Please help Newbie with questions/problem

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm at a loss and need help. We started SCD June 23 with the

intro diet for 2 days. I added bananas, a small amount of green

beans and when I added applesauce he had soury light (yellowy) fluffy

poops. I stopped the applesauce and redid the intro diet at about

the 2wk point of the diet. Well, it seems every time I add a veggie

we are getting a change in poop that doesn't seem right. I really

need help with this. After the re-intro diet I've added bananas and

then carrots. Carrots still came out with tiny pieces or orange

spots in the BMs so I took them out. Then, I added butternut squash

and the poops increased to the point he got a rash. They were mushy

but dark brown until today he had a rather large BM partial dk brown

form and partial undigested-like fluffy light colored section again.

I'd say it had soury smell too. What in the world do I need to do?

He seems to do fine when he's eating just meat and banana because the

poops were very well formed and dark. I " m having trouble adding

veggies it seems (I didn't have much luck with green beans or

zucchini either). Do I need to try enzymes for veggies?? He's

taking 1 Kirkman lacto and 1 sac b a day. I haven't added any

suppliments yet. The problems really seem to occur when a veggie is

added.

Thank you for your guidance,

Pam, mom of Dillon ASD 4yrs old

SCD June 23, 2007

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

<< Hi, I'm at a loss and need help. We started SCD June 23 with the

> intro diet for 2 days. I added bananas, a small amount of green

> beans and when I added applesauce he had soury light (yellowy)

fluffy > poops. I stopped the applesauce and redid the intro diet at

about > the 2wk point of the diet. Well, it seems every time I add a

veggie> we are getting a change in poop that doesn't seem right. I

really> need help with this. After the re-intro diet I've added

bananas and > then carrots. Carrots still came out with tiny pieces

or orange > spots in the BMs so I took them out.>>

Was he still having solid bm's with the orange specs or did the

carrots make him have softer stools? The carrots should be cooked

for a long period of time at the beginning of the diet when there are

still plenty of bowel symptoms. (For example: Intro diet carrots are

cooked *4 hours* until very soft and then pureed with either some

broth or water - this makes them easier to digest)

<<Then, I added butternut squash

> and the poops increased to the point he got a rash. They were

mushy > but dark brown until today he had a rather large BM partial

dk brown > form and partial undigested-like fluffy light colored

section again. > I'd say it had soury smell too. What in the world

do I need to do?>>

Have you get records of what you have fed him over the last few days

and when new foods were added. This is very helpful at the beginning

of the diet when trying to figure what is tolerated and what needs

more time for good digestion.

<<He seems to do fine when he's eating just meat and banana because

the > poops were very well formed and dark. I " m having trouble

adding > veggies it seems (I didn't have much luck with green beans

or > zucchini either).>>

From your description I'd wait a lot longer before trying green beans

again.

Were the zucchini peeled and cooked until very soft? Were the zucc's

small with immature seeds?

<< Do I need to try enzymes for veggies?? He's

> taking 1 Kirkman lacto and 1 sac b a day. I haven't added any

> suppliments yet. The problems really seem to occur when a veggie

is > added. >>

Some do find that enzymes can help with digestion, nutrient

absorption and healing.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> << Hi, I'm at a loss and need help. We started SCD June 23 with

the

> > intro diet for 2 days. I added bananas, a small amount of green

> > beans and when I added applesauce he had soury light (yellowy)

> fluffy > poops. I stopped the applesauce and redid the intro diet

at

> about > the 2wk point of the diet. Well, it seems every time I

add a

> veggie> we are getting a change in poop that doesn't seem right.

I

> really> need help with this. After the re-intro diet I've added

> bananas and > then carrots. Carrots still came out with tiny

pieces

> or orange > spots in the BMs so I took them out.>>

>

> Was he still having solid bm's with the orange specs or did the

> carrots make him have softer stools?

{Hi Sheila, Thanks so much for responding!

Yes, the stools went softer, had tiny undigested carrot pieces or

orange clumps in the stool. Part of the stool was formed and part

was mushy where the carrots were.}

The carrots should be cooked

> for a long period of time at the beginning of the diet when there

are

> still plenty of bowel symptoms. (For example: Intro diet carrots

are

> cooked *4 hours* until very soft and then pureed with either some

> broth or water - this makes them easier to digest)

{I cooked and recooked them for many many hours. I cooked one batch

overnight and then all day in a crock pot then recooked them on the

stove for 3hrs before mashing. We still had bowel changes when he

ate those so I stopped giving them to him.}

>

>

> <<Then, I added butternut squash

> > and the poops increased to the point he got a rash. They were

> mushy > but dark brown until today he had a rather large BM

partial

> dk brown > form and partial undigested-like fluffy light colored

> section again. > I'd say it had soury smell too. What in the

world

> do I need to do?>>

>

> Have you get records of what you have fed him over the last few

days

> and when new foods were added. This is very helpful at the

beginning

> of the diet when trying to figure what is tolerated and what needs

> more time for good digestion.

{I've been keeping a diary of food introduction, behavior and BMs.

We had no changes in BMs with banana and he can eat many bananas in

a day too with no BM change. Am I looking to add foods and not

have BM changes much like when I added bananas? Any foods causing a

BM change means he can't tolerate? Does this mean his gut is in

horrible horrible shape? Since posting the first message I tried

spinach pureed in a burger and so far so good with that one.}

>

>

> <<He seems to do fine when he's eating just meat and banana

because

> the > poops were very well formed and dark. I " m having trouble

> adding > veggies it seems (I didn't have much luck with green

beans

> or > zucchini either).>>

>

> From your description I'd wait a lot longer before trying green

beans

> again.

{ok, I'll wait on that one}

>

> Were the zucchini peeled and cooked until very soft? Were the

zucc's

> small with immature seeds?

{The zucchini were peeled and made into noodles because they were

the big variety. I cooked until very soft and still saw BM

changes. I have since learned about the 5-6 " rule about choosing

zucchini and was planning to try the smaller ones with immature

seeds next.}

>

>

> << Do I need to try enzymes for veggies?? He's

> > taking 1 Kirkman lacto and 1 sac b a day. I haven't added any

> > suppliments yet. The problems really seem to occur when a

veggie

> is > added. >>

>

> Some do find that enzymes can help with digestion, nutrient

> absorption and healing.

{I tried a small amount of Pancreatin enzyme I had on hand and his

stomach seemed bloated afterwards. I only tried that once and

pulled it back out.}

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

< Was he still having solid bm's with the orange specs or did the

> > carrots make him have softer stools?

> {Hi Sheila, Thanks so much for responding!

> Yes, the stools went softer, had tiny undigested carrot pieces or

> orange clumps in the stool. Part of the stool was formed and part

> was mushy where the carrots were.}

>

> The carrots should be cooked

> > for a long period of time at the beginning of the diet when there

> are > still plenty of bowel symptoms. (For example: Intro diet

carrots > are > > cooked *4 hours* until very soft and then pureed

with either some > > broth or water - this makes them easier to

digest)

>

> {I cooked and recooked them for many many hours. I cooked one

batch

> overnight and then all day in a crock pot then recooked them on the

> stove for 3hrs before mashing. We still had bowel changes when he

> ate those so I stopped giving them to him.}

I 'd continue to leave out the carrots for now. If you try them

later you may want to start with a small amount of pureed carrots.

Pureed with homemade (HM) broth or water or pureed with other

vegetables, meats etc. (meatloaf, carrot cake etc..)

<<{I've been keeping a diary of food introduction, behavior and BMs.

> We had no changes in BMs with banana and he can eat many bananas in

> a day too with no BM change. Am I looking to add foods and not

> have BM changes much like when I added bananas?>>

You want little to no change in bm's and behaviour (but you may see

die off). It helps to start with a small amount of food when trying

it. Allows the body to adjust and if there is a bad reaction it is

less severe than if you start with a large amount of food.

<< Any foods causing a

> BM change means he can't tolerate? Does this mean his gut is in

> horrible horrible shape?>>

No. Bowels don't have to be perfect with each food addition. For

example in BTVC Elaine wrote , " use nuts only as nut flour until

diarrhea has cleared up. Then, nuts may be used as a snack and

should be chewed well. " But, if the frequency of bm's increase or

if behaviours go downhill (not die off) consider leaving that

particular food out a while longer.

<< Since posting the first message I tried

> spinach pureed in a burger and so far so good with that one.}>>

That's a good sign.

Ripe avocado or avocado pureed in foods (tastes great in burgers) may

be a good choice.

<<Some do find that enzymes can help with digestion, nutrient

> > absorption and healing.

> {I tried a small amount of Pancreatin enzyme I had on hand and his

> stomach seemed bloated afterwards. I only tried that once and

> pulled it back out.}>>

When you start enzymes they can cause bloating as the body clears out

undigested " junk " . You need to start small and slowly increase.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, We did end up getting spinach flakes in the BM . He has

been eating a lot of burgers with spinach in it. I bought avocado to

try next in the burgers. I'll keep looking for solid/formed BM as I

add each new food.

Thanks again for your advice!

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> < Was he still having solid bm's with the orange specs or did the

> > > carrots make him have softer stools?

> > {Hi Sheila, Thanks so much for responding!

> > Yes, the stools went softer, had tiny undigested carrot pieces or

> > orange clumps in the stool. Part of the stool was formed and part

> > was mushy where the carrots were.}

> >

> > The carrots should be cooked

> > > for a long period of time at the beginning of the diet when

there

> > are > still plenty of bowel symptoms. (For example: Intro diet

> carrots > are > > cooked *4 hours* until very soft and then pureed

> with either some > > broth or water - this makes them easier to

> digest)

> >

> > {I cooked and recooked them for many many hours. I cooked one

> batch

> > overnight and then all day in a crock pot then recooked them on

the

> > stove for 3hrs before mashing. We still had bowel changes when

he

> > ate those so I stopped giving them to him.}

>

>

>

> I 'd continue to leave out the carrots for now. If you try them

> later you may want to start with a small amount of pureed carrots.

> Pureed with homemade (HM) broth or water or pureed with other

> vegetables, meats etc. (meatloaf, carrot cake etc..)

>

>

> <<{I've been keeping a diary of food introduction, behavior and

BMs.

> > We had no changes in BMs with banana and he can eat many bananas

in

> > a day too with no BM change. Am I looking to add foods and not

> > have BM changes much like when I added bananas?>>

>

>

> You want little to no change in bm's and behaviour (but you may see

> die off). It helps to start with a small amount of food when

trying

> it. Allows the body to adjust and if there is a bad reaction it is

> less severe than if you start with a large amount of food.

>

>

> << Any foods causing a

> > BM change means he can't tolerate? Does this mean his gut is in

> > horrible horrible shape?>>

>

> No. Bowels don't have to be perfect with each food addition. For

> example in BTVC Elaine wrote , " use nuts only as nut flour until

> diarrhea has cleared up. Then, nuts may be used as a snack and

> should be chewed well. " But, if the frequency of bm's increase or

> if behaviours go downhill (not die off) consider leaving that

> particular food out a while longer.

>

> << Since posting the first message I tried

> > spinach pureed in a burger and so far so good with that one.}>>

>

> That's a good sign.

>

> Ripe avocado or avocado pureed in foods (tastes great in burgers)

may

> be a good choice.

>

> <<Some do find that enzymes can help with digestion, nutrient

> > > absorption and healing.

> > {I tried a small amount of Pancreatin enzyme I had on hand and

his

> > stomach seemed bloated afterwards. I only tried that once and

> > pulled it back out.}>>

>

> When you start enzymes they can cause bloating as the body clears

out

> undigested " junk " . You need to start small and slowly increase.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>