Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Judy Chinitz urges people to buy her book in her talks. Her book encouratges parents to change SCD. ________________________________________ Loving Care Grammy Gay CD-1994,SCD-1997 Put my address in your address book. Grammy_Bauer@... *My Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ hebegb70@... Support Group *Put in Subject: SCDiet SCD Pals or help. *** Or I may not see your post to me. SCD™ Support Groups: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/support/support.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SCD Store:http://www.scdiet.com/store/index.html Chalmers *LIST OF SCD FOODS: E-mail to scdiet@... SCDiet.com will provide this at no charge. In the subject put CARD REQUEST Give your name and address to get it snail mail. --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 What is the basis of this statement? Please explain yourself. Judy Chinitz, a friend of Elaine Gottschall's and mother of a son who was helped greatly by SCD, is also a nutritionist. She is NOT encouraging parents to change SCD. Her help, through her many talks and now through her book and her nutrititionist consultative work is helping many, many children. My son is recovering and entering mainstream kindergarten, and I know that Judy was instrumental in that. Please be clear if you are going to attack someone's work. Kathleen > > > Judy Chinitz urges people to buy her book in her talks. Her book encouratges parents to change SCD. > > > > ________________________________________ > Loving Care Grammy Gay CD-1994,SCD-1997 > Put my address in your address book. > Grammy_Bauer@... > *My Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ > hebegb70@... Support Group > *Put in Subject: SCDiet SCD Pals or help. > *** Or I may not see your post to me. > SCD™ Support Groups: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/support/support.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SCD Store:http://www.scdiet.com/store/index.html Chalmers > *LIST OF SCD FOODS: E-mail to scdiet@... > SCDiet.com will provide this at no charge. > In the subject put CARD REQUEST > Give your name and address to get it snail mail. > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Perhaps this is a simple case of a typo. Maybe Grammy Bauer's intent was to say, Her book encourages parents to change *to* SCD? K Hashi's, Fibro, CFS, yeast/candida, copper overload, adrenal fatigue (mostly healed!!!) Kids: son Rhowan 5 yrs old, chronic loose stools/diarrhea, ADHD, yeast/candida, salicylate intolerance; daughter Willow 6.5 yrs old, mild GI issues, salicylate intolerance SCD take two 1 month (today is day 2 of our intro diet!) > > > > > > Judy Chinitz urges people to buy her book in her talks. Her book > encouratges parents to change SCD. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > Loving Care Grammy Gay CD-1994,SCD-1997 > > Put my address in your address book. > > Grammy_Bauer@ > > *My Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ > > hebegb70@ Support Group > > *Put in Subject: SCDiet SCD Pals or help. > > *** Or I may not see your post to me. > > SCD™ Support Groups: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/support/support.htm > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SCD Store:http://www.scdiet.com/store/index.html Chalmers > > *LIST OF SCD FOODS: E-mail to scdiet@ > > SCDiet.com will provide this at no charge. > > In the subject put CARD REQUEST > > Give your name and address to get it snail mail. > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 > > Perhaps this is a simple case of a typo. Maybe Grammy Bauer's intent > was to say, Her book encourages parents to change *to* SCD? > > It is not a typo. Dr. Sidney Baker co-authored the book in the sense that he intersperses his own comments and findings in italics alternating with Judy's story. He does support SCD as his choice of a good intervention Dr. Baker was very impressed with The China Study which was discussed at a conference he attended. You can read about it via " Google. " He comments that children should be taken off of SCD as soon as possible and sharply reduce consumption of animal protein. The exact remarks likely fall under copyright so I hesitate to print excerpts without permission and do not want to start a tempest in teapot. This may or may not reflect Judy's opinion and she may feel people will attach too much importance to Dr. Baker's comments. As a person who follows the adult and not ASD version of SCD, I am not the most qualified to comment beyond my observation that not all DAN doctors embrace SCD and some DANs recognize diet as an important part of the ASD puzzle but most are interested in many other treatments as well. None of us are trying to detract from or discount Judy's heroic battle to save her son and her travails are positively inspiring in view of the extent of " disabilities. She comments repeatedly on the positive role played by SCD. Those on this list know how protective I am of Elaine's legacy, almost to a fault and often to the annoyance of selected parents whose comments cause me to flee periodically.. Both Judy and Dr. Baker are to be commended for continuing to research autism solutions but I get nervous when anyone proposes to change the basic tenets of SCD. Carol F. SCD7 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thanks for all of the information Carol. I do not own the book personally and thought that it described how to do SCD. I was unaware of the doctor's opinion/comments on animal protein etc. What a shame. K Hashi's, Fibro, CFS, yeast/candida, copper overload, adrenal fatigue(mostly healed!!!!) kids: son Rhowan, 5 yrs old, chronic loose stools/diarrhea, ADHD, yeast/candida, salicylate intolerance; daughter Willow 6.5 yrs old, mild GI issues, salicylate intolerance SCD take two 1 month (today is day two of our intro diet) > > > > Perhaps this is a simple case of a typo. Maybe Grammy Bauer's intent > > was to say, Her book encourages parents to change *to* SCD? > > > > > It is not a typo. > > Dr. Sidney Baker co-authored the book in the sense that he intersperses his own > comments and findings in italics alternating with Judy's story. He does support SCD as his > choice of a good intervention > > Dr. Baker was very impressed with The China Study which was discussed at a conference > he attended. You can read about it via " Google. " > > He comments that children should be taken off of SCD as soon as possible and sharply > reduce consumption of animal protein. The exact remarks likely fall under copyright so I > hesitate to print excerpts without permission and do not want to start a tempest in teapot. > > This may or may not reflect Judy's opinion and she may feel people will attach too much > importance to Dr. Baker's comments. > > As a person who follows the adult and not ASD version of SCD, I am not the most qualified > to comment beyond my observation that not all DAN doctors embrace SCD and some > DANs recognize diet as an important part of the ASD puzzle but most are interested in > many other treatments as well. > > None of us are trying to detract from or discount Judy's heroic battle to save her son > and her travails are positively inspiring in view of the extent of " disabilities. She > comments repeatedly on the positive role played by SCD. > > Those on this list know how protective I am of Elaine's legacy, almost to a fault and often > to the annoyance of selected parents whose comments cause me to flee periodically.. > > Both Judy and Dr. Baker are to be commended for continuing to research autism solutions > but I get nervous when anyone proposes to change the basic tenets of SCD. > > Carol F. > SCD7 years > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 > > Thanks for all of the information Carol. I do not own the book > personally and thought that it described how to do SCD. I was unaware > of the doctor's opinion/comments on animal protein etc. What a shame. > Please do not think I am suggesting people do not read the book. Just be aware that there is one book that explains how to do SCD and that is BTVC. Judy's book is her story, Elaine's book is our diet. Inquiring minds need to know what people are doing or saying and need to integrate information and have awareness. I think if Judy didn't give up after nearly committing suicide and taking with her and went on to fight for his survival and further educate herself as well and help so many others, it is as I stated before, " heroic. " ( Plus the time it took to write the book.) It is my opinion that if Elaine were alive she would be very proud of Judy but at the same time, very perturbed at changing the basic tenets of the diet. It can't hurt to add more vegetables to the diet and not allow it to become a high protein diet, but removing all but a little protein would not likely be acceptable. I realize I am speculating and being a bit presumptuous her but those of us who will probably agree. Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Oh right, no I didn't think you were trying to suggest that people should not read the book. I just personally think it is a shame that such a great story about the success of SCD was made just a little less useful as an additional source of information about the diet by the comments of a doctor with his own opinions/ideas about SCD. I found the same to be true of Dr. Natasha -McBride's book, Gut and Psychology Syndrome. It contains so much priceless information that is so right on that it is an almost perfect book on the subject of gut dysbiosis and how it affects health and well being, but then she alters SCD a bit suggesting different probiotic protocols, etc etc. Changing SCD without stating clearly that is what you are doing and how you've altered it from the original I think is a shame. It waters down the understanding of SCD overall I think. Of course, I still very highly recommend Gut and Psychology Syndrome, just with a caveat about the changes to SCD. I do plan on reading Judy's book. I am hoping it will be good inspiration and motivation to keep on keeping on. :-) And I couldn't agree more with your comment, " Inquiring minds need to know what people are doing or saying and need to integrate information and have awareness. " K > > > Please do not think I am suggesting people do not read the book. Just be aware that there > is one book that explains how to do SCD and that is BTVC. Judy's book is her story, > Elaine's book is our diet. > > Inquiring minds need to know what people are doing or saying and need to integrate > information and have awareness. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 > > Oh right, no I didn't think you were trying to suggest that people > should not read the book. I just personally think it is a shame that > such a great story about the success of SCD was made just a little > less useful as an additional source of information about the diet by > the comments of a doctor with his own opinions/ideas about SCD. I > found the same to be true of Dr. Natasha -McBride's book, Gut > and Psychology Syndrome. It contains so much priceless information > that is so right on that it is an almost perfect book on the subject > of gut dysbiosis and how it affects health and well being, but then > she alters SCD a bit suggesting different probiotic protocols, etc > etc. Changing SCD without stating clearly that is what you are doing > and how you've altered it from the original I think is a shame. It > waters down the understanding of SCD overall I think. Of course, I > still very highly recommend Gut and Psychology Syndrome, just with a > caveat about the changes to SCD. > > I do plan on reading Judy's book. I am hoping it will be good > inspiration and motivation to keep on keeping on. :-) And I couldn't > agree more with your comment, " Inquiring minds need to know what > people are doing or saying and need to integrate information and have > awareness. " > > K Let's give credit where credit is due. I am reminded that :Dr. Sydney Baker brought SCD to DAN and enabled Elaine to speak at three conferences. He has been a true and singular support of SCD to the upper echilons of the autism world. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 > Let's give credit where credit is due. > > I am reminded that :Dr. Sydney Baker brought SCD to DAN and enabled Elaine to speak at > three conferences. He has been a true and singular support of SCD to the upper echilons > of the autism world. > > Carol F. > Good point. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 I wish Judy had written her book three plus years ago when I started SCD with my child. Her information on the regressions should be mandatory reading for anyone starting SCD. Her viewpoint is critical because it looks at how SCD works for kids on the autistic spectrum. Kate > > > > > > > > > Judy Chinitz urges people to buy her book in her talks. Her book > > encouratges parents to change SCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > Loving Care Grammy Gay CD-1994,SCD-1997 > > > Put my address in your address book. > > > Grammy_Bauer@ > > > *My Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ > > > hebegb70@ Support Group > > > *Put in Subject: SCDiet SCD Pals or help. > > > *** Or I may not see your post to me. > > > SCD™ Support Groups: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/support/support.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > SCD Store:http://www.scdiet.com/store/index.html Chalmers > > > *LIST OF SCD FOODS: E-mail to scdiet@ > > > SCDiet.com will provide this at no charge. > > > In the subject put CARD REQUEST > > > Give your name and address to get it snail mail. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > > surfing. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear List, As a parent whose child has been on SCD for 3 years, I was shocked to see this exchange. Judy's book not only describes her story and those of others but clearly deliniates the diet with no deviation. I know this because my son in one of the succcess story featured in her book. He is now entering into the 2nd grade in the mainstream. Judy has done nothing but advocate for SCD as Elaine intended. Sid Baker is a true advocate as well and was willing to stand behind SCD. His commentary about reducing animal protein in favor of more fruits and veggies is in no way a conflict to the diet and is actually correct.I don't believe that SCD was intended to be an all animal protein diet. Giving the impression or outwardly saying that Judy has changed the diet, which is false, only deters parents from reading her book. How awful it would be for a parent not to have this important resource. Aren't we all on the same side in helping children? I have actually stood next to Judy when parents have approached her for her helping to save their child's life. What could be more important? > > > > Let's give credit where credit is due. > > > > I am reminded that :Dr. Sydney Baker brought SCD to DAN and enabled > Elaine to speak at > > three conferences. He has been a true and singular support of SCD > to the upper echilons > > of the autism world. > > > > Carol F. > > > > > > Good point. > > K > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear List, my daughter and my husband are on the SCD since May. They are both affected by UC and are without symptoms since then. So I cannot stop thanking Elaine and you all. I read your messages regularly but I am afraid I do not always understand your abbreviations. What is a DAN doctor please? I am arranging the diet to the Italian life style and to what we can find here, I have also tryed to contact an editor for having Elaine's book translated in Italian, but they stepped back when they heard that the book had not been translated into italian. I will try to contact another editor in september and perhaps translate the book myself and look for support from local gastroenterologists. The diet is wonderful, just expensive and it takes a long time for children to adapt to it. They feel hungry all the time without the traditional fullfilling flour and they feel full only if they have a considerable amount of meat. But I am sure this will change and a few months of a bit too much protein does not harm anybody, especially growing children. My husband does not feel hungry all the time and eats much less than our 16 years old daughter. I would not know how to manage without your constant support. I find very difficult to organize the foods in the summer with the holidays and the travelling. Teen agers go out a lot in the summer and we are an international family, so we go to England and to the south of Italy and my daughter goes to France to learn french and so on..... The other summers I would stay in Rome and work most of the time while they went to stay with grandparents or friends, this year I am lacking concentration at work! This year all I can think about is shopping and cooking. But I am so happy that she is well, her D and blood and pain and planning for more intense or invasive treatments seem a bad dream of the past. Her doctors were even talking about surgery. My only readings are BTVC, Eat well feel well and the other recipe book Eating without grains or something like that. I had to change most of the recipes as my daughter is a bit of a picky eater and does not like mixed sweet and sour tastes. I will buy Judy's book even if it has more about autism than inflammatory bowel disease. I just would like to know if anybody has gone back to a regular diet after 3 years or so (without junk foods, of course) and how they did it. Thanks again and all the best to all of you Stefania > Dear List, > As a parent whose child has been on SCD for 3 years, > I was shocked to > see this exchange. Judy's book not only describes > her story and those > of others but clearly deliniates the diet with no > deviation. I know > this because my son in one of the succcess story > featured in her > book. He is now entering into the 2nd grade in the > mainstream. Judy > has done nothing but advocate for SCD as Elaine > intended. Sid Baker > is a true advocate as well and was willing to stand > behind SCD. His > commentary about reducing animal protein in favor of > more fruits and > veggies is in no way a conflict to the diet and is > actually correct.I > don't believe that SCD was intended to be an all > animal protein > diet. Giving the impression or outwardly saying > that Judy has > changed the diet, which is false, only deters > parents from reading > her book. How awful it would be for a parent not to > have this > important resource. Aren't we all on the same side > in helping > children? I have actually stood next to Judy when > parents have > approached her for her helping to save their child's > life. What could > be more important? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's give credit where credit is due. > > > > > > I am reminded that :Dr. Sydney Baker brought SCD > to DAN and > enabled > > Elaine to speak at > > > three conferences. He has been a true and > singular support of SCD > > to the upper echilons > > > of the autism world. > > > > > > Carol F. > > > > > > > > > > > Good point. > > > > K > > > > > ___________________________________ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 > > What is a > DAN doctor please? http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari-lists/danus.html >>>>>>>> > The diet is wonderful, just expensive and it takes a > long time for children to adapt to it. They feel > hungry all the time without the traditional > fullfilling flour and they feel full only if they have > a considerable amount of meat. But I am sure this will > change and a few months of a bit too much protein does > not harm anybody, especially growing children. >>>>>>>>> > My only readings are BTVC, Eat well feel well and > the other recipe book Eating without grains or > something like that. Grain-Free Gourmet >>>> > I will buy Judy's book even if it has more about > autism than inflammatory bowel disease. I just would > like to know if anybody has gone back to a regular > diet after 3 years or so (without junk foods, of > course) and how they did it. Stefania. I have not gone back to a regular diet after seven years but I love SCD! This whole meat thing has currently become a question of math :-) Judy feels it can do no harm to add more fruit and vegetables, Dr. Baker, co-author of her book wants to subtract some of the meat, Elaine wanted us to maintain a healthy balance. Dr. Baker was influenced by a conference about " The China Study. " I suspect when they broke for lunch everyone was hungry again thirty minutes later LOL! Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I missed the name of Judy's cookbook? mrshoho1998 wrote: I wish Judy had written her book three plus years ago when I started SCD with my child. Her information on the regressions should be mandatory reading for anyone starting SCD. Her viewpoint is critical because it looks at how SCD works for kids on the autistic spectrum. Kate > > > > > > > > > Judy Chinitz urges people to buy her book in her talks. Her book > > encouratges parents to change SCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > Loving Care Grammy Gay CD-1994,SCD-1997 > > > Put my address in your address book. > > > Grammy_Bauer@ > > > *My Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ > > > hebegb70@ Support Group > > > *Put in Subject: SCDiet SCD Pals or help. > > > *** Or I may not see your post to me. > > > SCD™ Support Groups: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/support/support.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > SCD Store:http://www.scdiet.com/store/index.html Chalmers > > > *LIST OF SCD FOODS: E-mail to scdiet@ > > > SCDiet.com will provide this at no charge. > > > In the subject put CARD REQUEST > > > Give your name and address to get it snail mail. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > > surfing. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 > > I missed the name of Judy's cookbook? > Do you mean: " We Band of Mothers? " (It is not a cookbook.) Carol F. SCD7 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Yes, . " We Band of Mothers " . It is not a cook book, it is a success story and a very informative book on SCD for autism. I am really disappointed in this discussion as I have known Judy for several years. She encouraged me to put my child on SCD. She urged me to read Elaine's book and never encouraged me to alter the diet or for that matter, never encouraged me to buy her book. Her lectures are informative and have done nothing but help draw attention to the benefits of SCD for children with autism. I'm glad she finally wrote the book. Dr Baker's comments on reducing protein and adding more plant-based foods does not " alter " the basis of the diet in any way. I think you give people the wrong impression of Judy when you make comments like this. Candace > > > > I missed the name of Judy's cookbook? > > > Do you mean: " We Band of Mothers? " (It is not a cookbook.) > > Carol F. > SCD7 years, celiac > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hi candacy, I am confused I haven' ben in on any discussion I just was asking what book was being talked about. stacy mcszb wrote: Yes, . " We Band of Mothers " . It is not a cook book, it is a success story and a very informative book on SCD for autism. I am really disappointed in this discussion as I have known Judy for several years. She encouraged me to put my child on SCD. She urged me to read Elaine's book and never encouraged me to alter the diet or for that matter, never encouraged me to buy her book. Her lectures are informative and have done nothing but help draw attention to the benefits of SCD for children with autism. I'm glad she finally wrote the book. Dr Baker's comments on reducing protein and adding more plant-based foods does not " alter " the basis of the diet in any way. I think you give people the wrong impression of Judy when you make comments like this. Candace > > > > I missed the name of Judy's cookbook? > > > Do you mean: " We Band of Mothers? " (It is not a cookbook.) > > Carol F. > SCD7 years, celiac > --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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