SCD - OXILATES - ADVICE PLEASE

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Thank you for all these info, Im very gratefull for all you help me.

But, there is one more thing I want to ask you and all others.

Two months ago my son was ill from bronchopneumony and we were in hospital in

our capitol for 2 weeks. As every med check up Dr make a med check up on his

kidneys and told us that he has a sand in his kidneys. But, Drs explain us that

this is not dangerous and that this is some kind of sediment, grounds and that

when we come home we need to buy some mixture, to drink and everything is going

to be OK.

I must agree that we didnt make any efort to do something for it, it saty in

my mind to do something, but as Drs say its not dangerous I saty calm and

forget. Yestarday I receive a letter from one lady who mention that long term

tea drinking may cause oxilate. Today I receive another mail and read that in

autistic children this is common and many children has this kind of issue.

I try to explain to this group that my son drink tea a lot and that Drs told

us that he has as sand in his kidneys but not seriosly.

I receive mails that it looks like oxilates and that it is becoase of gut

problem, and oxilates, that I we need to eat low oxilate food, that we can not

start SCD becoase SCD is full of oxilate etc, and I was adviced to ask other

groups for this.

So I became very worried of my son situation. Im going tomorow to Dr and speak

about this, but please tell me is is dangerous, can we use SCD, I need much time

to find the way out and here comes the problem with oxilates.

Please any advice and experience!!!

Regards

Goran

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Hello,

My son had " sand " or oxalates in his urine and his stools. The first

month of being on SCD my son dumped an incredible amount of oxalates

out via his urine and stools. So much that his stools were almost

pure " sand " . He wasn't on any nut flours or butters so I knew it

couldn't be that. I believe he dumped them all out then after about

a month. I don't believe SCD added any problems, in fact, I think it

helped get rid of the oxalates.

But I found a lot of support and answers from a the Vitamin K Group.

who is the moderator has a lot of research and answers.

She might be able to help answer some of your questions. She advises

the Vitamin K protocol to help with oxalate issues. The list serve

address is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/. She also

is supportive of SCD and disagrees that SCD is high oxalate diet.

I am sure a moderator will repond soon and have more to help you.

Hope this helps,

Hinojosa, mother to Benito, 3.5 yo, SCD since 2/14/07

>

> Thank you for all these info, Im very gratefull for all you

help me.

>

> But, there is one more thing I want to ask you and all others.

>

> Two months ago my son was ill from bronchopneumony and we were in

hospital in our capitol for 2 weeks. As every med check up Dr make a

med check up on his kidneys and told us that he has a sand in his

kidneys. But, Drs explain us that this is not dangerous and that this

is some kind of sediment, grounds and that when we come home we need

to buy some mixture, to drink and everything is going to be OK.

> I must agree that we didnt make any efort to do something for it,

it saty in my mind to do something, but as Drs say its not dangerous

I saty calm and forget. Yestarday I receive a letter from one lady

who mention that long term tea drinking may cause oxilate. Today I

receive another mail and read that in autistic children this is

common and many children has this kind of issue.

> I try to explain to this group that my son drink tea a lot and

that Drs told us that he has as sand in his kidneys but not seriosly.

> I receive mails that it looks like oxilates and that it is

becoase of gut problem, and oxilates, that I we need to eat low

oxilate food, that we can not start SCD becoase SCD is full of

oxilate etc, and I was adviced to ask other groups for this.

> So I became very worried of my son situation. Im going tomorow to

Dr and speak about this, but please tell me is is dangerous, can we

use SCD, I need much time to find the way out and here comes the

problem with oxilates.

> Please any advice and experience!!!

> Regards

> Goran

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Golan,

The science is on the side of SCD!

The reason that children with autism have oxalate issues is because they have GI

problems such as a leaky gut. That is the view point of Owens, the woman

who runs the oxalate project.

Another view point is that of Shaw who states that oxalates are produced

by yeast.

Since SCD helps gut and yeast issues then we can solve the problem without doing

a diet that eliminates oxalates and just follow SCD.

http://www.pecanbread.com/new/ox1.html

http://gutresearch.com/introduction.html

At the last DAN!, the scientific committee made the decision that new

parents would be advised to do g/f c/f diet first, and if that

failed, then do SCD, and then if that failed, to do low

oxalate. This was written by Owens on Nov 16, 2006 message #12595 on her

Yahoo list.

Why did the DAN doctors come up with this resolution? Parents should investigate

the reasons for this before implemented the low oxalate diet.

It is easier if parents got together and research it together. There is a

special Yahoo group created for parents who want to get together to investigate

the Low Oxalate Diet:

SCDandLOD-subscribe

If SCD is not working for you then get help from the list or from counselors.

The cost of SCD counselors is cheaper than the cost of the supplements that are

required on low oxalate.

I have been reading the lists for new diets that claim to be better than SCD.

The more I read, the more I appreciate and love SCD.

Mimi

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Hi ,

It may be oxalates or from bacterial overgrowth (microbial action on

bile salts). The " sandy stools " are very common when starting the

diet especially with die off. Lately it gets attributed oxalates

but.... unless you get it tested in a lab for content it may be

something else.

Here's some posts from our old list about sandy, grainy stools:

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/archive?id=223206

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/archive?id=258543

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

<< My son had " sand " or oxalates in his urine and his stools. The

first

> month of being on SCD my son dumped an incredible amount of

oxalates

> out via his urine and stools. So much that his stools were almost

> pure " sand " . He wasn't on any nut flours or butters so I knew it

> couldn't be that. I believe he dumped them all out then after

about

> a month. I don't believe SCD added any problems, in fact, I think

it

> helped get rid of the oxalates.>>