What's a yeast die-off look like?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been away for while, but still trying to keep on with some

semblance of the diet. My wife had issues with the diet and insisted

we add some foods off-plan, but I've tried to keep the diet as simple

as possible, and recently we started over with a very low sugar diet

designed to attack the yeast.

11 days ago, we did an intro diet for two days, and then went back to

a beginner/itermediate diet without apple sauce and orange juice.

He's been almost fruit-free since then, and has gotten nearly all his

carbs from carrots and green beans. About 8 days ago, he started

getting some pretty stinky diarrhea, and he's been on and off with the

diarrhea since then.

5 days ago I restarted with a pretty strict intro diet, and have only

added green beans since then. The diarrhea seems to be getting worse,

but in many ways, his behavior and brain function seem to be improving.

Is this what a yeast die-off might look like? Any other ideas?

Current Foods

-----------

Fried eggs w/olive & coconut oil

Electrolyte with small amount of legal cherry juice

Hamburger

Hardboild Eggs with homemade mayo

Baked chicken

Pressure-cooked carrots (for 90 minutes)

Green beans

S. Boulardii

Candizyme (anti-yeast enzyme)

SCDophilus

Legal vitamins and minerals

Thanks,

Wayne

Charlie's dad, ASD, high tartaric acid (yeast probably)

Nut diet, 8 months; SCD 5 days (or maybe it's still the nut diet).

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think it could be die-off. had 2 weeks of diarrhea after

he started the intro.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

<<I've been away for while, but still trying to keep on with some

> semblance of the diet. My wife had issues with the diet and

insisted> we add some foods off-plan, but I've tried to keep the diet

as simple> as possible, and recently we started over with a very low

sugar diet> designed to attack the yeast.

>

> 11 days ago, we did an intro diet for two days, and then went back

to> a beginner/itermediate diet without apple sauce and orange juice.

> He's been almost fruit-free since then, and has gotten nearly all

his> carbs from carrots and green beans. About 8 days ago, he started

> getting some pretty stinky diarrhea, and he's been on and off with

the> diarrhea since then.

>

> 5 days ago I restarted with a pretty strict intro diet, and have

only> added green beans since then. The diarrhea seems to be getting

worse,> but in many ways, his behavior and brain function seem to be

improving.>>

How long did you stay on the intro? How were his bm's during that

time?

When you began the green benas did you see any change in bm's?

<<Is this what a yeast die-off might look like? Any other ideas?>>

It may be die off.

<<Current Foods

> -----------

> Fried eggs w/olive & coconut oil

> Electrolyte with small amount of legal cherry juice

> Hamburger

> Hardboild Eggs with homemade mayo

> Baked chicken

> Pressure-cooked carrots (for 90 minutes)

> Green beans

> S. Boulardii

> Candizyme (anti-yeast enzyme)

> SCDophilus

> Legal vitamins and minerals>>

Just to make sure - you can't take the Candizyme at the same time as

the S. boulardii. You can take S. boulardii at the same time as

SCDophilus

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Re: What's a yeast die-off look like?

Thanks for responding Sheila, and any information or guidance is

greatly appreciated. I think I may finally be making some progress,

but my wife is very concerned that the diet is hurting him. An

extract of the message is below with my answers.

Thank you again,

Wayne

(Charlie's dad, ASD w/yeast, nut diet 8 months, SCD 6 days)

Wayne first said:

" 5 days ago I restarted with a pretty strict intro diet, and have

only added green beans since then. The diarrhea seems to be getting

worse, but in many ways, his behavior and brain function seem to be

improving. "

Sheila asked,

" How long did you stay on the intro? How were his bm's during that

time? When you began the green beans did you see any change in bm's? "

Wayne answered:

3 days on the intro. The bm's were back and forth between mushy and

soft, roughly once or twice a day, not at any particular time, and

usually quite orange (we were eating lots of carrots). said he

had a nice firm poop on day 3 of the intro. When we added green beans

the diarrhea started in earnest (5 times yesterday), and one of the

times had a large amount of mostly odorless and colorless water. He's

had one watery bm today and one quite mushy one. My wife changed both

diapers, but she indicated that they were more orange than green.

That makes my untrained mind think it's not a problem with the green

beans. He's been kind of grumpy today and more contrary than usual,

but he's not been completely miserable.

Wayne first asked:

" Is this what a yeast die-off might look like? Any other ideas? "

Sheila answered:

" It may be die off. "

Wayne first said:

" Current Foods

-----------

Fried eggs w/olive & coconut oil

Electrolyte with small amount of legal cherry juice

Hamburger

Hardboild Eggs with homemade mayo

Baked chicken

Pressure-cooked carrots (for 90 minutes)

Green beans

S. Boulardii

Candizyme (anti-yeast enzyme)

SCDophilus

Legal vitamins and minerals "

Sheila said,

" Just to make sure - you can't take the Candizyme at the same time as

the S. boulardii. You can take S. boulardii at the same time as

SCDophilus. "

Wayne answered:

SCDophilus I give him in the morning (7am) with the vitamins (in

carrot sauce); Candizyme at around 2pm between lunch (noon) and

dinner (6pm) usually; S. Boulardii just before bedtime (9:30pm)

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the feedback . It helps tremendously to know what

others have experienced.

Thanks again,

Wayne

>

> Yes, I think it could be die-off. had 2 weeks of diarrhea after

> he started the intro.

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

> Wayne first said:

> " 5 days ago I restarted with a pretty strict intro diet, and have

> only added green beans since then. The diarrhea seems to be getting

> worse, but in many ways, his behavior and brain function seem to be

> improving. "

>

> Sheila asked,

> " How long did you stay on the intro? How were his bm's during that

> time? When you began the green beans did you see any change in

bm's? "

>

> Wayne answered:

>

> 3 days on the intro. The bm's were back and forth between mushy and

> soft, roughly once or twice a day, not at any particular time, and

> usually quite orange (we were eating lots of carrots). said

he> had a nice firm poop on day 3 of the intro. When we added green

beans> the diarrhea started in earnest (5 times yesterday), and one

of the> times had a large amount of mostly odorless and colorless

water. He's> had one watery bm today and one quite mushy one. My

wife changed both> diapers, but she indicated that they were more

orange than green.

> That makes my untrained mind think it's not a problem with the green

> beans. He's been kind of grumpy today and more contrary than usual,

> but he's not been completely miserable.>>

If day 3 of the intro had a good poop and when you introduced the

green beans his pooh turned to diarrhea I'd strongly suggest removing

green beans. It sounds as if he does not tolerate them. I'd leave

them out for as good long while.

<<> Wayne first asked:

> " Is this what a yeast die-off might look like? Any other ideas? "

>

> Sheila answered:

> " It may be die off. "

>

> Wayne first said:

>

> " Current Foods

> -----------

> Fried eggs w/olive & coconut oil

> Electrolyte with small amount of legal cherry juice

> Hamburger

> Hardboild Eggs with homemade mayo

> Baked chicken

> Pressure-cooked carrots (for 90 minutes)

> Green beans

> S. Boulardii

> Candizyme (anti-yeast enzyme)

> SCDophilus

> Legal vitamins and minerals "

>

> Sheila said,

> " Just to make sure - you can't take the Candizyme at the same time

as

> the S. boulardii. You can take S. boulardii at the same time as

> SCDophilus. "

>

> Wayne answered:

>

> SCDophilus I give him in the morning (7am) with the vitamins (in

> carrot sauce); Candizyme at around 2pm between lunch (noon) and

> dinner (6pm) usually; S. Boulardii just before bedtime (9:30pm)>>

That sounds good.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of Em and

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the advice, Sheila. After I wrote yesterday's message,

I realized how dumb it sounded, so I didn't give him any green beans,

today. I gave him a bit of zucchini today instead. That seems to be

working better from a poop perspective. You suggested to leave the

green beans out " a good long while " . I'm guessing that means a month

or more.

I'm at a loss for what new foods to introduce. He's got a good

variety of meats, so that's a dead end. I'm kind of afraid of the

vegetables now, spinach because of the oxylates, and everything else

because it's up a level. I'd like to give it another week before I

add fruit. I guess I'll try goat yogurt, then maybe mushrooms.

Thank you again for all your help Sheila. I wish I were smarter, so I

wouldn't have to trouble you so much.

Wayne

Charlie's dad (ASD w/yeast) SCD 9/3/2007

Sheila wrote:

If day 3 of the intro had a good poop and when you introduced the

green beans his pooh turned to diarrhea I'd strongly suggest removing

green beans. It sounds as if he does not tolerate them. I'd leave

them out for as good long while.

Wayne said:

SCDophilus I give him in the morning (7am) with the vitamins (in

carrot sauce); Candizyme at around 2pm between lunch (noon) and

dinner (6pm) usually; S. Boulardii just before bedtime (9:30pm)

Sheila said:

That sounds good.

[Guest guest]

I find that if I peal carrots and then boil them for 4 hours and then

blend them, that I tolerate them a lot better. I also boil green

beans for 30-40 minutes and then blend them. My husband has issues

with zucchini because of the salicylates/fenols, so you might want to

be careful with them. I find that I digest zucchini better if I blend

them too.

So, basically, try to introduce some vegetables like carrots,

asparagus (really boiled and blended), and if you havent been

blending them, you might want to try the green beans blended. Those

have done the best for us so far. If the blended veggies are

unappealing to your child, then you can disguise them as a sauce for

the meats/fish, etc.

-

I'm at a loss for what new foods to introduce. He's got a good

variety of meats, so that's a dead end. I'm kind of afraid of the

vegetables now, spinach because of the oxylates, and everything else

because it's up a level. I'd like to give it another week before I

add fruit. I guess I'll try goat yogurt, then maybe mushrooms.

Thank you again for all your help Sheila. I wish I were smarter, so I

wouldn't have to trouble you so much.

Wayne

Charlie's dad (ASD w/yeast) SCD 9/3/2007

[Guest guest]

Thanks . He doesn't go for the vegetable sauces well, but I

guess I could do soup. It's starting to cool off so that's a little

less crazy now. Sheila suggested I pass on the green beans, so I

think I'll lay off on them for a while, but very cooked and pureed

asparagus or zucchini might work in some chicken stock.

Thanks again,

Wayne

Charlie's dad, age 3, ASD and yeast, SCD 3-sep-2007

>

> I find that if I peal carrots and then boil them for 4 hours and then

> blend them, that I tolerate them a lot better. I also boil green

> beans for 30-40 minutes and then blend them. My husband has issues

> with zucchini because of the salicylates/fenols, so you might want to

> be careful with them. I find that I digest zucchini better if I blend

> them too.

>

> So, basically, try to introduce some vegetables like carrots,

> asparagus (really boiled and blended), and if you havent been

> blending them, you might want to try the green beans blended. Those

> have done the best for us so far. If the blended veggies are

> unappealing to your child, then you can disguise them as a sauce for

> the meats/fish, etc.

>

> -

>

>

>

> I'm at a loss for what new foods to introduce. He's got a good

> variety of meats, so that's a dead end. I'm kind of afraid of the

> vegetables now, spinach because of the oxylates, and everything else

> because it's up a level. I'd like to give it another week before I

> add fruit. I guess I'll try goat yogurt, then maybe mushrooms.

>

> Thank you again for all your help Sheila. I wish I were smarter, so I

> wouldn't have to trouble you so much.

>

> Wayne

> Charlie's dad (ASD w/yeast) SCD 9/3/2007

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne,

<<Thank you for the advice, Sheila. After I wrote yesterday's

message,> I realized how dumb it sounded, so I didn't give him any

green beans,> today. I gave him a bit of zucchini today instead.

That seems to be> working better from a poop perspective. You

suggested to leave the> green beans out " a good long while " . I'm

guessing that means a month> or more.

>

> I'm at a loss for what new foods to introduce. He's got a good

> variety of meats, so that's a dead end. I'm kind of afraid of the

> vegetables now, spinach because of the oxylates, and everything else

> because it's up a level. I'd like to give it another week before I

> add fruit. I guess I'll try goat yogurt, then maybe mushrooms.

>

> Thank you again for all your help Sheila. I wish I were smarter,

so I> wouldn't have to trouble you so much.>>

I eat cooked spinach with some OJ or fresh pineapple juice for the

iron content. OJ helps oxalates pass out through urine.

http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/CJN.00800306v1

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50980.php

Cooked peeled zucchini or (deseeded) cucumber are good choices, you

can steam or cook them and mash or put in burgers, meatloaf etc..

(you'll want to press out water.)

Cooked winter sqaush: hubbard, acorn, buttercup, butternut etc..

I sometimes steam lettuce and saute it with olive oil and a little

garlic.

You could probably try some steamed/boiled asparagus tips.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry Sheila,

I didn't notice this post until today. Maybe I should be using email

instead of Yahoo for this stuff. There's a lot of good information in

here.

Thanks again for all your help.

Wayne

Charlie's dad, ASD w/yeast, SCD 9/3/2007

> I eat cooked spinach with some OJ or fresh pineapple juice for the

> iron content. OJ helps oxalates pass out through urine.

> http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/CJN.00800306v1

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50980.php

>

> Cooked peeled zucchini or (deseeded) cucumber are good choices, you

> can steam or cook them and mash or put in burgers, meatloaf etc..

> (you'll want to press out water.)

> Cooked winter sqaush: hubbard, acorn, buttercup, butternut etc..

> I sometimes steam lettuce and saute it with olive oil and a little

> garlic.

>

> You could probably try some steamed/boiled asparagus tips.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>