Concerned/paranoid about yeast

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This post is mostly for Sheila (mom of and ), but I'd

appreciate any feedback.

We had Charlie tested for organic acids at Great Plains about 9 months

ago and he showed high for tartaric acid which they indicated was

probably a yeast problem. We've been giving him S. Boulardii

regularly since then (3B CFU per day). I stopped the S. Boulardii

during the intro diet, and re-started it today, two days after

starting the honey. (I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Maybe

I have yeast issues, too.)

Aside from spotty periods of irritability during the intro, he seemed

to be progressing nicely. Now he's having behavioral regressions (not

bad really, he's like he was two or three weeks ago), and I'm guessing

he may be having a yeast flare up. His stools, when he has them every

two or three days, have been quit firm.

Do you think I'm making sense? If so, I read this link

(http://www.pecanbread.com/new/yeastsheila.html) and would like some

additional pointers. Should I use the natural anti-fungals, or do you

think S. Boulardii and Candizyme are enough? If/when I start the

anti-yeast regimen in earnest, how limited should the sugars be?

Right now we're probably getting less than 6 tablespoons of honey a

day between the two of us. Is that too much? How about fruit juice?

Do we need to go totally low-carb or are fruit juices less trouble

than honey?

You may want to know what he's eating so here it is:

Intro Foods

-----------

Fried eggs w/coconut oil

Dilute grape juice

Chicken soup with pureed carrots

Broiled Bison burger

Grape gelatin

Glycerin/Baking Soda/Salt toothpaste

Hard Boiled Eggs

Chicken Pancakes

Add-ons

-----------

Goat Yogurt

Honey

Vitamin supplements (Freeda SCD B-complex & Calcium Citrate)

S. Boulardii

Thanks,

Wayne

Charlie's dad, ASD, high tartaric acid (yeast probably)

Nut diet, 6 months; SCD 8 days.

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

<<We had Charlie tested for organic acids at Great Plains about 9

months

> ago and he showed high for tartaric acid which they indicated was

> probably a yeast problem. We've been giving him S. Boulardii

> regularly since then (3B CFU per day). I stopped the S. Boulardii

> during the intro diet, and re-started it today, two days after

> starting the honey. (I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Maybe> I have yeast issues, too.)>>

Are you able to replace honey with a different form of legal carb or

reduce it significantly? When my yeast was at its' worst I had to

almost eliminate it completely - I used only a small amount in the

homemade mayo.

<<Aside from spotty periods of irritability during the intro, he

seemed> to be progressing nicely. Now he's having behavioral

regressions (not> bad really, he's like he was two or three weeks

ago), and I'm guessing> he may be having a yeast flare up. His

stools, when he has them every> two or three days, have been quit

firm.>>

I became constipated with the yeast which was a totally new

experience for me. MY UC usually manifested itself with diarrhea or

loose stools. It actually got to the point where I became impacted.

You have to keep on top of it to prevent the constipation from

getting away from you. Epsom salt baths and activated charcoal will

help draw the toxins out of the body which should help reduce the

constipation. If this doesn't help enough some find the electrolyte

drink helps with constipation. I posted some info on how to make a

drink without honey at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/68210

If you want to make this with a commercial drink or a different

homemade one let me know and I can help you work out the amounts.

<< Do you think I'm making sense? If so, I read this link

> (http://www.pecanbread.com/new/yeastsheila.html) and would like some

> additional pointers. Should I use the natural anti-fungals, or do

you> think S. Boulardii and Candizyme are enough? If/when I start the

> anti-yeast regimen in earnest, how limited should the sugars be?>>

The honey should be reduced by at *least* 75% and only natural sugars

that are tolerated.

<<Right now we're probably getting less than 6 tablespoons of honey a

> day between the two of us. Is that too much?>>

If his symptoms are getting worse than it may be.

<< How about fruit juice?>>

Fruit juice is okay if it is tolerated. Once I started the S.

boulardii and enzymes I was finally able to retry some of the legal

(diluted) juices. For a long time I could not tolerate juice though -

it would result in thrush almost immediately, tongue ulcerations,

constipation, rashes etc..

<<Do we need to go totally low-carb or are fruit juices less trouble

> than honey?>>

For many with yeast some juices seem to be tolerated better than

honey. I was able to add diluted homemade OJ (no pulp) first.

You'll have to try them one by one to see what works for you.

I was okay with vegetables so got most of my carbs from them - I ate

a lot of pressure cooked veggies.

<< You may want to know what he's eating so here it is:

>

> Intro Foods

> -----------

> Fried eggs w/coconut oil

> Dilute grape juice

> Chicken soup with pureed carrots

> Broiled Bison burger

> Grape gelatin

> Glycerin/Baking Soda/Salt toothpaste

> Hard Boiled Eggs

> Chicken Pancakes>>

Many with yeast issues have had trouble with legal grape juice/grape

gelatin - you may want to try taking it out to see if that helps

reduce yeast.

<<Add-ons

> -----------

> Goat Yogurt>>

Are you using a legal starter and fermenting for 24 hours? When did

you start the yogurt? How much did you start with and how much are

you using now?

<< Honey

> Vitamin supplements (Freeda SCD B-complex & Calcium Citrate)

> S. Boulardii>>

Is the calcium citrate new? Some have trouble with the addition of

supplements.

You might want to start the nut muffins/nut bread to get the bowels

moving (to get the toxins out)

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs,

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks for looking at this, and I'm sorry it's taken so long to repond.

Intro Foods

-----------

Fried eggs w/coconut oil

Dilute grape juice

Chicken soup with pureed carrots

Broiled Bison burger

Grape gelatin

Glycerin/Baking Soda/Salt/Saccharine toothpaste

Hard Boiled Eggs

Chicken Pancakes

Add-ons

-----------

Goat Yogurt

Honey

Vitamin supplements (Freeda SCD B-complex & Calcium Citrate)

S. Boulardii

Unsweetend applesauce

Tomato Sauce

He was on the nut diet for about 6 months prior to the intro diet.

The only thing on this list that he didn't have during the nut diet

was the toothpaste and the B-complex. Everything is home-made except

the supplements and probiotics.

<<Are you able to replace honey with a different form of legal carb or

reduce it significantly? >>

He (and I) aren't going to like taking out the honey, but that's my

intent. In retrospect I'd say that the real problems started with the

honey, so it's got to go, at least for a while. If you could, I'd

greatly appreciate a list of what you thought were good alternatives,

especially veggies with relatively high carb content (like carrots).

He seemed to be doing well before the honey, and the intro diet

included the grape juice and gelatin, but he loves the grape juice,

and it may be a good rule of thumb that anything he's very, very fond

of may be a trouble maker. I'll try switching over to OJ.

<<You have to keep on top of it to prevent the constipation from

getting away from you.>>

He pooped again on Friday (very firm, very heavy and very dark from

the dark grape juice). I've been giving him an electrolyte drink

(water, salt baking soda and grape juice). I'll get some activated

charcoal. I haven't tried the pear juice or prune nectar. If there

is a legal commercial prune nectar that you know of, that would help,

otherwise I'll stew my own. I assume he'll start gettting more

regular as I add more veggies.

<<For a long time I could not tolerate juice though -

it would result in thrush almost immediately, tongue ulcerations,

constipation, rashes etc..>>

I was going to ask how you knew the yeast was getting bad or better,

but those are pretty clear and immediate respones. All we've got to

go on with Charlie is his behavior and an organic acid test that costs

$200 a try.

<<Are you using a legal starter and fermenting for 24 hours? When did

you start the yogurt? How much did you start with and how much are

you using now?>>

I've been making the yogurt for as long as we've been doing the nut

diet. I use GI Prohealth starter. I usually let it go for about 32

hours, and I'm as careful as I can be about the temperature. My only

concern is that the starter may have gotten messed up, either in

transit or because of refrigerator temperature control problems. It

seems to be runnier now than it once was. I think I'll get some new

starter and overnight it, just in case. I think I'll also put it in a

few drops of warm water with a drop of goat milk and look at it under

a microscope, to get an idea of what a properly lively starter looks

like. I hate guessing about something that's so easy to mess up, and

so important. As to quantity, I started Charlie with a teaspoon and

now he's up to about a 1/4 cup. He had the yogurt during the nut diet

phase, and he always seemed to tolerate it, and it seemed to help,

even if he didn't like the taste much. But he's been eating it well

since the the intro diet. I guess when all you get is chicken soup,

burger and eggs, anything starts to look good.

<<Is the calcium citrate new? Some have trouble with the addition of

supplements.>>

The calcium citrate is not new. The B-complex is. I'll be more

careful with the supplements from now on.

I bought some of that Candizyme stuff that you recommened. It says

you should take it just before bed and well after your last meal.

Kirkman also recommends taking the S. Boulardii on an empty stomach.

Did you take the Candizyme and S. Boulardii at the same time? or did

you try to keep them seperate? Do you think it would help to start

with a few days of intro diet when I start the enzyme (the blast 'em

approach), or do you think transitioning into an anti-yeast diet is

OK? Did you just use the 3 billion CFU capsule once a day, or did you

use more or less?

Thanks again for all your help.

Wayne

Charlie's dad, ASD w/yeast issues, nut diet 6 mos., SCD 13 days.

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

> Intro Foods

> -----------

> Fried eggs w/coconut oil

> Dilute grape juice

> Chicken soup with pureed carrots

> Broiled Bison burger

> Grape gelatin

> Glycerin/Baking Soda/Salt/Saccharine toothpaste

> Hard Boiled Eggs

> Chicken Pancakes

>

> Add-ons

> -----------

> Goat Yogurt

> Honey

> Vitamin supplements (Freeda SCD B-complex & Calcium Citrate)

> S. Boulardii

> Unsweetend applesauce

> Tomato Sauce

>

<< He (and I) aren't going to like taking out the honey, but that's my

> intent. In retrospect I'd say that the real problems started with

the> honey, so it's got to go, at least for a while. If you could,

I'd> greatly appreciate a list of what you thought were good

alternatives,> especially veggies with relatively high carb content

(like carrots). >>

Butternut, buttercup squash other winter squash peeled and cooked.

Some of the summer squashes are another alternative but aren't as

high in legal carbs. It is important to kep the bowels moving so the

introduction of other veggies would be good, cooked asparagus, cooked

spinach, - some tolerate the green beans early (just start with a

small amount to test them).

<<He seemed to be doing well before the honey, and the intro diet

> included the grape juice and gelatin, but he loves the grape juice,

> and it may be a good rule of thumb that anything he's very, very

fond> of may be a trouble maker. I'll try switching over to OJ.>>

>

> <<You have to keep on top of it to prevent the constipation from

> getting away from you.>>

>

> He pooped again on Friday (very firm, very heavy and very dark from

> the dark grape juice). I've been giving him an electrolyte drink

> (water, salt baking soda and grape juice). I'll get some activated

> charcoal. I haven't tried the pear juice or prune nectar. If there

> is a legal commercial prune nectar that you know of, that would

help,> otherwise I'll stew my own. I assume he'll start gettting more

> regular as I add more veggies.

Welch's used to make a legal prune nectar, you'll have to check the

ingredients.

> <<For a long time I could not tolerate juice though -

> it would result in thrush almost immediately, tongue ulcerations,

> constipation, rashes etc..>>

>

> I was going to ask how you knew the yeast was getting bad or better,

> but those are pretty clear and immediate respones. All we've got to

> go on with Charlie is his behavior and an organic acid test that

costs> $200 a try.

See http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html - it is a free at

home " potential " indicator of yeast. I did this and had all thrre

indicators, then followed up with a trip to my family doc who ran

tests that confirmed the yeast test, (blood and tongue/mouth swabs).

> <<Are you using a legal starter and fermenting for 24 hours? When

did

> you start the yogurt? How much did you start with and how much are

> you using now?>>

>

> I've been making the yogurt for as long as we've been doing the nut

> diet. I use GI Prohealth starter. I usually let it go for about 32

> hours, and I'm as careful as I can be about the temperature.>>

32 hours is a bit long. 24-29 hours is best for optimal bacteria

numbers and bacterial " friskiness " .

<< My only> concern is that the starter may have gotten messed up,

either in

> transit or because of refrigerator temperature control problems. It

> seems to be runnier now than it once was. I think I'll get some new

> starter and overnight it, just in case. I think I'll also put it

in a> few drops of warm water with a drop of goat milk and look at it

under> a microscope, to get an idea of what a properly lively starter

looks> like. I hate guessing about something that's so easy to mess

up, and> so important. As to quantity, I started Charlie with a

teaspoon and> now he's up to about a 1/4 cup. He had the yogurt

during the nut diet> phase, and he always seemed to tolerate it, and

it seemed to help,> even if he didn't like the taste much. But he's

been eating it well> since the the intro diet. I guess when all you

get is chicken soup,> burger and eggs, anything starts to look good.

>

> <<Is the calcium citrate new? Some have trouble with the addition of

> supplements.>>

>

> The calcium citrate is not new. The B-complex is. I'll be more

> careful with the supplements from now on.

>

<<I bought some of that Candizyme stuff that you recommened. It says

> you should take it just before bed and well after your last meal.

> Kirkman also recommends taking the S. Boulardii on an empty

stomach. > Did you take the Candizyme and S. Boulardii at the same

time? or did> you try to keep them seperate?>>

You need to keep the S. boulardii separate from the candizyme (yeast

enzyme) - because the candizyme will kill S. boulardii (good yeast).

I take the candizyme now before meals to help digestion and take the

S. boulardi at bedtime. You could try the S. boulardii between meals

(between breakfast and lunch or between lunch and supper/dinner) and

take the candizyme (or other yeast enzyme) at bedtime.

<< Do you think it would help to start> with a few days of intro

diet when I start the enzyme (the blast 'em> approach), or do you

think transitioning into an anti-yeast diet is> OK? Did you just use

the 3 billion CFU capsule once a day, or did you> use more or less?

I think transitioning to the yeast treatments maybe be better without

the intro because you are already pretty basic and going back to the

intro with the yeast treatment may overload him with die off.

Alternatively, you could go back to the intro for a day or two and

then begin the yeast treatment. This would help reduce yeast numbers

while feeding his body. Keep up or start epsom salt baths to help

die off symptoms.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheila for all your help and advice. I'm sure it will be

useful for me and many others.

Thanks again,

Wayne

[Guest guest]

If there is a legal nectar maybe it should be put on the legal list at

pecanbread. Pearl

Sheila wrote:

__,_Welch's used to make a legal prune nectar, you'll have to check the

ingredients.._,___

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