ones. (they are

going to make you gag as you read, but honestly, they aren't that

bad, kind of an orange juice gone wild flavor) green bean,

cauliflower, pea, cucumber, zucchini, red pepper, avocado, stewed

dates, and orange juice. I've even made them with bone broth.

Anyway, I know it sounds totally crazy, but my son lives on them and

I just thought I'd try to give you an idea of what you can do with

veggies and a freezer.

[Guest guest]

Elise,

How long has your son been on SCD? Cashew nuts or cashew flour is a very

advanced food as cashews are the starchiest of the nut family. Peanut and

cashew products should be reserved for many months down the road of healing.

I'd say that Sheila or Mimi would say at least six months after being strictly

SCD before trying them. We've had our son on SCD for 13 months now, and are

just venturing back in to the world of peanutbutter(SCD legal, of course). I

tried peanutbutter shortly in to SCD...probably about six to eight weeks

in...and is caused problems that I didn't even connect. Fortunately, one of the

veterans on the list caught the possible intolerance. When I dropped the

peanutbutter, the issue went away. Also, are all of his fruits pealed, seeded,

and well cooked? What about the berries? Are you straining them after cooking

to remove those little seeds? These are all things that I see as potential hold

ups. Have you tried mixing his cooked veggies into his hamburger patty? Also,

just because you're not seeing miraculous progress right away doesn't mean that

healing isn't happening. Our son's progress has been slow and steady over the

course of the past year. Very rarely has he made a big jump forward, but he is

a completely different child than one year ago. It is evident to all of our

friends and family.

Meleah

Excessive Eating and Dry at Night

> >

> >

> > We are new to SCD -- just two weeks now -- and are interested

to find

> > out whether anyone has experienced what we have.

> >

> > My 4 year old son, who has PDD, started SCD two weeks ago

today.

> > Unfortunately, he also contracted a stomach virus the same day

and

> > did not eat -- literally not a morsel -- for a week. (We know

it was

> > a stomach virus because other kids and adults in our town have

had

> > the same thing). Since he started eating again, he has been

eating

> > an unbelievable amount of food, to the point of being

disgusting. He

> > has gone from not eating breakfast at all to asking for one and

then

> > another muffin and then (when a third was refused) asking for a

> > hamburger. He had four small hamburgers for dinner last night,

when

> > he used to eat two. He has been sneaking into the freezer to

get

> > muffins, so that we now hide them in the basement. And he seems

to

> > constantly be hungry. (His poops, which only recently have been

> > controlled by 6-MP, are still fine, except that he had 4 BMs

> > yesterday).

> >

> > We are wondering if this is something others have seen when

they are

> > new to SCD -- and whether we should expect it to go back to

normal

> > any time soon.

> >

> > Also, two mornings this week, for the first time ever, he woke

up

> > completely dry (although he is mostly toilet trained during the

day,

> > he has always woken up with a full pullup. Could this be

related to

> > the diet?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is there an exact recipe? My daughter isn't on SCD (I am for CD),

but I have enormous trouble getting her to eat vegetables. When I

read this I was very excited to try it, but how much of each thing

do you use?

>

> I have had enormous success with veggie popscicles. My son would

> not touch any veggies with a ten foot pole. We started out doing

> squash/pear/coconut oil which are pretty darn tasty believe it or

> not. Then it evolved and evolved more and more. Since my son

does

> NOT chew, popscicles have become his main staple. He also eats

meat

> (but not more than one serving in a day) eggs (but not daily), and

> fruits of course. He has gained 4 pounds in two months and I

didn't

> measure, but judging from how I'm not having to roll his pants

legs

> up as much, he's grown at least an inch. This is on a mostly

veggie

> diet.

>

> Just to give an idea of where we are at now - we have 2 varieties

of

> popscicles, orange ones and green ones. The orange are the

> yummiest. They are squash, peaches, coconut milk and stewed

prunes

> for sweetness but you could use honey for that if prunes are too

> much for you. The green ones started out doing spinach /

avocado /

> grape juice and those pretty much tasted like grape juice. Now we

> do a spinach / apple / banana one that's really good and does not

> taste like spinach, but here are the heavy duty ones. (they are

> going to make you gag as you read, but honestly, they aren't that

> bad, kind of an orange juice gone wild flavor) green bean,

> cauliflower, pea, cucumber, zucchini, red pepper, avocado, stewed

> dates, and orange juice. I've even made them with bone broth.

> Anyway, I know it sounds totally crazy, but my son lives on them

and

> I just thought I'd try to give you an idea of what you can do with

> veggies and a freezer.

>

>

>