***When to try yogurt*** Please read

[Guest guest]

Hi listmates,

This is from the website at http://pecanbread.com/new/yogurt1.html

" FAQ for Goat Yogurt.

When am I ready to start the yogurt?

" When the initial die off reaction to SCD has subsided and things are

stable so that you can gauge the reaction to the yogurt. This delay

is only for children who were casein free prior to SCD. Children who

were eating dairy before SCD can start consuming the yogurt right

away.... "

Years ago some thought that it might be best to wait a while (even

months) before starting yogurt. In the years to follow we have noted

that the yogurt is very well tolerated after some healing occurs and

can actively help heal the gut. It is best to wait until die off

symptoms either stop or level off. Also if there are severe bowel

problems once improvements are seen they are often able to start with

the tiny portions of SCD yogurt and gradually increase it. Waiting

for the die off to subside allows people starting yogurt to note what

a die off reaction is like (which will likely happen with the

introduction of yogurt) and not confuse any die off reactions with

intolerance of yogurt. The remainder of the " Yogurt " portion of the

website is very important reading for any who are starting/or are

nervous about starting yogurt.

I wanted to clear up any confusion about starting dairy/yogurt on SCD

since some people may be leaving the diet after a few weeks thinking

it wasn't recommended that they even try dairy. These people may be

missing out on one of the great things about SCD.

So the options are as follows:

1. Do SCD with dairy from the beginning,

2. Wait until die off subsides and bowels improve before adding in

yogurt,

3. try SCD dairy when you are comfortable with the idea of dairy

products, or

4. skip dairy altogether

The choice is up to you.

Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

Pecanbread moderator

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I've read all the stuff about the yogurt on the website. I

understand what all you're saying. But, my question is a little

different.

The result for lots of ASD kids consuming casein is horrible

behavior outside of any internal physical results. I know you can

tell PHYSICALLY when you can tolerate it. But my question is, for

our ASD kids, when they can tolerate it, should the behavioral

(spacey, aggitated, out of control, bizarre) behavioral also

subside? Or can that question be answered?

Also, does the body eventually heal up to the point that they can

tolerate milk products or are you always totally casein free? I

know results vary from person to person. So, I don't necessarily

want a guarantee, but a rough idea.

Thanks for the info.

Bonita

son, - Asperger's, ADHD, OCD, food allergies

>

> Hi listmates,

>

> This is from the website at http://pecanbread.com/new/yogurt1.html

>

> " FAQ for Goat Yogurt.

>

> When am I ready to start the yogurt?

>

> " When the initial die off reaction to SCD has subsided and things

are

> stable so that you can gauge the reaction to the yogurt. This

delay

> is only for children who were casein free prior to SCD. Children

who

> were eating dairy before SCD can start consuming the yogurt right

> away.... "

>

> Years ago some thought that it might be best to wait a while (even

> months) before starting yogurt. In the years to follow we have

noted

> that the yogurt is very well tolerated after some healing occurs

and

> can actively help heal the gut. It is best to wait until die off

> symptoms either stop or level off. Also if there are severe bowel

> problems once improvements are seen they are often able to start

with

> the tiny portions of SCD yogurt and gradually increase it.

Waiting

> for the die off to subside allows people starting yogurt to note

what

> a die off reaction is like (which will likely happen with the

> introduction of yogurt) and not confuse any die off reactions with

> intolerance of yogurt. The remainder of the " Yogurt " portion of

the

> website is very important reading for any who are starting/or are

> nervous about starting yogurt.

>

> I wanted to clear up any confusion about starting dairy/yogurt on

SCD

> since some people may be leaving the diet after a few weeks

thinking

> it wasn't recommended that they even try dairy. These people may

be

> missing out on one of the great things about SCD.

>

> So the options are as follows:

>

> 1. Do SCD with dairy from the beginning,

> 2. Wait until die off subsides and bowels improve before adding in

> yogurt,

> 3. try SCD dairy when you are comfortable with the idea of dairy

> products, or

> 4. skip dairy altogether

>

> The choice is up to you.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

> Pecanbread moderator

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonita,

<<The result for lots of ASD kids consuming casein is horrible

> behavior outside of any internal physical results. I know you can

> tell PHYSICALLY when you can tolerate it. But my question is, for

> our ASD kids, when they can tolerate it, should the behavioral

> (spacey, aggitated, out of control, bizarre) behavioral also

> subside? Or can that question be answered?>>

Since the casein is denatured, children who can tolerate the goat

yogurt do not have behavioural reactions. However, the children will

very likely have a die off reaction which if monitored closely does

not " look " like intolerance. Some of the possible symptoms of

intolerance are the behavioural symptoms you wrote of along with

physical symptoms (stomach aches, excessive bloating etc..) . Some

of the signs of die off are lethargy, rashes (as toxins leave the

body), worsening GI symptoms etc.. It can be tricky for parents to

distinguish between intolerance and die off. If unsure they can

look for guidance on the list from old timers or new parents who've

been through it.

<<Also, does the body eventually heal up to the point that they can

> tolerate milk products or are you always totally casein free? I

> know results vary from person to person. So, I don't necessarily

> want a guarantee, but a rough idea.>>

The body *should* be able to heal up to the point where it is able to

tolerate milk products. I know people have reported eating other

illegals after healing a few years on SCD - such illegals as

croissants etc.. - with no ill effects. I don't recall if any one

has reported being fine with milk (and undenatured casein) or not

after years of healing. Often when people get healed sufficiently

they don't report back to the lists anylonger. Perhaps some of the

other SCD 'veterans' (if reading this) could also comment (Carol F.,

Charlene etc..)?

Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and