A few questions

[Guest guest]

I'd like to start giving my daughter mayonaise but it has lemon in

it which is allowed in stage 4 and she is in stage 2 at the moment,

would the lemon content in mayo be mild enough to take in stage 2?

She also likes to chew the chicken tendon (the white part covering

the bone?)is it okay for her?

Her tummy looks bloated most of times, she hardly chews the food and

she eats a lot, I mean A LOT! She is 3 y 1mth but she can eat the

same size of meal as me. I let her have the food until she doesn't

want to take it anymore (I am still doing the feeding sometimes esp.

if she is having soup or pureed food. Does anyone have a good tip on

how to train her to chew her food. I have tried to show her in

exaggerating way by moving my mouth and makes a chewing noise but to

no success at all!

Leena

Mum of Clarice Belle, 3 y 1mth, severe ASD, non verbal, global

delayed, SCD Jun07

[Guest guest]

Hi Leena,

<<I'd like to start giving my daughter mayonaise but it has lemon in

> it which is allowed in stage 4 and she is in stage 2 at the moment,

> would the lemon content in mayo be mild enough to take in stage 2?>>

The stages are meant only as a guide. You can try a small amount of

the mayo and see how she does. If she doesn't do weel with lemon,

you cab try white vinegar in the mayo instead.

<< She also likes to chew the chicken tendon (the white part covering

> the bone?)is it okay for her?>>

As long as it is cooked I don't see a reason why not.

<<Her tummy looks bloated most of times, she hardly chews the food

and she eats a lot, I mean A LOT! She is 3 y 1mth but she can eat the

> same size of meal as me. I let her have the food until she doesn't

> want to take it anymore (I am still doing the feeding sometimes

esp.

> if she is having soup or pureed food. Does anyone have a good tip

on how to train her to chew her food. I have tried to show her in

> exaggerating way by moving my mouth and makes a chewing noise but

to no success at all!>>

The bloating may mean she is not tolerateing a food she is getting.

What foods is she eating and how are her bm's?

When my kids refused to chew i'd cook foods until they were very

soft. My MIL criticized the soft fruits and veggies saying I was

cooking out all of the goodness, my reply was if the food passes

right through they aren't get any of the " goodness " anyway.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of Em and Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

When her tummy is bloated but not hard, is it also caused by food

intolerance?

She has been eating :

- ripe banana with drizzle of ground roasted almond (I bought

organic almond nut butter (added sea salt) which is very buttery and

tastes great but it was from the whole almond (skin on) so I stopped

after two days and ground my own (roasted almond without skin in the

food processor then crashed them using mortar & pestle. It doesn't

look like a nut butter for me, it still looks like an almond flour

but finer)

- boiled pear, apple & pineapple, baked pear, diluted grape juice ,

diluted pineapple juice, almond milk (1 cup blanched almond to 1

litre water)

- Baked pork, chicken, beef, mostly with garlic, steamed carrot,

grean beans, sometimes steamed peppers, steamed turnip & swede

(rutabaga), steamed zucchini (courgette), steamed spinach (the other

day, I steamed the spinach just until it turned transparrant not

dark & I tried to pureed them in food processor without chopping

them first, end up stringy but soft, the next day I just chopped

them & well cooked)

- Carrot & zucchini curls (pan fried with olive oil). She loves this

so much, she can eat the total of 3 small to medium carrots & 3

medium size zucchinis in one serving.

- Skillet fried egg, sunny up, scrambled mixed with steamed veges

Her BMs mostly very firm (constipated sometimes) sometimes got a

little sticky mucus and always have undigested veges & white dots

from almond in it, especially the carrot & zucchini curls, it came

out the same as she ate them (she hasn't had the curls for 1 week

now)

Supplement: Carlson CLO (started early August)

GI Prokids multivit, Prozyme, SCDophillus (started 28th Aug), Zinc

liquid

Sorry for the very long post Sheila, hope you don't get dizzy

reading them.

Oops, I have to add that she stole raw apple and took a bite in the

supermarkets (it happened a few times but no worries I paid for them

afterwards ) and this morning she had one bite of wheat biscuits

when my DH was having his breakfast and he forgot to put them back

in the pantry. I ran her to the bathroom and squirt her mouth with

water but I'm sure she took a little bit of it.

Regards

Leena

Mum of Clarice belle, 3y 1mth, severe ASD non verbal, SCD Jun 07

>

> Hi Leena,

>

> <<I'd like to start giving my daughter mayonaise but it has lemon

in

> > it which is allowed in stage 4 and she is in stage 2 at the

moment,

> > would the lemon content in mayo be mild enough to take in stage

2?>>

>

> The stages are meant only as a guide. You can try a small amount

of

> the mayo and see how she does. If she doesn't do weel with lemon,

> you cab try white vinegar in the mayo instead.

>

> << She also likes to chew the chicken tendon (the white part

covering

> > the bone?)is it okay for her?>>

>

> As long as it is cooked I don't see a reason why not.

>

> <<Her tummy looks bloated most of times, she hardly chews the food

> and she eats a lot, I mean A LOT! She is 3 y 1mth but she can eat

the

> > same size of meal as me. I let her have the food until she

doesn't

> > want to take it anymore (I am still doing the feeding sometimes

> esp.

> > if she is having soup or pureed food. Does anyone have a good

tip

> on how to train her to chew her food. I have tried to show her in

> > exaggerating way by moving my mouth and makes a chewing noise

but

> to no success at all!>>

>

> The bloating may mean she is not tolerateing a food she is getting.

>

> What foods is she eating and how are her bm's?

>

> When my kids refused to chew i'd cook foods until they were very

> soft. My MIL criticized the soft fruits and veggies saying I was

> cooking out all of the goodness, my reply was if the food passes

> right through they aren't get any of the " goodness " anyway.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of Em and Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leena,

<<When her tummy is bloated but not hard, is it also caused by food

> intolerance? >>

It may be a food she isn't ready for or something else.

<<She has been eating :

>

> - ripe banana with drizzle of ground roasted almond (I bought

> organic almond nut butter (added sea salt) which is very buttery

and > tastes great but it was from the whole almond (skin on) so I

stopped > after two days and ground my own (roasted almond without

skin in the > food processor then crashed them using mortar &

pestle. It doesn't

> look like a nut butter for me, it still looks like an almond flour

> but finer)

>

> - boiled pear, apple & pineapple, baked pear, diluted grape juice ,

> diluted pineapple juice, almond milk (1 cup blanched almond to 1

> litre water)>>

Which pineapple juice (homemade/commercial brand)?

<<- Baked pork, chicken, beef, mostly with garlic, steamed carrot,

> grean beans, sometimes steamed peppers, steamed turnip & swede

> (rutabaga), steamed zucchini (courgette), steamed spinach (the

other

> day, I steamed the spinach just until it turned transparrant not

> dark & I tried to pureed them in food processor without chopping

> them first, end up stringy but soft, the next day I just chopped

> them & well cooked)

Is the zucchini peeled? (This could be a source of bloat)

Turnip and rutabaga are in the cabbage family (Brassicaceae) and may

cause bloating.

<<- Carrot & zucchini curls (pan fried with olive oil). She loves

this so much, she can eat the total of 3 small to medium carrots & 3

> medium size zucchinis in one serving.>>

If she has a lot of bloating, the oil may be too difficult to digest

at the moment.

<<- Skillet fried egg, sunny up, scrambled mixed with steamed veges

>

> Her BMs mostly very firm (constipated sometimes) sometimes got a

> little sticky mucus and always have undigested veges & white dots

> from almond in it, especially the carrot & zucchini curls, it came

> out the same as she ate them (she hasn't had the curls for 1 week

> now)

When did the bloating start or has it been there since starting the

diet in June... or before starting the diet? Has there been any

change since starting SCD?

> Supplement: Carlson CLO (started early August)

> GI Prokids multivit, Prozyme, SCDophillus (started 28th Aug), Zinc

> liquid>>

How much Prozyme is she having with each meal? Is there any

cellulase in it? If yes how much (I looked at the site)?

Any changes since staring the SCDophilus?

<<Sorry for the very long post Sheila, hope you don't get dizzy

> reading them.>>

Nah... I'm already a dizzy brunette

<< Oops, I have to add that she stole raw apple and took a bite in

the

> supermarkets (it happened a few times but no worries I paid for

them

> afterwards ) and this morning she had one bite of wheat biscuits

> when my DH was having his breakfast and he forgot to put them back

> in the pantry. I ran her to the bathroom and squirt her mouth with

> water but I'm sure she took a little bit of it.>>

Did she react with the raw apple? Bloating worse or the same?

If she has a setback with the wheat you can do the intro for a day or

two to get things back to normal.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

The legal/illegal list on www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info says this

about rutabaga:

Also known as swede It is very fibrous, so go slow and be careful.

And turnips, though allowed at first, were moved to the illegal

category in 2002.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks a lot for answering my questions.

All fruit juice (incl pineapple are homemade), zucchinis are peeled

but not seeded (suppose I have to do it from now on?) and I gave her

a lot of steamed rutabaga (swede) as she likes it very much and low

in phenols and not too high in salycilate.

She was having bloated tummy before starting SCD. When we started

the intro diet, her tummy was flat for a few days (that was the

first time I saw her flat tummy) but after intro stage, most of

times are bloated but soft (except when she had antibiotic) and

eventhough I keep a food log, it is hard for me to tell which food

caused it because from what I read, some people have quick reaction

and some could take a week or more to react and I can't really tell.

I guess she also have salicylates & phenol problems. Symptoms: can't

sleep at night (sometimes at 1 or 2 am.. morning), stimming more,

laughing without reason, dark circles under eye, hitting her own

head (prob from headaches). But I think I worked this one out for

the saly & phenol. She fell asleep at 9pm today (thank goodness..

most days she sleeps at around 10 - 11pm). For the last two days, I

gave her saly & phenol foods and supplements in the morning (with

1/4 capsule of prozyme with each meal during the day) and non saly &

phenol food at night time.

Prozyme got cellulase 500 CU

Sheila, from your answer, I guess I have to reduce the turnip &

rutabaga & the use of oil (plus the fat from the meat). Actually I

have just introduced steamed cabbage (no phenol & saly) and heard a

little fart .. once..

Since starting SCD, she sleeps better (prior to SCD, she would wake

up average from 3am to 6 am almost everyday and my husband used to

take her in the car until she fell asleep from baby to 2 yo, after 2

yo, driving around in the car didn't seem to work anymore).

1 day doing intro diet, she responsed when I called her name (prior

to that, she never bother even to look, I thought she was having

selective hearing problem because she responsed to the sound of

blues clues on TV). What made me convinced to stick to the diet, on

that same day, it seems like her brain was unblocked that she could

understand and did it when I asked her to put the clothes back into

the basket after she threw it out (I was just simply asking without

hoping there would be any reaction at all.. woowww , it was a

miracle for me) and she put on shoes her self for the very first

time, complete with velcro on and on the correct sides!!!

I have watched Elaine's video and think I will be the retarded one

if I don't keep doing this diet after seeing such a miracle (after

ONE day being on the diet) and I don't think it is a coincidence.

At kindy, her teacher aid said to me that she has made progress and

is a happy little girl.

Warmest Regards

Leena

>

> Hi Leena,

>

> <<When her tummy is bloated but not hard, is it also caused by

food

> > intolerance? >>

>

> It may be a food she isn't ready for or something else.

>

> <<She has been eating :

> >

> > - ripe banana with drizzle of ground roasted almond (I bought

> > organic almond nut butter (added sea salt) which is very buttery

> and > tastes great but it was from the whole almond (skin on) so I

> stopped > after two days and ground my own (roasted almond without

> skin in the > food processor then crashed them using mortar &

> pestle. It doesn't

> > look like a nut butter for me, it still looks like an almond

flour

> > but finer)

> >

> > - boiled pear, apple & pineapple, baked pear, diluted grape

juice ,

> > diluted pineapple juice, almond milk (1 cup blanched almond to 1

> > litre water)>>

>

> Which pineapple juice (homemade/commercial brand)?

>

> <<- Baked pork, chicken, beef, mostly with garlic, steamed carrot,

> > grean beans, sometimes steamed peppers, steamed turnip & swede

> > (rutabaga), steamed zucchini (courgette), steamed spinach (the

> other

> > day, I steamed the spinach just until it turned transparrant not

> > dark & I tried to pureed them in food processor without chopping

> > them first, end up stringy but soft, the next day I just chopped

> > them & well cooked)

>

> Is the zucchini peeled? (This could be a source of bloat)

>

> Turnip and rutabaga are in the cabbage family (Brassicaceae) and

may

> cause bloating.

>

> <<- Carrot & zucchini curls (pan fried with olive oil). She loves

> this so much, she can eat the total of 3 small to medium carrots &

3

> > medium size zucchinis in one serving.>>

>

> If she has a lot of bloating, the oil may be too difficult to

digest

> at the moment.

>

> <<- Skillet fried egg, sunny up, scrambled mixed with steamed veges

> >

> > Her BMs mostly very firm (constipated sometimes) sometimes got a

> > little sticky mucus and always have undigested veges & white

dots

> > from almond in it, especially the carrot & zucchini curls, it

came

> > out the same as she ate them (she hasn't had the curls for 1

week

> > now)

>

> When did the bloating start or has it been there since starting

the

> diet in June... or before starting the diet? Has there been any

> change since starting SCD?

>

> > Supplement: Carlson CLO (started early August)

> > GI Prokids multivit, Prozyme, SCDophillus (started 28th Aug),

Zinc

> > liquid>>

>

> How much Prozyme is she having with each meal? Is there any

> cellulase in it? If yes how much (I looked at the site)?

>

> Any changes since staring the SCDophilus?

>

> <<Sorry for the very long post Sheila, hope you don't get dizzy

> > reading them.>>

>

> Nah... I'm already a dizzy brunette

>

>

> << Oops, I have to add that she stole raw apple and took a bite in

> the

> > supermarkets (it happened a few times but no worries I paid for

> them

> > afterwards ) and this morning she had one bite of wheat

biscuits

> > when my DH was having his breakfast and he forgot to put them

back

> > in the pantry. I ran her to the bathroom and squirt her mouth

with

> > water but I'm sure she took a little bit of it.>>

>

> Did she react with the raw apple? Bloating worse or the same?

>

> If she has a setback with the wheat you can do the intro for a day

or

> two to get things back to normal.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

HI, Leena! Dede here!

I don't want to muddy the water so to speak, but I have a known

allergy to pineapple (causes headaches that put my migraines to

shame!! Seriously - 1 small fresh cube of pineapple laid me out for

12 hours! Not even vicodin touched it.

I've learned since then that a lot of people are allergic to

pineapple, right up there with strawberries.

As a child I did not like pineapple juice at all, but I do like fresh

pineapple. This allergy appeared about 13 years ago. I was already

a label reader any way, so then I started looking for pineapple being

used as a sweetener ... and also bromelein (used as a digestive aid).

Problems can certainly come from unexpected sources, huh?

Dede

> >

> > Hi Leena,

> >

> > <<When her tummy is bloated but not hard, is it also caused by

> food

> > > intolerance? >>

> >

> > It may be a food she isn't ready for or something else.

> >

> > <<She has been eating :

> > >

> > > - ripe banana with drizzle of ground roasted almond (I bought

> > > organic almond nut butter (added sea salt) which is very

buttery

> > and > tastes great but it was from the whole almond (skin on) so

I

> > stopped > after two days and ground my own (roasted almond

without

> > skin in the > food processor then crashed them using mortar &

> > pestle. It doesn't

> > > look like a nut butter for me, it still looks like an almond

> flour

> > > but finer)

> > >

> > > - boiled pear, apple & pineapple, baked pear, diluted grape

> juice ,

> > > diluted pineapple juice, almond milk (1 cup blanched almond to

1

> > > litre water)>>

> >

> > Which pineapple juice (homemade/commercial brand)?

> >

> > <<- Baked pork, chicken, beef, mostly with garlic, steamed

carrot,

> > > grean beans, sometimes steamed peppers, steamed turnip & swede

> > > (rutabaga), steamed zucchini (courgette), steamed spinach (the

> > other

> > > day, I steamed the spinach just until it turned transparrant

not

> > > dark & I tried to pureed them in food processor without

chopping

> > > them first, end up stringy but soft, the next day I just

chopped

> > > them & well cooked)

> >

> > Is the zucchini peeled? (This could be a source of bloat)

> >

> > Turnip and rutabaga are in the cabbage family (Brassicaceae) and

> may

> > cause bloating.

> >

> > <<- Carrot & zucchini curls (pan fried with olive oil). She loves

> > this so much, she can eat the total of 3 small to medium carrots

&

> 3

> > > medium size zucchinis in one serving.>>

> >

> > If she has a lot of bloating, the oil may be too difficult to

> digest

> > at the moment.

> >

> > <<- Skillet fried egg, sunny up, scrambled mixed with steamed

veges

> > >

> > > Her BMs mostly very firm (constipated sometimes) sometimes got

a

> > > little sticky mucus and always have undigested veges & white

> dots

> > > from almond in it, especially the carrot & zucchini curls, it

> came

> > > out the same as she ate them (she hasn't had the curls for 1

> week

> > > now)

> >

> > When did the bloating start or has it been there since starting

> the

> > diet in June... or before starting the diet? Has there been any

> > change since starting SCD?

> >

> > > Supplement: Carlson CLO (started early August)

> > > GI Prokids multivit, Prozyme, SCDophillus (started 28th Aug),

> Zinc

> > > liquid>>

> >

> > How much Prozyme is she having with each meal? Is there any

> > cellulase in it? If yes how much (I looked at the site)?

> >

> > Any changes since staring the SCDophilus?

> >

> > <<Sorry for the very long post Sheila, hope you don't get dizzy

> > > reading them.>>

> >

> > Nah... I'm already a dizzy brunette

> >

> >

> > << Oops, I have to add that she stole raw apple and took a bite

in

> > the

> > > supermarkets (it happened a few times but no worries I paid for

> > them

> > > afterwards ) and this morning she had one bite of wheat

> biscuits

> > > when my DH was having his breakfast and he forgot to put them

> back

> > > in the pantry. I ran her to the bathroom and squirt her mouth

> with

> > > water but I'm sure she took a little bit of it.>>

> >

> > Did she react with the raw apple? Bloating worse or the same?

> >

> > If she has a setback with the wheat you can do the intro for a

day

> or

> > two to get things back to normal.

> >

> > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> > mom of and

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Leena,

<< zucchinis are peeled

> but not seeded (suppose I have to do it from now on?)>>

Deseed zucchini if they have large seeds. Small zucchini (~10 inches

or less) with immature seeds are okay as they are.

> Sheila, from your answer, I guess I have to reduce the turnip &

> rutabaga & the use of oil (plus the fat from the meat). Actually I

> have just introduced steamed cabbage (no phenol & saly) and heard a

> little fart .. once..

I reduce the turnip first and see if that helps, if not then remove

reduce the rutabaga. If still no change then try reducing fat to see

if it helps. But if she isn't having diarrhea or loose, soft stool

the fats are likely okay.

<<What made me convinced to stick to the diet, on

> that same day, it seems like her brain was unblocked that she could

> understand and did it when I asked her to put the clothes back into

> the basket after she threw it out (I was just simply asking without

> hoping there would be any reaction at all.. woowww , it was a

> miracle for me) and she put on shoes her self for the very first

> time, complete with velcro on and on the correct sides!!! >>...At

kindy, her teacher aid said to me that she has made progress and

> is a happy little girl.>>

Great progress : )

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Dede,

I hope she hasn't got the allergy to pineapple, she loves it so

much. I'm pretty sure she has salicylates & phenol problem and

pineapple is high in phenol & very high in salicylates. I was going

to order Phenol assist from Kirkman but stucked in the shipping part

as 'no shipping method available' to New Zealand and they haven't

reply to my email either.

> > >

> > > Hi Leena,

> > >

> > > <<When her tummy is bloated but not hard, is it also caused by

> > food

> > > > intolerance? >>

> > >

> > > It may be a food she isn't ready for or something else.

> > >

> > > <<She has been eating :

> > > >

> > > > - ripe banana with drizzle of ground roasted almond (I

bought

> > > > organic almond nut butter (added sea salt) which is very

> buttery

> > > and > tastes great but it was from the whole almond (skin on)

so

> I

> > > stopped > after two days and ground my own (roasted almond

> without

> > > skin in the > food processor then crashed them using mortar &

> > > pestle. It doesn't

> > > > look like a nut butter for me, it still looks like an almond

> > flour

> > > > but finer)

> > > >

> > > > - boiled pear, apple & pineapple, baked pear, diluted grape

> > juice ,

> > > > diluted pineapple juice, almond milk (1 cup blanched almond

to

> 1

> > > > litre water)>>

> > >

> > > Which pineapple juice (homemade/commercial brand)?

> > >

> > > <<- Baked pork, chicken, beef, mostly with garlic, steamed

> carrot,

> > > > grean beans, sometimes steamed peppers, steamed turnip &

swede

> > > > (rutabaga), steamed zucchini (courgette), steamed spinach

(the

> > > other

> > > > day, I steamed the spinach just until it turned transparrant

> not

> > > > dark & I tried to pureed them in food processor without

> chopping

> > > > them first, end up stringy but soft, the next day I just

> chopped

> > > > them & well cooked)

> > >

> > > Is the zucchini peeled? (This could be a source of bloat)

> > >

> > > Turnip and rutabaga are in the cabbage family (Brassicaceae)

and

> > may

> > > cause bloating.

> > >

> > > <<- Carrot & zucchini curls (pan fried with olive oil). She

loves

> > > this so much, she can eat the total of 3 small to medium

carrots

> &

> > 3

> > > > medium size zucchinis in one serving.>>

> > >

> > > If she has a lot of bloating, the oil may be too difficult to

> > digest

> > > at the moment.

> > >

> > > <<- Skillet fried egg, sunny up, scrambled mixed with steamed

> veges

> > > >

> > > > Her BMs mostly very firm (constipated sometimes) sometimes

got

> a

> > > > little sticky mucus and always have undigested veges & white

> > dots

> > > > from almond in it, especially the carrot & zucchini curls,

it

> > came

> > > > out the same as she ate them (she hasn't had the curls for 1

> > week

> > > > now)

> > >

> > > When did the bloating start or has it been there since

starting

> > the

> > > diet in June... or before starting the diet? Has there been

any

> > > change since starting SCD?

> > >

> > > > Supplement: Carlson CLO (started early August)

> > > > GI Prokids multivit, Prozyme, SCDophillus (started 28th

Aug),

> > Zinc

> > > > liquid>>

> > >

> > > How much Prozyme is she having with each meal? Is there any

> > > cellulase in it? If yes how much (I looked at the site)?

> > >

> > > Any changes since staring the SCDophilus?

> > >

> > > <<Sorry for the very long post Sheila, hope you don't get

dizzy

> > > > reading them.>>

> > >

> > > Nah... I'm already a dizzy brunette

> > >

> > >

> > > << Oops, I have to add that she stole raw apple and took a

bite

> in

> > > the

> > > > supermarkets (it happened a few times but no worries I paid

for

> > > them

> > > > afterwards ) and this morning she had one bite of wheat

> > biscuits

> > > > when my DH was having his breakfast and he forgot to put

them

> > back

> > > > in the pantry. I ran her to the bathroom and squirt her

mouth

> > with

> > > > water but I'm sure she took a little bit of it.>>

> > >

> > > Did she react with the raw apple? Bloating worse or the same?

> > >

> > > If she has a setback with the wheat you can do the intro for a

> day

> > or

> > > two to get things back to normal.

> > >

> > > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> > > mom of and

> > >

> >

>