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Hello to All,

I am so gad that this group exists!

We are about to start SCD with our 5-year-old ASD son, who has been

GFCF for 2 years and SF for one year. He initially had great

improvements in his stool when we removed these foods and then with the

addition of digestive enzymes, but it always goes back to being slop

with chunks of undigested food.

We are hoping to erradiacate what we believe to be the source of these

problems and heal his little gut by starting this diet! We are

fortunate in that he loves all meats, fruits, nuts, and vegetables

already (although not cooked; that will be what we need to work on!)

Yesterday, we refrained from giving him snacks/cereals containing corn,

rice, or potatoes and anything with sugar. He had a watery stool for

the first time in months and ended up being awake from 1:00 AM to 6:30

AM laughing and jumping, etc. He is usually a TERRIFIC sleeper. I

think we have die-off already, and we have not even officially started

this thing! I am planning to continue to avoid these foods until we

have everything in place to start the " official " intro diet. (which I

want to do ASAP because he starts back to school in 3 weeks and I hope

for him to be over the REALLY ugly stuff by that time).

Anyway, he has 18 hours of ABA(verbal behavior)/week and is talking

more than ever but is only currently motivated by FOOD. Is there

anything I could use for reinforcers at the beginning stages of this or

at least something that MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD as something else?

He would work for blueberries or pieces of raw apple or raisins, but I

know he should not have these right now. He might work for Gerber dried

apples (for babies) that melt in your mouth. Could they possibly be

acceptable?

Any advice would be appreciated. NOTHING motivates him but food: no

toys, objects, movies...nothing.

Thank you for your time and support.

M.S., Mom to Nick age 5 ASD

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Welcome, M.S.!

So glad you are already seeing results as you gear up. Dried fruits

and fruits with seeds and skin would not be good things to start out

with. If you cannot start with the intro diet and then move on

adding one food at a time, peeling, deseeding, and cooking all fruits

(except banana and avocado) and vegetables well (this brings the best

results), then of the food items you mentioned the peeled raw apple

slices would be the most digestible.

Coule you use banana circles and slices of avocado. These are not

Intro Diet foods, but can be introduced soon after.

I searched old posts for ABA ideas. None of the food ones I found

are suitable for the SCD Intro Diet, but a couple would be suitable

soon after. The intro diet lasts about 2 days.

Here are the ideas I found.

from Audrey:

" ice cream " in the Healing Tummies cookbook

from Jzin:

as snacks:

what about homemade juiced raw carrots

put in fancy cups with straws

or pureed veggies such as butternut squash

drink thru a straw calling it " juice " or some fancy name

that banana/egg pancake may be yummy

may package some homemade food in Mcs/commercial

containers?

sorry I don't have many suggestions

my son uses the weirdest things as " snacks " or ABA reinforcers:

lamb riblets, spoonfuls of halved avocado

cup o broth, meats chopped small, boiled peas in a paper rolled cone,

banana peeled, chicken drummettes (small drumsticks) etc

from Antoinette:

as for reinforcer

ideas......how a bout stickers (unlickable ones since they are not

SCD safe) holding one another, hugging, laughing together and loving

one another! Learning how to live again and enjoy one another's

company at family outings! IT works as a great reinforcer!

from Debbie (This has become a very popular send-to-school snack.):

My son wouldn't eat the sneaky veggie pancakes, but I found a good

way to get him to eat the squash and egg. I take a large cooked

acorn squash and put the squash and two eggs in the blender with a

tablespoon of honey and a dash of cinnamon (these could be

optional). I blend it until it is smooth. I put a tsp. of this into

a mini muffin pan. I just bought 2 " 24 " muffin pans for cheap at

Target and I already had one, so I make more than one batch and

freeze some to last us through the week. One batch usually makes

about 60 little " squash buttons " as we call them at our house. I

bake them at 300 degrees for about 30 to 40 minutes. I usually look

for them to be browning a little and pulling away from the sides of

the pan. You could probably fill the cups a little fuller, but then

they are softer and mushier in the middle. The way I do it they come

out like flat little buttons, and they aren't too eggy or soft which

he would not eat. He eats them cold or I toast them in my toaster

oven. These are great finger food snacks I send to school with him

also. They could be made with butternut squash too. I am planning

on trying to make little spinach ones also, I'm not sure if he will

eat them since they will be green, but I'm going to try. We haven't

started with the nutbutters or nut flours, so I am trying to find

ways to give him the bread type things in other ways. Hope this

might be an option for you.

I hope you get more ideas from other list members.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/004

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Ripe(raw) banana is a very common first food after the intro diet is over.

Perhaps he would take pieces of that as a reward? The Gerber dried apple snacks

are not allowed. We call it illegal if it is not an allowed SCD food. Yes, I

do believe you're already seeing die off simply from the removal of those

grains. New to this and could use some help with what to use

for reinforcers for ABA

Hello to All,

I am so gad that this group exists!

We are about to start SCD with our 5-year-old ASD son, who has been

GFCF for 2 years and SF for one year. He initially had great

improvements in his stool when we removed these foods and then with the

addition of digestive enzymes, but it always goes back to being slop

with chunks of undigested food.

We are hoping to erradiacate what we believe to be the source of these

problems and heal his little gut by starting this diet! We are

fortunate in that he loves all meats, fruits, nuts, and vegetables

already (although not cooked; that will be what we need to work on!)

Yesterday, we refrained from giving him snacks/cereals containing corn,

rice, or potatoes and anything with sugar. He had a watery stool for

the first time in months and ended up being awake from 1:00 AM to 6:30

AM laughing and jumping, etc. He is usually a TERRIFIC sleeper. I

think we have die-off already, and we have not even officially started

this thing! I am planning to continue to avoid these foods until we

have everything in place to start the " official " intro diet. (which I

want to do ASAP because he starts back to school in 3 weeks and I hope

for him to be over the REALLY ugly stuff by that time).

Anyway, he has 18 hours of ABA(verbal behavior)/week and is talking

more than ever but is only currently motivated by FOOD. Is there

anything I could use for reinforcers at the beginning stages of this or

at least something that MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD as something else?

He would work for blueberries or pieces of raw apple or raisins, but I

know he should not have these right now. He might work for Gerber dried

apples (for babies) that melt in your mouth. Could they possibly be

acceptable?

Any advice would be appreciated. NOTHING motivates him but food: no

toys, objects, movies...nothing.

Thank you for your time and support.

M.S., Mom to Nick age 5 ASD

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Hi there - We have an autistic son who is nearly 5 yrs old. We too had done 2

yrs GFCF

and Soy free and corn free etc, and we also do ABA. We have been on the SCD diet

for over

2 months and we are seeing such great gains in language, eye contact and social

interaction. We have dropped all his supplements and drugs and he only has the

yoghurt

and an SCD friendly pro-biotic and he is doing better than ever.

Our son was ONLY motivated by food during ABA but since doing this diet I have

stopped

all food re-inforcement and made his program more natural enviroment with less

data

collection etc and he is enjoying his program more than ever and seems to want

to do

things more.

Anyway I know this isnt much help as you are lookin for solutions for what to

feed him,

but I just wanted to let you know how we got around this problem.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with the diet and feel sure you will find

good things as

we have.

All the best,

Sophie x

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> Does he like the Knox jello cubes made with the legal diluted

juice?? If he likes jello, you could cut them small and use those-

Sheri

mom of 11yoPDD-NOS & 10yoASD boys

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HI,

we had the same problem as you, as our son (ASD age 3)liked sultanas

as a reinforcer. I am not sure if they are ok to start early on or

not, but we tried carrot curls/chips (recipe on Pecanbread website)and

he loves them & will work really hard for them. We haven't seen any

reaction to them for him, but as I said I am unsure if it is

recommended to start them early on - we are only new too (2 months) so

it would pay to ask someone who has a bit more experience to double

check. We figured that since they were SCD legal we'd give them a go &

fortunately it has worked well for us. Just an idea anyway.

We've seen amazing things from this diet for our son & I hope you too

see some wonderful progress.

All the best,

Nonni (Mum to 3 & Finn 1)

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Thanks to all of you for your willingness to help and your great

ideas! We have not officially started yet; I am trying to get all of

my supports in place and ducks in a row!

We are cutting down greatly (amost completely)on corn, rice, and

potatoes. I started to cook all of his vegetables (and he is eating

them!) I am not giving him nuts anymore and am going to try to stick

to feeding him things that are easier to digest as per what I am

learning through my reading of the stages o the diet.

My husband is eduacting himself by reading as much about this as

possible. He has cold feet, but I KNOW in his heart this all makes

sense. He needs a little more time to process this, an that is one

of the resons I am not just throwing all of our snacks and cereals in

bags and getting rid of them right this minute.

We have an ABA team meeting and are going to initiate a plan to try

to wean him off of food for reinforcement if possible because I would

love to just have this out of the mix by the time we go " whole hog. "

I am getting extended family members on board by having them read.

I ordered SCD compliant probiotics to replace the ones he has been

taking and am slowly switching him over. (Should I back off of these

when I do the intro. if he is already tolerating them by then?)

One of my greatest obstacles is that in addition to his gut issues,

my little guy has tremendous problems with seasonal allergies (big

regressions also). This past June was the first time in 5 allergy

seasons that he did not regress, thanks to Claritin and Singulair,

which I have a feeling are not SCD compliant. Any suggestions for

dealing with this allergy issue would be ESPECIALLY appreciated. (As

much as I hated giving him drugs, they stopped thr pattern of several

weeks of tantrums, misery, and cognitive regression.)

I am trying to look at the " big picture " and think all of this

through so that it may be done right.

Any advice/comments/constructive criticisms on my current action plan

would be appreciated.

I can't wait to get this going, but my gut is telling me not to rush

into it, either.

Thanks again,

MS (Mom to Nick, 5-year-old ASD child and Kenny 2)

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If he is already tolerating SCD legal probiotics by the time you begin SCD,

then keep them going. I do have a friend whose daughter, I believe, uses

Singulair. I'm not sure if she is able to have it compounded to be SCD legal or

not, but I know that the little girl is SCD. She is ASD, but you would almost

never know it now. SCD and a little biomedical have done incredible things for

her. Cheri, if you see this, can you chyme in about the Singulair? I will also

email her off post to see what she does for her daughter.

Meleah

Re: New to this and could use some help with what to

use for reinforcers for ABA

Thanks to all of you for your willingness to help and your great

ideas! We have not officially started yet; I am trying to get all of

my supports in place and ducks in a row!

We are cutting down greatly (amost completely)on corn, rice, and

potatoes. I started to cook all of his vegetables (and he is eating

them!) I am not giving him nuts anymore and am going to try to stick

to feeding him things that are easier to digest as per what I am

learning through my reading of the stages o the diet.

My husband is eduacting himself by reading as much about this as

possible. He has cold feet, but I KNOW in his heart this all makes

sense. He needs a little more time to process this, an that is one

of the resons I am not just throwing all of our snacks and cereals in

bags and getting rid of them right this minute.

We have an ABA team meeting and are going to initiate a plan to try

to wean him off of food for reinforcement if possible because I would

love to just have this out of the mix by the time we go " whole hog. "

I am getting extended family members on board by having them read.

I ordered SCD compliant probiotics to replace the ones he has been

taking and am slowly switching him over. (Should I back off of these

when I do the intro. if he is already tolerating them by then?)

One of my greatest obstacles is that in addition to his gut issues,

my little guy has tremendous problems with seasonal allergies (big

regressions also). This past June was the first time in 5 allergy

seasons that he did not regress, thanks to Claritin and Singulair,

which I have a feeling are not SCD compliant. Any suggestions for

dealing with this allergy issue would be ESPECIALLY appreciated. (As

much as I hated giving him drugs, they stopped thr pattern of several

weeks of tantrums, misery, and cognitive regression.)

I am trying to look at the " big picture " and think all of this

through so that it may be done right.

Any advice/comments/constructive criticisms on my current action plan

would be appreciated.

I can't wait to get this going, but my gut is telling me not to rush

into it, either.

Thanks again,

MS (Mom to Nick, 5-year-old ASD child and Kenny 2)

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I would not stop the allergy meds since they have such a beneficial

effect on your child. You may want to look into having them compounded

without illegals. You could ask your doctor about MSM. It has helped

at least family get off antihistamines.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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mrsstanko mrsstanko@...

What is MSM?

**Joan in Sydney writes...MSM for muscle cramps, etc.

http://www.geocities.com/scdoz/joan.html

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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