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I have attempted Intro 3 times now but have yet to expreience the clean out due

to die off.

Each time I try my bowel seems to go to sleep. I am now at day 7 of protein only

and still

nothing!

Now I know everyone will say take something but again fibre or any type of bowel

stimulant will do the same thing-my bowel will just stop working altogether. I

am not

constipated-I probably have diareah but the bowel just goes to sleep. I have

tried colonics

and still nothing.

I have had the best results with this diet (not intro) eating mainly protein,

broth and soft

cooked vegies with HCI and pepsin AND (here's the kicker) chocolate and some

codeine.

This combination helps me to become regular and normal. Perfectly formed daily

(sometimes twice or thrice daily) stools.

I have never experienced 'normal' in all my life. I also lost 5 kgs while

eating choc because

my digestive track was actually being efficient for once.

But I wanted to stop the chocolate as it is very addictive and feeding the yeast

but each

time I do my bowels go back to being irritable. So I figure I need to kill off

the candida and

do Intro, which I have done 3 times-it doesn't work (even with Oxypowder-that

just made

me worse. Herbs will give me migraines and I will end up in bed vomiting)

Why is it my gut loves chocolate? Is it the fat? Maybe I can just have fat

without the milk

and sugar and get the same results?

Does anyone have any idea why I need so many foods that will slow down my bowel

and

how can I do that in a healthy way so I can begin to heal my gut?

I have been SCD for 6mths with infractions of chocolate for about 3mths.

Thanks Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

You say that your GI system is worse after stopping chocolate. Could

this be due to die off symptoms?

Have you tried yogurt?

Below is an article linking chocolate to IBD

Mimi

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=958502\

9&dopt=Abstract

1: Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 1998 Mar;10(3):243-9.Links

Comment in:

Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 1998 Mar;10(3):235-7.

Modern life' in the epidemiology of inflammatory bowel disease: a

case-control study with special emphasis on nutritional factors.

Russel MG, Engels LG, Muris JW, Limonard CB, Volovics A, Brummer RJ,

Stockbrügger RW.

Department of Gastroenterology, University Hospital Maastricht, The

Netherlands. mru@...

OBJECTIVE: The rising incidence of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD)

since the Second World War coincides with profound changes of the

dietary pattern. The aim of the study was to investigate the possible

pathogenic role of some characteristic 'modern life' dietary factors

in IBD. DESIGN: Case-control, studying risk factors in recently

diagnosed cases, 290 with Crohn's disease and 398 with ulcerative

colitis, compared with 616 population controls. Smoking, age, gender

and education were taken into account by using logistic regression

analysis. SETTING: Hospital cases and population controls.

INTERVENTIONS: Questionnaires. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Logistic

regression-derived odds ratios. RESULTS: A positive association with

cola drinks [OR: 2.2 (95% CI 1.5-3.1)], chewing gum [OR: 1.5 (95% CI:

1.1-2.1)] and chocolate consumption [OR: 2.5 (95% CI: 1.8-3.5)] and a

negative association with citrus fruit consumption [OR: 0.5 (95% CI

0.3-0.7)] and the development of Crohn's disease were found.

Consumption of cola drinks [OR: 1.6 (95% CI 1.1-2.3)] and chocolate

consumption [OR: 2.5 (95% CI 1.8-3.5)] were positively associated with

developing ulcerative colitis. There was a negative association

between the intake of citrus fruits [OR: 0.5 (95% CI 0.4-0.8)] and

'having a stuffed pet' for a period longer than 5 years [OR: 0.6 (95%

CI 0.4-0.9)] and developing the disorder. No association with the

frequency of tooth brushing and developing IBD was found. CONCLUSION:

All the nutritional items mentioned may be true risk factors or they

just might be the expression of a modern life-style also involving

other risk factors for the development of IBD which at the present are

still unknown.

PMID: 9585029 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> I have attempted Intro 3 times now but have yet to expreience the clean out

> due to die off.

> Each time I try my bowel seems to go to sleep. I am now at day 7 of protein

> only and still

> nothing!

> Now I know everyone will say take something but again fibre or any type of

> bowel

> stimulant will do the same thing-my bowel will just stop working altogether.

> I am not

> constipated-I probably have diareah but the bowel just goes to sleep. I have

> tried colonics

> and still nothing.

> I have had the best results with this diet (not intro) eating mainly

> protein, broth and soft

> cooked vegies with HCI and pepsin AND (here's the kicker) chocolate and some

> codeine.

> This combination helps me to become regular and normal. Perfectly formed

> daily

> (sometimes twice or thrice daily) stools.

> I have never experienced 'normal' in all my life. I also lost 5 kgs while

> eating choc because

> my digestive track was actually being efficient for once.

> But I wanted to stop the chocolate as it is very addictive and feeding the

> yeast but each

> time I do my bowels go back to being irritable. So I figure I need to kill

> off the candida and

> do Intro, which I have done 3 times-it doesn't work (even with

> Oxypowder-that just made

> me worse. Herbs will give me migraines and I will end up in bed vomiting)

> Why is it my gut loves chocolate? Is it the fat? Maybe I can just have fat

> without the milk

> and sugar and get the same results?

> Does anyone have any idea why I need so many foods that will slow down my

> bowel and

> how can I do that in a healthy way so I can begin to heal my gut?

> I have been SCD for 6mths with infractions of chocolate for about 3mths.

> Thanks Sharon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

<<I have attempted Intro 3 times now but have yet to expreience the

clean out due to die off. ......and feeding the yeast but each

> time I do my bowels go back to being irritable.>>

When they are irritable what symptoms do you have? How are your bms?

<<So I figure I need to kill off the candida>>

Do you have candida symptoms?

<<and

> do Intro, which I have done 3 times-it doesn't work (even with

Oxypowder-that just made

> me worse.>>

Did you try the constipation protocol?

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation

..htm

Which oxypowder did you use - one is illegal.

<< Herbs will give me migraines and I will end up in bed vomiting)

> Why is it my gut loves chocolate? Is it the fat? Maybe I can just

have fat without the milk

> and sugar and get the same results?>>

What is the codeine for? Codeine can cause constipation.

> Does anyone have any idea why I need so many foods that will slow

down my bowel and > how can I do that in a healthy way so I can begin

to heal my gut?> I have been SCD for 6mths with infractions of

chocolate for about 3mths.

> Thanks Sharon

What happens if you leave out the chocolate and codeine when eating

SCD with cooked veggies?

Which cooked veggies? Are they peeled and deseeded?

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and daniel

>

[Guest guest]

>Hi Sheila,

I take codeine and paracetamol for headaches but also to stop diareah. When I

stop eating

chocolate I get diareah. Then my bowel becomes irritable and if the diareah gets

bad, it

will just stop working altogether as it does on intro.

I only eat cooked carrot, butternut pumkin, green beans and zuchini.

Perhaps I should introduce the yoghurt?

From Sharon

> Hi Sharon,

>

> <<I have attempted Intro 3 times now but have yet to expreience the

> clean out due to die off. ......and feeding the yeast but each

> > time I do my bowels go back to being irritable.>>

>

> When they are irritable what symptoms do you have? How are your bms?

>

> <<So I figure I need to kill off the candida>>

>

> Do you have candida symptoms?

>

> <<and

> > do Intro, which I have done 3 times-it doesn't work (even with

> Oxypowder-that just made

> > me worse.>>

>

> Did you try the constipation protocol?

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation

> .htm

> Which oxypowder did you use - one is illegal.

>

>

> << Herbs will give me migraines and I will end up in bed vomiting)

> > Why is it my gut loves chocolate? Is it the fat? Maybe I can just

> have fat without the milk

> > and sugar and get the same results?>>

>

> What is the codeine for? Codeine can cause constipation.

>

> > Does anyone have any idea why I need so many foods that will slow

> down my bowel and > how can I do that in a healthy way so I can begin

> to heal my gut?> I have been SCD for 6mths with infractions of

> chocolate for about 3mths.

> > Thanks Sharon

>

> What happens if you leave out the chocolate and codeine when eating

> SCD with cooked veggies?

>

> Which cooked veggies? Are they peeled and deseeded?

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and daniel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

<<I take codeine and paracetamol for headaches but also to stop

diareah. When I stop eating > chocolate I get diareah. Then my bowel

becomes irritable and if the diareah gets bad, it > will just stop

working altogether as it does on intro.> I only eat cooked carrot,

butternut pumkin, green beans and zuchini.> Perhaps I should

introduce the yoghurt?>>

If you have yeast overgrowth the chocolate is likely feeding them.

When you stop the choc the yeast start dying off which can cause

diarrhea as the toxins leave your body (epsom salt and/or activated

charcoal are helpful to pull out the toxins). It is pretty common

for the damaged bowels to swing back and forth between constipation

and diarrhea.

If you go 100% on the diet the yogurt may help clear things up. I

wouldn't suggest doing the yogurt if you continue the choc though.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

<<I take codeine and paracetamol for headaches but also to stop

diareah. When I stop eating > chocolate I get diareah. Then my bowel

becomes irritable and if the diareah gets bad, it > will just stop

working altogether as it does on intro.> I only eat cooked carrot,

butternut pumkin, green beans and zuchini.> Perhaps I should

introduce the yoghurt?>>

If you have yeast overgrowth the chocolate is likely feeding them.

When you stop the choc the yeast start dying off which can cause

diarrhea as the toxins leave your body (epsom salt and/or activated

charcoal are helpful to pull out the toxins). It is pretty common

for the damaged bowels to swing back and forth between constipation

and diarrhea.

If you go 100% on the diet the yogurt may help clear things up. I

wouldn't suggest doing the yogurt if you continue the choc though.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and