Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Mike, >> Thanks again, Marilyn. You really have been an immense help. I appreciate you answering my fermented food vs. cooked food issue. As you can tell, I'm still having a great deal of trouble with the idea of cooking my veggies till they're mush. But, if that's what has to happen to help my son, that's what I'll do. << Oh, trust me -- I understand it! Once I got hooked on FRESH veggies, going back to well-cooked was pure torture, but it doesn't last forever! SCD is forever, in my opinion -- I have no desire to go back to my old way of eating -- but well-cooked veggies are not. <grin> >> We've all been pretty constipated at the beginning of this - been on SCD for about 4 days. I haven't had a bowel movement yet, nor have two of my sons (including CAEDEN, the ASD child). << Keep in mind that constipation and diarrhea are two ends of a single spectrum, not different issues. I'm not particularly experienced with handling the issue in children -- perhaps one of the parents who is can weigh in here with some thoughts. Be sure you're all drinking plenty of fluids. HOT fluids in the morning often help -- a bowl of soup, a cup of tea or coffee, even hot water. Although if your weather's been like ours lately, a hot breakfast is not where it's at. >> I ran across the link to the constipation protocol and was reading over that. She refers to " the muffins " , which I'm guessing must be referenced in the book that we're still waiting from the library. What muffins are these exactly? I'm assuming they must be made with some sort of nut flour, but I thought we were supposed to wait till we hit the Advanced stage to add nut flours. Any insight? << In general, nut flours have been found to be harder to digest than some other foods. Because we make our breads from nut flours, and because many people coming to this diet have been potato, pasta and bread junkies, there's a tendency to start the nut flour foods too soon, and the try to substitute, one for one. This piles WAY too much stuff into a gut that's struggling to detox itself and it just can't handle it. Many people find that the nut butters are better tolerated at the beginning than the nut flours and they can be substituted one for one in any SCD recipe calling for nut flour. The muffins referenced in Elaine's continpation protocol are, indeed, nut flour muffins -- but the amounts are strictly limited. Here's more information on it if you haven't already found it: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm Most of what you eat at the beginning doesn't have much to it, so it's not surprising you might not have a movement. For me, what worked best, was peeled, cooked zucchini. Tasty with butter and salt, scrumptious with grated cheddar and / or parmesan. My situation was a trifle different -- I started SCD right out of the hospital for emergency gall bladder surgery, and an anesthesia overdose, so was too blasted sick to cook much of anything. (My husband is a wonderful engineer -- he is NOT a cook, although he has learned how to bake bacon and toast his own sandwiches.) So I lived on roast beef, roast pork, soft-boiled eggs, and steamed zucchini for several months. I could always count on the zucchini to get things moving, both at the beginning, and in various rounds throughout getting normalized. Zucchini is very versatile, too. Goes in everything from lasagna to quiches to being a mock spaghetti substitute. I've even made crackers out of it. " The stages " are a useful guide line, no more. They didn't exist when I started. But they do work, for the most part, and in particular, in relation to ASD kids -- they're based on observations of the parents here, and Pecanbread parents have more experience than many of the so-called experts, that's for certain! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Wow, Marilyn - Dede here! I had no idea zuchinni was helpful in the C area ... my problem as well. Also I am slowly reading the book (by the time I get to it, it's late at night and I only get in a couple of pages before falling to sleep!) I'm going to read it this weekend. But I'm getting from your message here that al dente veggies are no longer the thing to do (as we've been taught), but to cook the livin' daylights out of them? Or did I completely misunderstand your message? Dede > > > Mike, > > >> Thanks again, Marilyn. You really have been > an immense help. I appreciate you answering my > fermented food vs. cooked food issue. As you can > tell, I'm still having a great deal of trouble > with the idea of cooking my veggies till they're > mush. But, if that's what has to happen to help my son, that's what I'll do. << > > Oh, trust me -- I understand it! Once I got > hooked on FRESH veggies, going back to > well-cooked was pure torture, but it doesn't last > forever! SCD is forever, in my opinion -- I have > no desire to go back to my old way of eating -- > but well-cooked veggies are not. <grin> > > >> We've all been pretty constipated at the > beginning of this - been on SCD for about 4 days. > I haven't had a bowel movement yet, nor have two > of my sons (including CAEDEN, the ASD child). << > > Keep in mind that constipation and diarrhea are > two ends of a single spectrum, not different > issues. I'm not particularly experienced with > handling the issue in children -- perhaps one of > the parents who is can weigh in here with some > thoughts. Be sure you're all drinking plenty of > fluids. HOT fluids in the morning often help -- a > bowl of soup, a cup of tea or coffee, even hot > water. Although if your weather's been like ours > lately, a hot breakfast is not where it's at. > > >> I ran across the link to the constipation > protocol and was reading over that. She refers to > " the muffins " , which I'm guessing must be > referenced in the book that we're still waiting > from the library. What muffins are these exactly? > I'm assuming they must be made with some sort of > nut flour, but I thought we were supposed to wait > till we hit the Advanced stage to add nut flours. Any insight? << > > In general, nut flours have been found to be > harder to digest than some other foods. Because > we make our breads from nut flours, and because > many people coming to this diet have been potato, > pasta and bread junkies, there's a tendency to > start the nut flour foods too soon, and the try > to substitute, one for one. This piles WAY too > much stuff into a gut that's struggling to detox > itself and it just can't handle it. > > Many people find that the nut butters are better > tolerated at the beginning than the nut flours > and they can be substituted one for one in any > SCD recipe calling for nut flour. > > The muffins referenced in Elaine's continpation > protocol are, indeed, nut flour muffins -- but > the amounts are strictly limited. Here's more > information on it if you haven't already found > it: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation ..htm > > Most of what you eat at the beginning doesn't > have much to it, so it's not surprising you might > not have a movement. For me, what worked best, > was peeled, cooked zucchini. Tasty with butter > and salt, scrumptious with grated cheddar and / > or parmesan. My situation was a trifle different > -- I started SCD right out of the hospital for > emergency gall bladder surgery, and an anesthesia > overdose, so was too blasted sick to cook much of > anything. (My husband is a wonderful engineer -- > he is NOT a cook, although he has learned how to > bake bacon and toast his own sandwiches.) So I > lived on roast beef, roast pork, soft-boiled > eggs, and steamed zucchini for several months. I > could always count on the zucchini to get things > moving, both at the beginning, and in various > rounds throughout getting normalized. Zucchini is > very versatile, too. Goes in everything from > lasagna to quiches to being a mock spaghetti > substitute. I've even made crackers out of it. > > " The stages " are a useful guide line, no more. > They didn't exist when I started. But they do > work, for the most part, and in particular, in > relation to ASD kids -- they're based on > observations of the parents here, and Pecanbread > parents have more experience than many of the > so-called experts, that's for certain! > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 At 03:24 PM 8/16/2007, you wrote: >I had no idea zuchinni was helpful in the C area >... my problem as well. Also I am slowly reading >the book (by the time I get to it, >it's late at night and I only get in a couple of >pages before falling to sleep!) I'm going to >read it this weekend. But I'm getting from >your message here that al dente veggies are no >longer the thing to do (as we've been taught), >but to cook the livin' daylights out of >them? Or did I completely misunderstand your message? Dede, No, you understood me. Constipation and Diarrhea are two points on the same continuum. Cooked foods -- because cooking breaks them down and makes them more digestible -- are easier to handle at the beginning of the diet. You'll probably be able to get back to those al dente veggies eventually! I did! Even raw salads, which I adore! My problem was mostly soft and mushy stool with alternating inability to shove it on out and then sudden urgency where I couldn't make it the fifteen feet from the bed to the toilet without an accident. Eating plates of steamed zucchini most days did the trick for me. I was, and to a certain extent, still am not very tolerant of most fruit, and the only thing prune nectar did for me was give me the runs. For some people, though, the prune nectar is just the thing. A few pages a night is better than no pages a night! Keep reading -- you have an amazing journey ahead of you! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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