SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

[Guest guest]

I was told by MtD specialist, that if a child has MtD it is sometimes

contraindicated to give DMG, HBOT or chelation. Good thing to think about since

some are thinking that most ASD children might have MtD.

Since I am not a MtD specialist, I am not sure why, nor can give reason to

why...but we where warned by mito specialist to not do these things until we got

her test results back. I just took their word for it for now. After seeing SCD

make my daughter so much better...I do not want to mess around much. I have

also learned that Elaine did not like the DAN! movement that much.

I personally am not thrilled about the DAN! movement either. I think that many

of these doctors are truly messing with the unknown...turning our ASD children

into guinea pigs. Good for those with good results...truly devastating and sad

for those that are not doing that well...and GET WORSE. Both exist. The good

the bad and the ugly testimonies. I have read some ugly testimonies...it truly

worries me.

Chelation is known to take away giftedness. I asked if this was true....and

Kucera a DAN! here in Colorado Springs Colorado, said it was. I was shocked.

For this reason alone...we will never do Dan! protocol chelation. For we have a

few gifts to protect in this house of ASD. We all have to make choices though.

Just voicing my opinion and fears.

We chose to be conservative and not go to the DAN! anymore. We trust the MtD

docs much more. Maybe because we are unique...I do not know...maybe all with

ASD have MtD they just do not know it. I truly do not know.

We got all the benefits that we have so far from fanatical SCD, multivitamins,

CLO, B complex, B12 spray, calcium, Vitamin K ....and lots and lots of legal SCD

food. We stopped the DMG until we get Kiki's results. I do know that DMG can

mess with amino acid balance with some MtD kids. We where going to do

HBOT...but some are saying that it is not good for some forms of MtD, so we will

wait for that one. Yet, know that it has helped a few remarkably so...but have

read testimony when it did not work that well. I am still learning to why MtD

specialist warn about this one.

As for chelating...SCD took away all her heavy metal symptoms....we have yet to

test if they are gone...assuming that they are. Elaine's diet cured a man with

heavy metals....I wish more knew about this. I do not trust chelation. BUT

will always trust SCDiet. SCD can not hurt...yet can always make

improvements...both big and small. In are case...nothing short of a miracle.

God Bless every ones healing journey,

Antoinette and family of five silly yaks...house of ASD...

[Guest guest]

I find the chelation taking away giftness comment interesting since iel

has been very obviously gifted with voice since about 14 months old. He has

been able to " sing " in perfect kpitch, tune, whatever you want to call it even

before he could make any intelligable sounds. I have to say that I have noticed

that it isn't quite as good over the past couple of months, and wonder why that

is. Once again, it's something for me to discuss with our DAN on Wednesday.

Meleah

SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

I was told by MtD specialist, that if a child has MtD it is sometimes

contraindicated to give DMG, HBOT or chelation. Good thing to think about since

some are thinking that most ASD children might have MtD.

Since I am not a MtD specialist, I am not sure why, nor can give reason to

why...but we where warned by mito specialist to not do these things until we got

her test results back. I just took their word for it for now. After seeing SCD

make my daughter so much better...I do not want to mess around much. I have also

learned that Elaine did not like the DAN! movement that much.

I personally am not thrilled about the DAN! movement either. I think that many

of these doctors are truly messing with the unknown...turning our ASD children

into guinea pigs. Good for those with good results...truly devastating and sad

for those that are not doing that well...and GET WORSE. Both exist. The good the

bad and the ugly testimonies. I have read some ugly testimonies...it truly

worries me.

Chelation is known to take away giftedness. I asked if this was true....and

Kucera a DAN! here in Colorado Springs Colorado, said it was. I was shocked. For

this reason alone...we will never do Dan! protocol chelation. For we have a few

gifts to protect in this house of ASD. We all have to make choices though. Just

voicing my opinion and fears.

We chose to be conservative and not go to the DAN! anymore. We trust the MtD

docs much more. Maybe because we are unique...I do not know...maybe all with ASD

have MtD they just do not know it. I truly do not know.

We got all the benefits that we have so far from fanatical SCD, multivitamins,

CLO, B complex, B12 spray, calcium, Vitamin K ....and lots and lots of legal SCD

food. We stopped the DMG until we get Kiki's results. I do know that DMG can

mess with amino acid balance with some MtD kids. We where going to do HBOT...but

some are saying that it is not good for some forms of MtD, so we will wait for

that one. Yet, know that it has helped a few remarkably so...but have read

testimony when it did not work that well. I am still learning to why MtD

specialist warn about this one.

As for chelating...SCD took away all her heavy metal symptoms....we have yet

to test if they are gone...assuming that they are. Elaine's diet cured a man

with heavy metals....I wish more knew about this. I do not trust chelation. BUT

will always trust SCDiet. SCD can not hurt...yet can always make

improvements...both big and small. In are case...nothing short of a miracle.

God Bless every ones healing journey,

Antoinette and family of five silly yaks...house of ASD...

[Guest guest]

FYI, the authors of the MtD article you posted are using all the treatments

below, especially HBOT to correct mito functioning.

I would say this about DAN... they are no different from any other doctor of

any specialty, which is to say that 10 % are exceptionally good. Most people

are having their experiences with the other 90%.

I would not go by symptoms alone to decide if metals are gone. I know

recovered kids who are still being found to have toxicity.

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Bunce wrote:

I was told by MtD specialist, that if a child has MtD it is sometimes

contraindicated to give DMG, HBOT or chelation. Good thing to think about since

some are thinking that most ASD children might have MtD.

Since I am not a MtD specialist, I am not sure why, nor can give reason to

why...but we where warned by mito specialist to not do these things until we got

her test results back. I just took their word for it for now. After seeing SCD

make my daughter so much better...I do not want to mess around much. I have also

learned that Elaine did not like the DAN! movement that much.

I personally am not thrilled about the DAN! movement either. I think that many

of these doctors are truly messing with the unknown...turning our ASD children

into guinea pigs. Good for those with good results...truly devastating and sad

for those that are not doing that well...and GET WORSE. Both exist. The good the

bad and the ugly testimonies. I have read some ugly testimonies...it truly

worries me.

Chelation is known to take away giftedness. I asked if this was true....and

Kucera a DAN! here in Colorado Springs Colorado, said it was. I was shocked. For

this reason alone...we will never do Dan! protocol chelation. For we have a few

gifts to protect in this house of ASD. We all have to make choices though. Just

voicing my opinion and fears.

We chose to be conservative and not go to the DAN! anymore. We trust the MtD

docs much more. Maybe because we are unique...I do not know...maybe all with ASD

have MtD they just do not know it. I truly do not know.

We got all the benefits that we have so far from fanatical SCD, multivitamins,

CLO, B complex, B12 spray, calcium, Vitamin K ....and lots and lots of legal SCD

food. We stopped the DMG until we get Kiki's results. I do know that DMG can

mess with amino acid balance with some MtD kids. We where going to do HBOT...but

some are saying that it is not good for some forms of MtD, so we will wait for

that one. Yet, know that it has helped a few remarkably so...but have read

testimony when it did not work that well. I am still learning to why MtD

specialist warn about this one.

As for chelating...SCD took away all her heavy metal symptoms....we have yet to

test if they are gone...assuming that they are. Elaine's diet cured a man with

heavy metals....I wish more knew about this. I do not trust chelation. BUT will

always trust SCDiet. SCD can not hurt...yet can always make improvements...both

big and small. In are case...nothing short of a miracle.

God Bless every ones healing journey,

Antoinette and family of five silly yaks...house of ASD...

[Guest guest]

I will second the thing that says about recovered kids still being found

to have high heavy metal levels. There is a five year old boy in my

neighborhood who is recovered. Dr. Mumper had his metal levels checked about a

month ago just to make sure that it was taken care of. Well, it wasn't, and she

was shocked because he is so normal.

Meleah

Re: SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

FYI, the authors of the MtD article you posted are using all the treatments

below, especially HBOT to correct mito functioning.

I would say this about DAN... they are no different from any other doctor of

any specialty, which is to say that 10 % are exceptionally good. Most people are

having their experiences with the other 90%.

I would not go by symptoms alone to decide if metals are gone. I know

recovered kids who are still being found to have toxicity.

-

Bunce wrote:

I was told by MtD specialist, that if a child has MtD it is sometimes

contraindicated to give DMG, HBOT or chelation. Good thing to think about since

some are thinking that most ASD children might have MtD.

Since I am not a MtD specialist, I am not sure why, nor can give reason to

why...but we where warned by mito specialist to not do these things until we got

her test results back. I just took their word for it for now. After seeing SCD

make my daughter so much better...I do not want to mess around much. I have also

learned that Elaine did not like the DAN! movement that much.

I personally am not thrilled about the DAN! movement either. I think that many

of these doctors are truly messing with the unknown...turning our ASD children

into guinea pigs. Good for those with good results...truly devastating and sad

for those that are not doing that well...and GET WORSE. Both exist. The good the

bad and the ugly testimonies. I have read some ugly testimonies...it truly

worries me.

Chelation is known to take away giftedness. I asked if this was true....and

Kucera a DAN! here in Colorado Springs Colorado, said it was. I was shocked. For

this reason alone...we will never do Dan! protocol chelation. For we have a few

gifts to protect in this house of ASD. We all have to make choices though. Just

voicing my opinion and fears.

We chose to be conservative and not go to the DAN! anymore. We trust the MtD

docs much more. Maybe because we are unique...I do not know...maybe all with ASD

have MtD they just do not know it. I truly do not know.

We got all the benefits that we have so far from fanatical SCD, multivitamins,

CLO, B complex, B12 spray, calcium, Vitamin K ....and lots and lots of legal SCD

food. We stopped the DMG until we get Kiki's results. I do know that DMG can

mess with amino acid balance with some MtD kids. We where going to do HBOT...but

some are saying that it is not good for some forms of MtD, so we will wait for

that one. Yet, know that it has helped a few remarkably so...but have read

testimony when it did not work that well. I am still learning to why MtD

specialist warn about this one.

As for chelating...SCD took away all her heavy metal symptoms....we have yet

to test if they are gone...assuming that they are. Elaine's diet cured a man

with heavy metals....I wish more knew about this. I do not trust chelation. BUT

will always trust SCDiet. SCD can not hurt...yet can always make

improvements...both big and small. In are case...nothing short of a miracle.

God Bless every ones healing journey,

Antoinette and family of five silly yaks...house of ASD...

[Guest guest]

Meleah said: " I will second the thing that says about recovered

kids still being found to have high heavy metal levels. There is a

five year old boy in my neighborhood who is recovered. Dr. Mumper

had his metal levels checked about a month ago just to make sure that

it was taken care of. Well, it wasn't, and she was shocked because

he is so normal. "

This honestly makes me wonder what would happen if a bunch of NT's

and healthy folk got in a line and had heavy metals tests.

I am not making this up... Kucera M.D./DAN! in Colorado springs

HONESTLY did admit taht it could take away giftedness. I kid you

not. My six year old son is doing fourth grade math...I don't want to

mess with it.

We all have a road to go down. I am not telling others what to

do...just shring experience strength and hope. SCD gave us much hope.

Anotinette

[Guest guest]

FYI -- they have made those comparisons and the ASD kids have about 3X the

mercury of the typical kids. It was pointed out over the weekend that there is

no such thing as a " control group " since we are all in fact exposed to mercury.

Still, I think we all know -- it's so much more than JUST mercury.

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kikijabunce wrote:

Meleah said: " I will second the thing that says about recovered

kids still being found to have high heavy metal levels. There is a

five year old boy in my neighborhood who is recovered. Dr. Mumper

had his metal levels checked about a month ago just to make sure that

it was taken care of. Well, it wasn't, and she was shocked because

he is so normal. "

This honestly makes me wonder what would happen if a bunch of NT's

and healthy folk got in a line and had heavy metals tests.

I am not making this up... Kucera M.D./DAN! in Colorado springs

HONESTLY did admit taht it could take away giftedness. I kid you

not. My six year old son is doing fourth grade math...I don't want to

mess with it.

We all have a road to go down. I am not telling others what to

do...just shring experience strength and hope. SCD gave us much hope.

Anotinette

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[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

Thanks for the comment about chelation taking away giftedness. I have been

pondering some things in the last few days especially and that comment really

helps me put it all in perspective. It gave me the missing link to the whole

thought process of the why's, how's and are they messed up questions re our ASD

kids.

Bonita

Re: SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

Meleah said: " I will second the thing that says about recovered

kids still being found to have high heavy metal levels. There is a

five year old boy in my neighborhood who is recovered. Dr. Mumper

had his metal levels checked about a month ago just to make sure that

it was taken care of. Well, it wasn't, and she was shocked because

he is so normal. "

This honestly makes me wonder what would happen if a bunch of NT's

and healthy folk got in a line and had heavy metals tests.

I am not making this up... Kucera M.D./DAN! in Colorado springs

HONESTLY did admit taht it could take away giftedness. I kid you

not. My six year old son is doing fourth grade math...I don't want to

mess with it.

We all have a road to go down. I am not telling others what to

do...just shring experience strength and hope. SCD gave us much hope.

Anotinette

[Guest guest]

I don't know if chelation takes away from giftedness as much a recovery takes

away from giftedness. The child I brought up recovered on diet and supplements

alone and while his non-verbal IQ was measured in the profoundly gifted range,

his verbal IQ (after he was considered recovered) was average/normal. This

child was never chelated. He was recovered prior to all of the new chelators

being available.

If you look at the SPECT scan studies, people with autism have hypoperfusion

in many important parts of their brains, and may have hyperperfusion in sections

(savant skills). So they have not enough blood flow to many parts/too much to

one particular area. When that is corrected, the entire brain normalizes and

some disproportionate skills may be lost. This is not only going to happen with

chelation, but any therapy that addresses the immune system as the under/over

perfused brain is thought to come from immune dysregulation.

SCD is a diet that improves immune functioning (to what extent, I do not know

-- that is probably dependent on the individual's overall condition), therefore

success on the SCD diet might also take away giftedness (my thoughts only) if

that giftedness is at the expense of a brain that is largely underperfused.

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Bonita Todd wrote:

Antoinette,

Thanks for the comment about chelation taking away giftedness. I have been

pondering some things in the last few days especially and that comment really

helps me put it all in perspective. It gave me the missing link to the whole

thought process of the why's, how's and are they messed up questions re our ASD

kids.

Bonita

Re: SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

Meleah said: " I will second the thing that says about recovered

kids still being found to have high heavy metal levels. There is a

five year old boy in my neighborhood who is recovered. Dr. Mumper

had his metal levels checked about a month ago just to make sure that

it was taken care of. Well, it wasn't, and she was shocked because

he is so normal. "

This honestly makes me wonder what would happen if a bunch of NT's

and healthy folk got in a line and had heavy metals tests.

I am not making this up... Kucera M.D./DAN! in Colorado springs

HONESTLY did admit taht it could take away giftedness. I kid you

not. My six year old son is doing fourth grade math...I don't want to

mess with it.

We all have a road to go down. I am not telling others what to

do...just shring experience strength and hope. SCD gave us much hope.

Anotinette

[Guest guest]

My son's music therapist has kids like this!

I made comments about recovery/not chelation taking away giftedness on a post

of the same subject title that you may be interested in.

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robin wrote:

I find the chelation taking away giftness comment interesting since

iel has been very obviously gifted with voice since about 14 months old.

He has been able to " sing " in perfect kpitch, tune, whatever you want to call it

even before he could make any intelligable sounds. I have to say that I have

noticed that it isn't quite as good over the past couple of months, and wonder

why that is. Once again, it's something for me to discuss with our DAN on

Wednesday.

Meleah

SCD/DMG, HBOT and Chelation

I was told by MtD specialist, that if a child has MtD it is sometimes

contraindicated to give DMG, HBOT or chelation. Good thing to think about since

some are thinking that most ASD children might have MtD.

Since I am not a MtD specialist, I am not sure why, nor can give reason to

why...but we where warned by mito specialist to not do these things until we got

her test results back. I just took their word for it for now. After seeing SCD

make my daughter so much better...I do not want to mess around much. I have also

learned that Elaine did not like the DAN! movement that much.

I personally am not thrilled about the DAN! movement either. I think that many

of these doctors are truly messing with the unknown...turning our ASD children

into guinea pigs. Good for those with good results...truly devastating and sad

for those that are not doing that well...and GET WORSE. Both exist. The good the

bad and the ugly testimonies. I have read some ugly testimonies...it truly

worries me.

Chelation is known to take away giftedness. I asked if this was true....and

Kucera a DAN! here in Colorado Springs Colorado, said it was. I was shocked. For

this reason alone...we will never do Dan! protocol chelation. For we have a few

gifts to protect in this house of ASD. We all have to make choices though. Just

voicing my opinion and fears.

We chose to be conservative and not go to the DAN! anymore. We trust the MtD

docs much more. Maybe because we are unique...I do not know...maybe all with ASD

have MtD they just do not know it. I truly do not know.

We got all the benefits that we have so far from fanatical SCD, multivitamins,

CLO, B complex, B12 spray, calcium, Vitamin K ....and lots and lots of legal SCD

food. We stopped the DMG until we get Kiki's results. I do know that DMG can

mess with amino acid balance with some MtD kids. We where going to do HBOT...but

some are saying that it is not good for some forms of MtD, so we will wait for

that one. Yet, know that it has helped a few remarkably so...but have read

testimony when it did not work that well. I am still learning to why MtD

specialist warn about this one.

As for chelating...SCD took away all her heavy metal symptoms....we have yet to

test if they are gone...assuming that they are. Elaine's diet cured a man with

heavy metals....I wish more knew about this. I do not trust chelation. BUT will

always trust SCDiet. SCD can not hurt...yet can always make improvements...both

big and small. In are case...nothing short of a miracle.

God Bless every ones healing journey,

Antoinette and family of five silly yaks...house of ASD...