Re: Yogurt causing blood & newbie questions

[Guest guest]

> > <<I've been on a very basic " stage 1 " SCD diet for the past

three

> > > months and a more " normal " SCD diet for six months prior to

that.

> > > I've been extremely vigilant with the diet and have not had

any

> SCD

> > > illegals since a few mistakes in the early days back in

February.

> I

> > > am currently re-introducing one food every four days. If I

don't

> > have

> > > any problems I integrate that food into my routine

consumption.

> If

> > I

> > > get blood or D I let my system rest before introducing

anything

> > else.

> > >

> > > My latest dilemma is that SCD goats yogurt appears to be

causing

> me

> > > to bleed. I have re-introduced it several times over the past

> three

> > > months and every time it gives me D, or blood or both. For the

> > first

> > > six months I was eating cow SCD yogurt seemingly with no

problem.

> > Now

> > > I'm introducing the goat yogurt and it is problematic.

> > Since you are having bleeding the good enzymes in the yogurt may

be

> > aggravating open ulcerations. This has been reported by

others.

> It

> > sounds as if you need to wait a while longer before

reintroducing

> the

> > yogurt.

> >

> > It sounds as if you had a setback a couple of months ago. This

> > sometimes happens and means that foods need to be reintroduced.

> >

> > I found that taking S. boulardii ( a good probiotic yeast)

helped

> > considerably, especially when I was unable to tolerate the

yogurt.

> > S. boulardii has been found to work in conjunction with good

> bacteria

> > to prevent harmful microbes from increasing, has helped reduced

the

> > numbers of some harmful microbes. Good bacteria (SCD legal

> bacteria:

> > either legal probiotics or legal bacteria from femented food)

and

> S.

> > boulardii work synergistically in the body.

>

>

> ==> What brand or strains of probiotics are considered SCD legal?

Are

> there strains to avoid? I've had difficulty finding probiotics

> without chickpeas or other questionables here in Vancouver BC. Are

> fermented foods recommended with UC? I was thinking about making

> sourkraut, but thought the cabbage might be problematic for

digestion.

>

> Thank you,

>

> -Bob

> UC 1.5 years

> SCD 9 months

>

>

> >

> > Last year I had to avoid yogurt until my ulcerations healed

> > sufficiently. When ready I started with a tiny amount and

> gradually

> > increased it. I was pretty tired (die off) for the first few

days

> or

> > reintroducing it. It took a number of weeks without yogurt

(maybe

> > even a month or two)

> >

> > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> > mom of Em and Dan

> >

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Hi Bob & Sheila,

I tried the long island listserve but got literally no response to

my questions - I think because it's so busy!

I also found a bleeding setback when introducing yogurt and I'm glad

to know to hold off & try again when the bleeding stops. I has high

hopes it would help too. I hear all sorts of things about

probiotics - it seems Elaine's advice from BTVC is not to use them

but what about those of us who aren't tolerating yogurt? I tried

Goat's milk but it was too gross as well as strained yogurt. Does

low fat milk work better? How does a person know what priobiotics

work & what don't for them? Is it probiotic roulette? Or perhaps

the stool testing lab can tell us what to do?

I was getting discouraged with the blood so now I am strictly

introducing foods one at a time from the intro diet.

Looking forward to making connections for support!

Thanks,

Liz

UC?CD 3.5 yrs

mom of Avery and Isabel

[Guest guest]

At 06:31 PM 9/2/2007, you wrote:

>Looking forward to making connections for support!

Liz,

Sorry no one answered you over on Long Island.

Did you post your questions in the last day or

so? I've been away a bit -- it was the second

anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, and we

commemorated the event by having things like eight hour power outages.

If you don't tolerate the yogurt, you might look

into using properly fermented vegetables -- and

drinking the juice off them if the vegetables are

too fibrous for your gut in the beginning.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

<<I tried the long island listserve but got literally no response to

> my questions - I think because it's so busy!

>

> I also found a bleeding setback when introducing yogurt and I'm

glad > to know to hold off & try again when the bleeding stops. I

has high > hopes it would help too. I hear all sorts of things about

> probiotics - it seems Elaine's advice from BTVC is not to use them

> but what about those of us who aren't tolerating yogurt?>>

You can try probiotics. Elaine recommended SCDers only use

Lactobacillus acidophilus in the probiotic form (bacteria). She

felt that this bacteria had a good ecord with SCDers and had

substantial research behind it. More recently she approved the use

of Saccharomyces boulardii ( a beneficial yeast).

Some legal brands of L. acidophilus:

GiProhealth see http://pecanbread.com/new/probiotics1.html

Kirkman's see http://pecanbread.com/new/probiotics1.html

Lyosan (contains minute amount cow dairy) available at

http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/acidophilus.html and other places...

Legal brands of S. boulardii:

http://www.giprohealth.com/sboulardii.html

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/probiotics/saccharomyces/Saccharom

yc

es_C_60_Spec240.html If trouble with this link go to products then go

to probiotics at http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/index.html

<<I tried Goat's milk but it was too gross as well as strained

yogurt. Does low fat milk work better?>>

Higher fat milk has less lactose so generally it is tolerated

better. If you have a problem with fats you can try the lower yogurt

and you might consider dripping the yogurt if you have some trouble

with it. But, if you have problem with the yogurt because you have

blood in stools you may be better off waiting a while to let the

bleeding clear up and then start with the gentler higher fat yogurts.

<< How does a person know what priobiotics

> work & what don't for them? Is it probiotic roulette? Or perhaps

> the stool testing lab can tell us what to do?>>

Elaine only approved the strains above. Many SCDers have tried other

strains often with pretty negative results. Please steer clear of

bifidum strains.

<<I was getting discouraged with the blood so now I am strictly

> introducing foods one at a time from the intro diet.>>

Are you on any meds?

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and