Foods and stages....long, confusing post.....

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody,

I'm having trouble getting my head around the idea of moving from

stage to stage as far as foods are concerned...

Jess has been SCD for over 4 months (2 months prior to that but I

wasn't following it correctly). So my problem is that she's not

eating a wide enough range of foods. I am having some difficulties

getting her to tolerate new foods and we've got this gritty poo

issue at the moment which will hopefully be fixed soon.

Okay I'll try and explain what I don't get, I apologise if this

sounds fragmented and vague.....

If Jess is eating all the foods in Stage 1, and maybe 3 or 4 from

stage 2 CAN I move her onto stage 3 foods without having tried a

really wide variety of stage 2 foods?? Its just that there are a

lot of foods on the lists that A)I don't think I will ever really

buy or serve, AND B)I don't think she will like.........So, is it

okay to just jump to the ones that I would like her to be eating

(readily available, in season, etc.)??

AND when we eventually get to eating raw fruits and vegetables and

we decide to try a new RAW fruit or vegetable that was never tried

as the COOKED version, do we have to go back and try it cooked

before we eat the raw version???? Does that make sense?? Do we

have to have a certain amount of foods from a particular

stage " under our belt " before moving to the next stage?

I know the food stages thing is to be used as a guide only, but i've

really been perplexed by introductions of new foods and symptoms of

intolerances of new foods since I started this diet. I just don't

really get it.

Also, bowel movements aside, can I determine that if 's

behaviour is normal, her sleep is normal, there's no red rashes

anywhere, no red ears, lips or anything else that she IS tolerating

a new food?? I have tried using her nappies to determine tolerances

and there seems to be no way of telling using this method (they're

usually loose-ish but can sometimes be firm but can sometimes be

liquidy even when I haven't changed a thing) and she pretty much

never reacts in any of the ways I mentioned above. And I've tried

the food diary - it just wasn't showing up anything.

Anyway I hope somebody can make sense of this post, its way past my

bedtime so thats probably why it might sound a little crazy.

Again, thanks in advance,

Mum to (3yrs, NT) and (18mths, GDD & Autistic traits)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<<I'm having trouble getting my head around the idea of moving from

> stage to stage as far as foods are concerned...

> Jess has been SCD for over 4 months (2 months prior to that but I

> wasn't following it correctly). So my problem is that she's not

> eating a wide enough range of foods. I am having some difficulties

> getting her to tolerate new foods and we've got this gritty poo

> issue at the moment which will hopefully be fixed soon.

> Okay I'll try and explain what I don't get, I apologise if this

> sounds fragmented and vague.....

> If Jess is eating all the foods in Stage 1, and maybe 3 or 4 from

> stage 2 CAN I move her onto stage 3 foods without having tried a

> really wide variety of stage 2 foods?? Its just that there are a

> lot of foods on the lists that A)I don't think I will ever really

> buy or serve, AND B)I don't think she will like.........So, is it

> okay to just jump to the ones that I would like her to be eating

> (readily available, in season, etc.)??>>

Once she gets the illegals and their after effects cleared out her

stools should start forming again and the smell should subside.

Continuing the probiotic (just a little more slowly) should help.

Mimi suggested the yogurt starting at 1/8 tsp - I think the yogurt is

a good idea especially since you are alrady using the S. boulardii.

It may take a while for her body to adjust to the increase in

probiotics. Once the stools start to clear up, she's sleeping

better etc.. if she is doing well with some " stage 2 " foods then

cautiousily try a little of stage 3 foods.

<<AND when we eventually get to eating raw fruits and vegetables and

> we decide to try a new RAW fruit or vegetable that was never tried

> as the COOKED version, do we have to go back and try it cooked

> before we eat the raw version????>>

No. But all raw food is not equal. Some are more fibrous than

others so start each one with a small amount in case she reacts.

<<Does that make sense?? Do we

> have to have a certain amount of foods from a particular

> stage " under our belt " before moving to the next stage?>>

No.

<<I know the food stages thing is to be used as a guide only, but

i've > really been perplexed by introductions of new foods and

symptoms of intolerances of new foods since I started this diet. I

just don't really get it. Also, bowel movements aside, can I

determine that if 's > behaviour is normal, her sleep is

normal, there's no red rashes > anywhere, no red ears, lips or

anything else that she IS tolerating > a new food??>>

Yes, and bowels formed once again.

Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Shiela,

Thankyou for your replies to both posts. I will go back to half a

capsule of L.acidophilus for now I think. Maybe there's too much

going on in there with the S.boulaardis for her body to handle.

If I manage to get it all under control a bit more and we start

having formed bm's again and I'm not in the process of introducing

anything new - what would be the reason for sudden loose stools?

This is what always throws me off. I get her settled onto some

foods and she tolerates them fine, then all of the sudden 2 weeks

later her stools are mushy and have visible undigested bits of food

in them. I never know whats going on so at that point i panic and I

don't want to introduce any more new foods and thats why her foods

are so limited. And like I said before its only her stools that

seem to be varying. Generally her behaviour is fine, she never

comes out in a rash or anything like that. The only thing that

seems to change is her sleep. She's really all over the place with

how well she sleeps. Should I use THAT as a guide?

Also, should I maybe be blending her food up more rather than just

mashing it? Would that help her digest it better? I used to do it

like that all the time but she's now 19 months old and doesn't know

how to chew (in her defense she's only JUST cut her chewing teeth)

because of all this mushy food I'm giving her.

I really want to try and get her onto goat yogurt but i just can't

seem to find a stockist of fresh goat milk. The closest thing is

one type thats sold at my local supermarket but I think its been

pasteurised etc. and I read somewhere that it really works best if

its absolutely fresh. I live in Melbourne, Australia and I can't

get my hands on a yogurt maker either. I haven't seen them anywhere

and I can't order from oversees because of the electricity

conversion problem.

Anyway sorry for rambling once again,

Thanks,

Mum to (3yrs, NT) and (18mths, GDD & Autistic Traits)

>

> Hi ,

>

>

> <<I'm having trouble getting my head around the idea of moving

from

> > stage to stage as far as foods are concerned...

> > Jess has been SCD for over 4 months (2 months prior to that but

I

> > wasn't following it correctly). So my problem is that she's not

> > eating a wide enough range of foods. I am having some

difficulties

> > getting her to tolerate new foods and we've got this gritty poo

> > issue at the moment which will hopefully be fixed soon.

> > Okay I'll try and explain what I don't get, I apologise if this

> > sounds fragmented and vague.....

> > If Jess is eating all the foods in Stage 1, and maybe 3 or 4

from

> > stage 2 CAN I move her onto stage 3 foods without having tried a

> > really wide variety of stage 2 foods?? Its just that there are

a

> > lot of foods on the lists that A)I don't think I will ever

really

> > buy or serve, AND B)I don't think she will like.........So, is

it

> > okay to just jump to the ones that I would like her to be eating

> > (readily available, in season, etc.)??>>

>

> Once she gets the illegals and their after effects cleared out her

> stools should start forming again and the smell should subside.

> Continuing the probiotic (just a little more slowly) should help.

> Mimi suggested the yogurt starting at 1/8 tsp - I think the yogurt

is

> a good idea especially since you are alrady using the S.

boulardii.

> It may take a while for her body to adjust to the increase in

> probiotics. Once the stools start to clear up, she's sleeping

> better etc.. if she is doing well with some " stage 2 " foods then

> cautiousily try a little of stage 3 foods.

>

>

> <<AND when we eventually get to eating raw fruits and vegetables

and

> > we decide to try a new RAW fruit or vegetable that was never

tried

> > as the COOKED version, do we have to go back and try it cooked

> > before we eat the raw version????>>

>

> No. But all raw food is not equal. Some are more fibrous than

> others so start each one with a small amount in case she reacts.

>

>

> <<Does that make sense?? Do we

> > have to have a certain amount of foods from a particular

> > stage " under our belt " before moving to the next stage?>>

>

> No.

>

>

> <<I know the food stages thing is to be used as a guide only, but

> i've > really been perplexed by introductions of new foods and

> symptoms of intolerances of new foods since I started this diet.

I

> just don't really get it. Also, bowel movements aside, can I

> determine that if 's > behaviour is normal, her sleep is

> normal, there's no red rashes > anywhere, no red ears, lips or

> anything else that she IS tolerating > a new food??>>

>

> Yes, and bowels formed once again.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

That is so weird, I though I was the only one who did this. I just came up

with it because I didn't want to buy a yogurt maker. I used a heating pad set

on low placed under a sm. ice chest, I put about 3-4 " of 100F water in the

ice chest and put my jars of yogurt in the chest. I then put the lid on it

and wrapped the whole thing in a towel. I placed my digital therm. into the

bath to monitor the temp. The yogurt turned out really good. I did this

along time ago before I knew about 24 hr. yogurt. When I tried making the 24

yogurt I decided to do it in my dehydrator instead of my make-shift way but it

came out very watery. So now I'm going to go back and try making the 24 hr.

yogurt using this method and see if it comes out better.

Doreen MC 2 1/2 yrs, SCD 6wks.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<<Thankyou for your replies to both posts. I will go back to half a

> capsule of L.acidophilus for now I think. Maybe there's too much

> going on in there with the S.boulaardis for her body to handle.>>

Epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help with this.

<<If I manage to get it all under control a bit more and we start

> having formed bm's again and I'm not in the process of introducing

> anything new - what would be the reason for sudden loose stools?

> This is what always throws me off. >>

Hard to say. Let us know the next time it happens and we can try to

figure out what is going on.

<<I get her settled onto some

> foods and she tolerates them fine, then all of the sudden 2 weeks

> later her stools are mushy and have visible undigested bits of food

> in them. I never know whats going on so at that point i panic and

I

> don't want to introduce any more new foods and thats why her foods

> are so limited. And like I said before its only her stools that

> seem to be varying. Generally her behaviour is fine, she never

> comes out in a rash or anything like that. The only thing that

> seems to change is her sleep. She's really all over the place with

> how well she sleeps. Should I use THAT as a guide?>>

Sleep and her stools.

<<Also, should I maybe be blending her food up more rather than just

> mashing it? Would that help her digest it better? I used to do it

> like that all the time but she's now 19 months old and doesn't know

>how to chew (in her defense she's only JUST cut her chewing teeth)>>

Blending her food is a great idea. Many children even older ones

don't chew well. If her digestion is where it needs to be some of

these larger pieces may pass through her bowels and feed some of the

nasties you want to starve out.

<< I really want to try and get her onto goat yogurt but i just can't

> seem to find a stockist of fresh goat milk. The closest thing is

> one type thats sold at my local supermarket but I think its been

> pasteurised etc. and I read somewhere that it really works best if

> its absolutely fresh.>>

Fresh may have the best texture but pasteurized will still work and

it will provide lots of good bacteria, nutients, enzymes etc...

<<I live in Melbourne, Australia and I can't

> get my hands on a yogurt maker either. I haven't seen them

anywhere and I can't order from oversees because of the electricity

> conversion problem.

> Anyway sorry for rambling once again,

> Thanks,

>

> Mum to (3yrs, NT) and (18mths, GDD & Autistic

Traits)>>

I use a heating pad and a container(with a lid) partially filled with

water. I find that this makes the best yogurt. The water and

heating pad hold the yogurt at a constant temperature. The yogurt

has a fantastic texture.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am in NZ and I bought the yogurt maker from Progurt Australia. It

can only make 1 litre each time. You can browse their website and

find out. Hope this help.

Lina

Mum of Clarice Belle, 3y 2 mth, ASD, SCD June 07

>

> Hi ,

>

> <<Thankyou for your replies to both posts. I will go back to half

a

> > capsule of L.acidophilus for now I think. Maybe there's too much

> > going on in there with the S.boulaardis for her body to handle.>>

>

> Epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help with this.

>

>

> <<If I manage to get it all under control a bit more and we start

> > having formed bm's again and I'm not in the process of

introducing

> > anything new - what would be the reason for sudden loose stools?

> > This is what always throws me off. >>

>

> Hard to say. Let us know the next time it happens and we can try

to

> figure out what is going on.

>

>

>

> <<I get her settled onto some

> > foods and she tolerates them fine, then all of the sudden 2 weeks

> > later her stools are mushy and have visible undigested bits of

food

> > in them. I never know whats going on so at that point i panic

and

> I

> > don't want to introduce any more new foods and thats why her

foods

> > are so limited. And like I said before its only her stools that

> > seem to be varying. Generally her behaviour is fine, she never

> > comes out in a rash or anything like that. The only thing that

> > seems to change is her sleep. She's really all over the place

with

> > how well she sleeps. Should I use THAT as a guide?>>

>

>

> Sleep and her stools.

>

>

> <<Also, should I maybe be blending her food up more rather than

just

> > mashing it? Would that help her digest it better? I used to do

it

> > like that all the time but she's now 19 months old and doesn't

know

> >how to chew (in her defense she's only JUST cut her chewing teeth)

>>

>

> Blending her food is a great idea. Many children even older ones

> don't chew well. If her digestion is where it needs to be some of

> these larger pieces may pass through her bowels and feed some of

the

> nasties you want to starve out.

>

>

>

> << I really want to try and get her onto goat yogurt but i just

can't

> > seem to find a stockist of fresh goat milk. The closest thing is

> > one type thats sold at my local supermarket but I think its been

> > pasteurised etc. and I read somewhere that it really works best

if

> > its absolutely fresh.>>

>

> Fresh may have the best texture but pasteurized will still work and

> it will provide lots of good bacteria, nutients, enzymes etc...

>

>

> <<I live in Melbourne, Australia and I can't

> > get my hands on a yogurt maker either. I haven't seen them

> anywhere and I can't order from oversees because of the electricity

> > conversion problem.

>

> > Anyway sorry for rambling once again,

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mum to (3yrs, NT) and (18mths, GDD & Autistic

> Traits)>>

>

>

> I use a heating pad and a container(with a lid) partially filled

with

> water. I find that this makes the best yogurt. The water and

> heating pad hold the yogurt at a constant temperature. The yogurt

> has a fantastic texture.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>