Re: to Debs re: Lap proceedures

[Guest guest]

Debs,

I agree about laproscopic surgery. In mine, the doctor dropped my GB sac and

the stones spilled inside me and on the operating room floor. It states (the

medical records) he had to go " root around " to find them. He also stated that I

was so " grossly obese " he couldn't visualize the organs. Then why man didn't you

cut me and do it right! After I woke up in recovery I was in such terrible

agonizing pain that the doctor " allowed " me to stay there for 3 hours. At which

point he booted me out and told me to go home. I kept telling him I was not

doing well. He told me to find another way to manage my pain and gave me Ultram.

The nurse that helped me get up and dressed was the first to tell me that I had

complications during surgery and that I should insist to go to a hospital. I

was half drugged still, in so much pain and needing to get home to my son that I

didn't listen. But then again, the surgeon was telling me I was fine and well

to go home. Why should the nurse know any different. And no, the surgeon did

NOT tell me of the complications during surgery. I found that out later after I

ordered all the reports. So off to home I went and suffered for 2 weeks! The

surgeon said that the pain med he'd ordered should have been helping the pain

and I wasn't co-operating and managing it well enough and that there was nothing

more he could do for me. I kept suffering with this pain but was basically told

it was my problem. The surgery was a success!

After 3 months of still having pain and nausea and other problems, the surgeon

released me back to my PCP because he did all he could do and whatever was wrong

with me, he wasn't willing to look further into it. I waited another year

before I got to Stanford and was diagnosed. It is assumed I was having a

pancreatic attack after surgery and during all that year but that because I was

34, overweight and a non-drinker, the symptoms were dismissed! It couldn't

possibly be pancreatitis. Should have seen the look on a GI's face when I went

to him telling him what I had and he wouldn't believe me only to be sent

paperwork a year later confirming what I knew to be wrong with me. I do not

allow him to be my doctor in the hospital when admitted now. I am under the

care of a general doctor who communicated with UCSF for my treatment. I had

also had other problems with that same GI who told me there was nothing wrong

with me other than the fact that I was a bored lonely housewife looking for

attention! It didn't matter that I was hospitalized with CT scans showing an

enlarged pancreas and A & L levels raised. I was faking it in his opinion.

Okay...sorry for the long drawn out story. My point is, I do believe that if the

surgeon didn't do a a lap procedure on me and send me home the same day, I would

probably not be Chronic at this point. And my husbands Aunt now tells me that

the state of Pennsylvania DOES NOT allow Lap procedure patients to be sent home

that same day anymore. Too many complications. I know many, many people with no

GB. And all of them that have had the lap way have major problems. All that

have the big scar are fine. Sounds like more than coincidence to me. Wish

they'd have given me the big scar. Sometimes technology isn't all it's cracked

up to be!

Thanks for letting me ramble.

Sandy in Ca

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Hi

I had my gall bladder remobved laprascopically. I would never do that

again. They know so little about these laprascopic surgeries and they

are prone to complications . Alas I found that out afterwards. Altho

they straight cut takes longer to heal, I beleive I would not have the

problems I have now ha dI had that surgery.

Debs

NZ]

[Guest guest]

I have often thought if I could just go back to before my lap chole

surgery I could save myself from all the misery I have now!! The

surgeon said that I had so many adhesions from an appendectomy that I

had as a child (probably 20 years earlier) that he had to " dig " to get

to the gallbladder to get it removed. I never had pancreas problems

or even knew what SOD meant until after my gallbladder surgery. I so

wish now that I had done it the old fashioned way even with 6 weeks of

recovery. It might would have saved me a lifetime of pain.

I warn everyone I know that is about to embark upon lap surgery. Of

course no one has listened to me yet. They only hear what I did at

the time.... " outpatient and back to work in only a couple of days " .

What a rip off!!!!!!!!

Zoie

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I will say that after I had my Gallbladder removed I ended up with

Pancreatitis after a while but about 4 to 6 months after the procedure I ended

up with

pain and sick. I was in and out of the Hospital for about 2 to 3 years, I

mean I was in the Hospital for 2 weeks or more sometimes a month went home and

a couple days later I was back in the Hospital, this went on for a while until

the GI said I don't know and sent me somewhere else and when they didn't

know I was sent somewhere else until the Big boys the Doctors that dealt with

pancreatitis all the time said what I had. They said I would have been better

if it was caught earlier and what not. Well needless to say I have had it for

8 or 9 years now and I am pretty bad. Not to mention this week has been

really bad. I strongly believe that if I never got that procedure that I would

have been fine and I would be ok. The doctors say that there is a remote chance

that you can get the disease if you get the GB Surgery but they should really

tell the truth because I mean just look at this group a lot of us have this

disease because of the surgery. So the Doctors are basically DINKS when it

comes to it. I think that when they tell you about the surgery and the

complications and risks they should stress this part of the disease because I

can

honestly say that if I knew that I would be like this today I would have never

signed on for this. I have to take medication all the time I am on chronic

narcotics for the rest of my life and if I don't have then I get sick to the

point where I can get physically sick. I don't have a regular life, Ioose a lot

of my jobs because I end up sick and in the hospital and everyone says I am

sorry but we don't need you, I am sorry to say but everyone here knows the

story. I can't even have a normal life with my son and my wife and family. I

can't plan a trip because I never know when the monster will pop his head up

and

say hello I am back and I am here to stay. So in closing I would honestly

say that if I knew that this all would happened I would say NO, Sorry HELL NO,

I would have said let me live like that with that and see what happened not

gone the way I did. I hope that this will open someone's eyes and see that the

Surgery is not always needed and try and do what you can so you don't end up

like me or other people on this site. I am sorry to be so negative but this

is what life is and what I go through everyday and night and specially when

you are in the ER that is another story but anyway MY CHOICE would be HELL

NO. Sorry to be so long but that is the truth so before you say let's do it

think about it and then think again and think one more time and when you are

about to make your decision seek another Doctor that you trust.

Thanks for Listening,,

Your Friend with the disease the MONSTER PANCREATITIS

Gio

[Guest guest]

My experience too....My mother had her gallbladder out the " old-

fashioned " way, and she hasn't had a single problem. Me...the lap

chol way and nothing but misery!!!!More than a coincidence I say...

Kris in TN