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Can someone answer my question about the amount of meat that Elaine says an

SCDer should eat vs. Judy or the doctor or the China study, etc? Did Elaine

actually give an amount of protein that should be consumed -- this info would be

very helpful to me.

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Hi ,

I am on my way out with the kids, but found this for you:

Sheila

From the lyris files:

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/archive?id=274024

also see http://lyris.dundee.net/read/archive?id=274033

" Dear All

As I wrote to Carol a few minutes ago, great care was made by Dr. Sidney

Valentine Haas to include the foods in SCD which, when used intelligently,

would comprise a well balanced, healthful, therapeutic diet.

I worked very hard, even on the infant formula to do the same. Many of you

were a bit disturbed with me when I became emphatic (ballistic) when members

of the list kept pushing a low carb diet and I even threatened to take it

to the courts because SCD is not a low carb diet.

This issue needs some further explanation and I will copy verbatim from one

of my " bibles, " " Modern Nutrition in Health and Disease " by Goodhart and

Shils, page 57.

HOWEVER, the email from Donna P (Joey's Mom)(morpheus) says it all and this

comes from an expert at Tufts University.

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Effect of excessive amounts of protein in diet:

The amino acid requirements are high in infancy, childhood, adolescence and

during pregnancy because large amounts of protein are newly formed in the

rapidly growing tissues. Synthesis of milk proteins during lactation and

growth of msucle tissue in the course of atheletic training also increase

the adult requirements. Similarly, replacement of lost tissue during

convalescence after consumptive diseases or during rehabilitation FOLLOWING

MALNUTRITION (caps are mind) requires an ample supply of dietary amino

acids.

The utilization of dietary amino acids for protein synthesis is limited by

the actual requirements of the body for growth and maintenance.

Protein, unlike fat, cannot be stored in appreciable quantities; therefore,

dietary amino acids consumed in excess of the requirements are further

metabolised, i.e. after decarboxylation they enter the common mill by which

carbohydrates and fats are utilized. It is therefore not economical to feed

relatively expensive high-protein foods in abnormally high quantitites.

The question whether consumption of excessive amounts of proteins has any

harmful effect cannot be answered without qualification. It is well

established that Arctic explorers and other persons kept on well-controlled

diets, subsisting for many years mainly on meat, do not develop any

pathological symptoms. We can, therefore, conclude that normal adults seem

able to tolerate a protein intake far above actual requirements. Infants

and children, particularly those not adapted to high-protein foods, do not

do well on diets containing large amounts of protein. It is, therefore,

recommneded by several authors that the protein intake be increased only

gradually. this suggestion has to be considered, particularly in connection

with rehabilitation diets given after malnutrition.

Note from Elaine:

One must conclude from the above that if children had been suffering from

malnutrition (and from what I have seen of some of the previous diets before

SCD, they were suffering from malnutrition) then, if the child is not eating

sufficient fruits, veggies and baked goods made with honey and ground up

pecans and almonds, feeding large amounts of protein to the exclusion of

fruits and veggies is not a good idea altho, as the following will explain,

will not do lasting harm.

To continue with Goodhart and Shils:

In addition to decreased protein efficiency, excessive ingestion of protein

may lead to fluid imbalances. This circumstances arises from the fact that,

whereas 350 gm of water are required for the metabolism of 100 calories of

protein, approximately 50 gm of water are required for the metabolism of 100

gm of calories of either carbohydrates or fats.

Thus, the consumption of protein over and above 15% of the total caloric

intake, can lead to increased water requirements and increased levels of end

products of protein metabolism in the bloodstream. These associated

phenomena have been designated the protein overload effect. It is obvious

that the therapeutic use of high protein diets should be carefully

controlled.

Note from Elaine:

Remember: SCD is not a low protein diet aand those trying to make it one

are perverting it.

To continue:

The idea that excessive protein intake may lead to development of, or

aggravate already existing hypertension or that it may cause toxic

complications of pregnancy HAS BEEN ABANDONED (caps mine). the assumption

that protein foods, due to its specific dynamic effect, may adversely

influence the course of febrile diseases also proved to be false. The idea

that large amounts of protein MAY DAMAGE THE KIDNEYS OR LIVER HAS NEVER BEEN

SUPPORTED BY OBSERVATIONS IN MAN (caps mine). Even the exclusion of protein

from the diet of people with developed liver or kidney damage is an obsolete

practice.

More recent studies have shown that diets containing ample amounts of

protein very often improve the healing tendency in liver or kidney diseases.

Discussion goes on about special cases like PKU, cystinuria. etc. "

To: pecanbread

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:22:00 PM

Subject: tweak

Can someone answer my question about the amount of meat that Elaine says an

SCDer should eat vs. Judy or the doctor or the China study, etc? Did Elaine

actually give an amount of protein that should be consumed -- this info would be

very helpful to me.

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