A New Method to Kill of f Gut Bugs?

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I note that there have been some queries about killing off hardy gut

bugs, and I have been looking at alternatives to antibiotics. I have

done some preliminary enquiries into phage therapy, which I think on

this site might be a step too far for some people to embrace. I

really do not want to offend anyone, so please, please, please read

this with an open mind, I just feel that I have to get this off my

chest, and I don't know who else to inform, who would be generous

enough in mind to do their own research and be objective about this

subject. So here goes. Deep breath people! Phages are viruses.

There, I said it. However they are extremely specific in that they

only target specific pathogens, and bacteria. They inject their host

(pathogens) and more phages grow inside, causing the pathogen to lyse

(burst) and release more phages to target and lyse the remaining

pathogen until none remain. Then the phages themselves die. They do

not harm other, healthy bacteria, unlike antibiotics, or harm human

tissue. They are used in Russia, where there is a clinic, and phage

cocktails are made up to the specific need of the individual. More

info about phages can be found at Wikipedia, where it states " they

tend to be more successful where there is a biofilm covered by a

polysaccharide layer that antibiotics cannot penetrate " . I know

biofilms have been discussed here, so I was immediately interested.

I e-mailed a guy a little while ago, informing him of the gut bug

connection to autism and various gut conditions, and asked him

whether a cocktail could be made based on a stool analysis, if an

overgrowth of pathogens were present. He saw no problem with this,

but admitted he had not heard of it being used to treat autism or gut

conditions. He gave me an e-mail address of someone I could contact

for further advise, but I have not yet done so. I have googled phage

therapy for info, and as far as I can assume, the phages would be

sent over from Russia, and could be given orally. What I wondered

was - would someone who has some time (lol) look up phage therapy and

give me their feedback, pros and cons etc. I should imagine their

would be a huge die off for example. I am going to look this therapy

up in Pubmed, to see whether there are any studies, and if anyone is

interested I could let them know my findings. I would be interested

to hear your views on this subject, so look forward to hearing from

you.

Regards

Glynis mam to Jasmine

Diagnosed with Kabuki Syndrome

NG tube fed

[Guest guest]

This is what they are starting to do with lunchmeats -- coat them with phage

spray to prevent listeria.

I think the problem with this therapy might be actually identifying all of the

problematic strains in the ASD gut. This would not be easy. A stool test would

not identify them all.

Also how does the phage " die " after the bacteria is gone? Viruses are not

alive to begin with, so they cannot/do not die.

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Glynis Steele wrote:

Hi everyone,

I note that there have been some queries about killing off hardy gut

bugs, and I have been looking at alternatives to antibiotics. I have

done some preliminary enquiries into phage therapy, which I think on

this site might be a step too far for some people to embrace. I

really do not want to offend anyone, so please, please, please read

this with an open mind, I just feel that I have to get this off my

chest, and I don't know who else to inform, who would be generous

enough in mind to do their own research and be objective about this

subject. So here goes. Deep breath people! Phages are viruses.

There, I said it. However they are extremely specific in that they

only target specific pathogens, and bacteria. They inject their host

(pathogens) and more phages grow inside, causing the pathogen to lyse

(burst) and release more phages to target and lyse the remaining

pathogen until none remain. Then the phages themselves die. They do

not harm other, healthy bacteria, unlike antibiotics, or harm human

tissue. They are used in Russia, where there is a clinic, and phage

cocktails are made up to the specific need of the individual. More

info about phages can be found at Wikipedia, where it states " they

tend to be more successful where there is a biofilm covered by a

polysaccharide layer that antibiotics cannot penetrate " . I know

biofilms have been discussed here, so I was immediately interested.

I e-mailed a guy a little while ago, informing him of the gut bug

connection to autism and various gut conditions, and asked him

whether a cocktail could be made based on a stool analysis, if an

overgrowth of pathogens were present. He saw no problem with this,

but admitted he had not heard of it being used to treat autism or gut

conditions. He gave me an e-mail address of someone I could contact

for further advise, but I have not yet done so. I have googled phage

therapy for info, and as far as I can assume, the phages would be

sent over from Russia, and could be given orally. What I wondered

was - would someone who has some time (lol) look up phage therapy and

give me their feedback, pros and cons etc. I should imagine their

would be a huge die off for example. I am going to look this therapy

up in Pubmed, to see whether there are any studies, and if anyone is

interested I could let them know my findings. I would be interested

to hear your views on this subject, so look forward to hearing from

you.

Regards

Glynis mam to Jasmine

Diagnosed with Kabuki Syndrome

NG tube fed

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