Newbie with a few questions

[Guest guest]

Hi! My name is Kim and my son Henry is 7.5. He has been GFCF (and

soy, refined sugar, peas, corn, chocolate free) for about 3 years.

We are getting ready to start SCD. He doesn't get much potato at all

but is a rice and manioc fiend! So I think we may need to wean him

onto the SCD diet. We are lucky that he eats a fair # of veggies

already but the only fruit he eats (and even that is begrudgingly) is

banana (I use apple/pear sauce in baking and he doesn't know it). I

recently began allowing him a small amount (a few spoonfuls) of

sheep's milk yogurt (with honey) that we get direct from a small farm

and he seems fine (it has only been a few days -- he claimed not to

like it the first day but since then has enjoyed it). I emailed them

about how long they ferment and the probiotic strains used and am

waiting to hear back. They also sometimes sell sheep's milk so we

could buy that and make yogurt (I am sensitive to goat's milk as well

as cow so I prefer trying sheep with him) -- if they ferment a long

time with legal strains of probiotic is this a reasonable alternative

(hoping they are better than commercial operations)? -- if not, I will

make my own.

I was reading about the intro diet and was wondering if a child

already eats some of the veg. etc. that are introduced later, if it is

ok to keep those in even at the very beginning? For example, he eats

lots of broccoli and asparagus now.

I see the biggest challenges for us being a bread for lunch at school

(or figuring out other things he can take) and various snack things to

take to school, since his usual lunch is a cashew butter sandwich on

rice bread with apple juice and his snacks are rice based crackers

(the school is, fortunately, on board with special diets and will make

sure he only eats what I send in). He also loves Chebe bread mixes

which obviously are illegal. I am going to get baking this week!

Glad to be here and excited about starting SCD with Henry.

Also, if anyone has great SCD resources in the NYC area I would love

to hear about them.

Thanks,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, Kim!

Your son can do the SCDiet without many fruits, but you'll probably

find his tastes change the longer he is on the diet.

I know you're waiting for an answer from the farmer who makes the

yogurt, but right now I would consider the purchased yogurt illegal.

To be legal, SCD yogurt must have legal probiotics and must be

fermented at 100-110F for 24-30 hours. I would be very surprised if

the farm yogurt was fermented for that length of time.

Better results are achieved when you start with the intro diet

If you keep in the broccoli, you may not see the kind of results that

you would if you started with the intro and then added foods one at a

time.

If you do the intro diet and then add foods one at a time, there is

not much baking you can be doing this week. Nut butters and nut

flours are not beginner foods. There is a nut-free bread recipe in

the files that you could make right after the intro (if you use

carrots for the veg, then you could actually use it on the intro):

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

Here are school lunch ideas:

http://www.geocities.com/scd_post/recipes.html

If you search the archives here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/messages

you can also find discussions of what to send to school in the early

weeks of the diet.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Kim,

<<Hi! My name is Kim and my son Henry is 7.5. He has been GFCF (and

> soy, refined sugar, peas, corn, chocolate free) for about 3 years.

> We are getting ready to start SCD. He doesn't get much potato at all

> but is a rice and manioc fiend! So I think we may need to wean him

> onto the SCD diet. We are lucky that he eats a fair # of veggies

> already but the only fruit he eats (and even that is begrudgingly)

is> banana (I use apple/pear sauce in baking and he doesn't know

it). I> recently began allowing him a small amount (a few spoonfuls)

of> sheep's milk yogurt (with honey) that we get direct from a small

farm> and he seems fine (it has only been a few days -- he claimed

not to> like it the first day but since then has enjoyed it). I

emailed them> about how long they ferment and the probiotic strains

used and am> waiting to hear back. They also sometimes sell sheep's

milk so we> could buy that and make yogurt (I am sensitive to goat's

milk as well> as cow so I prefer trying sheep with him) -- if they

ferment a long> time with legal strains of probiotic is this a

reasonable alternative> (hoping they are better than commercial

operations)? -- if not, I will> make my own. >>

If they followed the same directions that Elaine laid out for making

yogurt (heating, followed by cooling , adding the proper bacteria

cultures, fermenting for 24-29 hours at the correct temperatures...)

it may be fine.

If their yogurt isn't fermented properly, but they have the correct

strains (see next paragraph) and no illegals you may be able to use

their yogurt as yogurt starter to make your own 24 hr yogurt.

If you are able to buy their sheep milk you can make yogurt with this

by using the correct yogurt starters. It must have both

Streptococcus thermophilus and Lactobacillus bulgaricus. You can

also have L. acdiophilus or L. casei but no other bacterial strains.

There are some legal starters at

http://pecanbread.com/new/yogurt1.html#start

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/yog_st

arters.htm

<<I was reading about the intro diet and was wondering if a child

> already eats some of the veg. etc. that are introduced later, if it

is> ok to keep those in even at the very beginning? For example, he

eats> lots of broccoli and asparagus now. >>

We generally recommend starting with the intro diet and then

gradually adding in food, especially for those with active bowel

symptoms. However, if you don't have active bowel smyptoms and your

child will not eat the easier to digest foods you can start with

harder to digest but legal foods. I strongly suggest avoiding the

dried fruits though at the very beginning.

<<I see the biggest challenges for us being a bread for lunch at

school> (or figuring out other things he can take) and various snack

things to> take to school, since his usual lunch is a cashew butter

sandwich on> rice bread with apple juice and his snacks are rice

based crackers> (the school is, fortunately, on board with special

diets and will make> sure he only eats what I send in). He also

loves Chebe bread mixes> which obviously are illegal. I am going to

get baking this week!>

> Glad to be here and excited about starting SCD with Henry.>>

There are great recipes (including breads) at

http://pecanbread.com/new/recipes1.html

http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes.html

http://uclbs.org/recipes/

<<Also, if anyone has great SCD resources in the NYC area I would

love to hear about them.>>

Brooklyn, NY: http://www.digestivewellness.com/

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD

mom of and