Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

[Guest guest]

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPERB.

Pat Iurato

Nevada

[Guest guest]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPERB.

Pat Iurato

Nevada

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

I want to say this:

I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my concerns. This

group is the ONLY group who can understand my situation. Everyone here knows

what it's like to obsess about not losing enough weight. Other people do not.

Everyone here knows what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who

are naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And each

person brings unique perspective.

I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses helps give me

a framework within which to discover a balance. The reminder that better

results will come with better food choices and exercise reminds me that I have

more control over the situation than I may think. And, the thought that some

people are different and may not have the scintillating results of others

reminds me not to be too hard on myself.

Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if something bad is

going to happen, it will happen to me, the responses that have been the most

encouraging to me are the ones reminding me to " give it time " and that I will

" be okay in the end " and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important. Please keep

sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm sure that there will be

things I won't like hearing (and yet may benefit from); things I think are

insensitive; and things I think are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to

hear you all. I need you all. Thank you for being there.

Love,

Sperb

11/9/2000

236/220/???

P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday to me!!!!!

LOL!

>>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

Hi everyone,

I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just felt

compelled to

respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last few

weeks.

Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the size of

her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as she did

before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly understanding

and

compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it like this:

We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough will

power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin, but

continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were different and

that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand us, nor did

they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like some MGB

post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a tool " , " we

still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think that what

might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took to make us

thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this anymore than

they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten different

results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down the road?

Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for many

post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same answers

we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If it was all

about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of us would

have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those who have

never been in our shoes...

Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

Jen

Ft Wayne

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

I want to say this:

I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my concerns. This

group is the ONLY group who can understand my situation. Everyone here knows

what it's like to obsess about not losing enough weight. Other people do not.

Everyone here knows what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who

are naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And each

person brings unique perspective.

I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses helps give me

a framework within which to discover a balance. The reminder that better

results will come with better food choices and exercise reminds me that I have

more control over the situation than I may think. And, the thought that some

people are different and may not have the scintillating results of others

reminds me not to be too hard on myself.

Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if something bad is

going to happen, it will happen to me, the responses that have been the most

encouraging to me are the ones reminding me to " give it time " and that I will

" be okay in the end " and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important. Please keep

sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm sure that there will be

things I won't like hearing (and yet may benefit from); things I think are

insensitive; and things I think are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to

hear you all. I need you all. Thank you for being there.

Love,

Sperb

11/9/2000

236/220/???

P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday to me!!!!!

LOL!

>>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

Hi everyone,

I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just felt

compelled to

respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last few

weeks.

Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the size of

her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as she did

before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly understanding

and

compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it like this:

We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough will

power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin, but

continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were different and

that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand us, nor did

they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like some MGB

post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a tool " , " we

still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think that what

might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took to make us

thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this anymore than

they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten different

results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down the road?

Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for many

post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same answers

we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If it was all

about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of us would

have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those who have

never been in our shoes...

Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

Jen

Ft Wayne

[Guest guest]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

As corny as that was I just ate it up. Picture me with a big smile on my

kisser.

Love,

sperb

>>> bedsoleboyd2@... 12/10/00 08:01PM >>>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

As corny as that was I just ate it up. Picture me with a big smile on my

kisser.

Love,

sperb

>>> bedsoleboyd2@... 12/10/00 08:01PM >>>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? Hearing you sing would set my tone deaf dears a-tingling!!!

LOL

Thanks for your kind wishes--I always look forward to your posts.

Love,

Sperb

>>> Judyh1022@... 12/10/00 08:39PM >>>

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? Hearing you sing would set my tone deaf dears a-tingling!!!

LOL

Thanks for your kind wishes--I always look forward to your posts.

Love,

Sperb

>>> Judyh1022@... 12/10/00 08:39PM >>>

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

>>> iseeu25232@... 12/10/00 09:52PM >>>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPERB.

Pat Iurato

Nevada

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

>>> iseeu25232@... 12/10/00 09:52PM >>>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPERB.

Pat Iurato

Nevada

[Guest guest]

DITTO, DITTO, DITTO, TO YOU.

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

DITTO, DITTO, DITTO, TO YOU.

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trust me, Sperb

You don't want her to sing!!!!

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Trust me, Sperb

You don't want her to sing!!!!

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Happy belated birthday Sperb!! I am a christmas baby myself.... Hope you

had a wonderful day......and many more to follow!

Lynnette

[Guest guest]

Happy belated birthday Sperb!! I am a christmas baby myself.... Hope you

had a wonderful day......and many more to follow!

Lynnette

[Guest guest]

Lynette,

Thanks for your well wishes. I think this has been my best b-day ever, with

lots of people wishing me well and treating me like I count! It's great!

Love,

sperb

>>> Lynnwrks2a@... 12/11/00 07:03PM >>>

Happy belated birthday Sperb!! I am a christmas baby myself.... Hope you

had a wonderful day......and many more to follow!

Lynnette

[Guest guest]

Lynette,

Thanks for your well wishes. I think this has been my best b-day ever, with

lots of people wishing me well and treating me like I count! It's great!

Love,

sperb

>>> Lynnwrks2a@... 12/11/00 07:03PM >>>

Happy belated birthday Sperb!! I am a christmas baby myself.... Hope you

had a wonderful day......and many more to follow!

Lynnette

[Guest guest]

Gee, I've always wanted a Ditto for my birthday. It's kind of like a round

tuit: but every year I'm so busy that I never get a round tuit. HA!

Love,

Sperb

>>> comic@... 12/11/00 10:44AM >>>

DITTO, DITTO, DITTO, TO YOU.

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gee, I've always wanted a Ditto for my birthday. It's kind of like a round

tuit: but every year I'm so busy that I never get a round tuit. HA!

Love,

Sperb

>>> comic@... 12/11/00 10:44AM >>>

DITTO, DITTO, DITTO, TO YOU.

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR

SPERBBBBBBB, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUU, AND MANYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOORE!!!

GREAT!!!! THAT IS THE FIRST TIME NO ONE NOTICED THAT I CAN'T SING, I

think.....

:-)sbb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:57:27 -0800 " Sperber "

writes:

> Thank you, Jen, for your kind and thoughtful post.

>

> I want to say this:

>

> I appreciate being able to come to this forum and express my

> concerns. This group is the ONLY group who can understand my

> situation. Everyone here knows what it's like to obsess about not

> losing enough weight. Other people do not. Everyone here knows

> what it means to be " lacking in will power " when others who are

> naturally thin don't understand how someone could " get so big. " And

> each person brings unique perspective.

>

> I welcome the varied responses. The wide range of these responses

> helps give me a framework within which to discover a balance. The

> reminder that better results will come with better food choices and

> exercise reminds me that I have more control over the situation than

> I may think. And, the thought that some people are different and

> may not have the scintillating results of others reminds me not to

> be too hard on myself.

>

> Because I tend to be obsessive and paranoid and feel that if

> something bad is going to happen, it will happen to me, the

> responses that have been the most encouraging to me are the ones

> reminding me to " give it time " and that I will " be okay in the end "

> and to " cross that bridge when I come to it. "

>

> For me, knowing that someone cares and understands is important.

> Please keep sharing--all of you--your experience and your hope. I'm

> sure that there will be things I won't like hearing (and yet may

> benefit from); things I think are insensitive; and things I think

> are useful, encouraging and wise. I want to hear you all. I need

> you all. Thank you for being there.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

> 11/9/2000

> 236/220/???

>

> P.S.---Today's my birthday, so I want you all to sing happy birthday

> to me!!!!! LOL!

>

>

>

> >>> ibcamille@... 11/30/00 05:27AM >>>

> Hi everyone,

> I really should be walking out the door to go to work, but I just

> felt

> compelled to

> respond to some of the things I've been reading on the list the last

> few

> weeks.

> Sperb had her surgery and since then has had concerns regarding the

> size of

> her stomach, the fact that she still has the same cravings etc as

> she did

> before the surgery. I guess what bothers me about this is that:

> Most of the responses I have seen, I think, have not be exactly

> understanding

> and

> compassionate. Not that anyone has been unkind, but think about it

> like this:

> We have all lived thru years of being told that we don't have enough

> will

> power, that there is something wrong with us if we want to be thin,

> but

> continue to eat and not exercise. We have always known we were

> different and

> that others who didn't have this problem really didn't understand

> us, nor did

> they have any real compassion for how it felt to be us. I feel like

> some MGB

> post-ops are now responding the same way to her. " this is only a

> tool " , " we

> still have to make wise choices " , " we need to exercise " . I think

> that what

> might be being overlooked is the fact that if that was all it took

> to make us

> thin and healthy, most post-ops would not be succeeding at this

> anymore than

> they did at regular diets. Isn't it possible that Sperb has gotten

> different

> results than most, maybe she will need a revision or something down

> the road?

> Maybe it is just as much of a struggle for her now, as it was for

> many

> post-ops BEFORE the surgery--- and what is she getting???? The same

> answers

> we have all gotten from the " thin world " for most of our lives. If

> it was all

> about choices, and exercise, and the surgery being a " tool " , none of

> us would

> have ever arrived at the place we are. Those things weren't enough.

> Ok, I feel better, Now i can get on with my day! We should have more

>

> understanding for each other.. I would expect that more from those

> who have

> never been in our shoes...

> Hang in there sperb, it will all work out!

> Jen

> Ft Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Poor Philly Jude--pick, pick, pick, pick, pick!!!! LOL

Love,

me

>>> comic@... 12/11/00 10:53AM >>>

Trust me, Sperb

You don't want her to sing!!!!

Trude

Re: About Sperb!--Sperb's reply

Sperb,

Trust me, you don't want me to sing to you!!!

But, I will give you the gift of NOT singing, and wish the very best birthday

ever. Fondly, PhillyJude