Reflux, Phenols, and PROGRESS!

[Guest guest]

My NT 18 mo. old has been on the diet for going on 8 days. Before

SCD, she was burping up a lot of her milk (rice milk)- and appeared

to have reflux again as she did as a newborn. After starting SCD it

disappeared, only to reappear again the past couple of days....

She is only eating chicken, turkey burger, and buffalo burger (only

boiled meats so far),carrots,green beans, eggs, bananas, and baked

apples and pears. I did not notice anything until the apples and

pears were introduced. Can reflux be a symptom to high phenol

foods?

AND good news!

My 34 mo. old ASD little guy is still banana crazed, but I've

mananged to sneak in veggies and even chicken into his banana shakes

now.

He is pretty much non-verbal, but he signed " More " (for bananas of

course) for the first time EVER!!

At what point may I add in baked pumpkin and acorn squash? We're

getting a little desperate for more variety.

Thank you!

Tonja

At what

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on the progress!

I don't know if that's a reaction to phenols. Pears are very, very

low in phenols. You could try to cook the pears and apples more by

steaming and/or making sauce. I think the baking technique leaves

these still quite firm--especially the apples.

mom to -12

SCd 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

-Oh I forgot to add that my 18mo. old is also eating the homemade

gelatin made with Welch's grape juice. She also has a little

extrememly watered down grape juice (75% water).

I don't think I'm undercooking the pears or apples. I cook the apples

in water at about 350 degrees for a couple hours in the oven (peeled

and cut)until they are complete mush. I just smoosh a fork on them,

and they turn into applesauce (same with the pears).

Thanks!

Tonja

>

> You could try to cook the pears and apples more by

> steaming and/or making sauce. I think the baking technique leaves

> these still quite firm--especially the apples.

>

[Guest guest]

I am very intolerant to salicylates (phenols) and amines. Grapes are

very high in salicylates - I avoid grape juice entirely. Apples can

be high, too. Golden Delicious are the lowest on the scale. As

suggested earlier, making a pear/apple sauce instead of baking might

be to your advantage. Just as with your diluting the grape juice, the

addition of water for the sauce will lessen the amount of phenols.

Is your daughter amine intolerant? If so, cooking foods increases the

amine content.

Tara

CD - 25yrs/ileostomy - 15yrs

salicylate/amine intolerant

SCD since 11/06

>

> -Oh I forgot to add that my 18mo. old is also eating the homemade

> gelatin made with Welch's grape juice. She also has a little

> extrememly watered down grape juice (75% water).

>

> I don't think I'm undercooking the pears or apples. I cook the apples

> in water at about 350 degrees for a couple hours in the oven (peeled

> and cut)until they are complete mush. I just smoosh a fork on them,

> and they turn into applesauce (same with the pears).

>

> Thanks!

> Tonja

> >

> > You could try to cook the pears and apples more by

> > steaming and/or making sauce. I think the baking technique leaves

> > these still quite firm--especially the apples.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tonja,

Not that this may be any help, but I wanted to share our similar

story. Our 30 month old was " diagnosed " with reflux at a few months

of age and was on Zantac for it before this diet. She vomited any

and all hints of dairy since birth. (Made nursing impossible, but

yet I did.) It wasn't always consistant, so we didn't realize this

until about 9 months old. (I guess it depended upon what I ate.) We

eliminated dairy, which helped greatly, but she'd still vomit at

times. Come to find she does the same with berries (all but blue),

oranges and pineapple. I'm not sure what those foods contain that

bother her.

We started this diet 11 months ago and it has been the biggest

help! All of her docs and therapists have truly noticed a huge

difference. The biggest gain we noticed is when she started the

homemade goat yogurt! She wasn't talking at all, and over about 4

months, she's now saying 4-5 word sentences! I've witnessed this

diet work in ASD kids and wish you and your little ones the best of

luck. Everyone asks what's wrong with our little girl. (She's 20

lbs and 2 1/2 years old.) She's been through every test you could

imagine and no one knows. But, I'm just happy with knowing that

something is really helping.

I know this didn't address your concern, but hoped our story might

help in some way.

I haven't found a parent with a child like mine.

We were advised to start avocado and squash early on. (Avocado for

all the good fat.) To this day, our daughter eats avocado with every

meal--even in a shake--with banana, of course!

Good luck to you!

Cheryl

Mother of Dorthia-30 months (SCD 01/07), Alysson-5 1/2 (Sugar-

free/modified SCD)

>

> My NT 18 mo. old has been on the diet for going on 8 days. Before

> SCD, she was burping up a lot of her milk (rice milk)- and appeared

> to have reflux again as she did as a newborn. After starting SCD

it

> disappeared, only to reappear again the past couple of days....

>

> She is only eating chicken, turkey burger, and buffalo burger (only

> boiled meats so far),carrots,green beans, eggs, bananas, and baked

> apples and pears. I did not notice anything until the apples and

> pears were introduced. Can reflux be a symptom to high phenol

> foods?

>

> AND good news!

>

> My 34 mo. old ASD little guy is still banana crazed, but I've

> mananged to sneak in veggies and even chicken into his banana

shakes

> now.

>

> He is pretty much non-verbal, but he signed " More " (for bananas of

> course) for the first time EVER!!

>

> At what point may I add in baked pumpkin and acorn squash? We're

> getting a little desperate for more variety.

>

> Thank you!

> Tonja

>

> At what

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tonya,

Well, then, since the change began with the addition of apples and

pears, try pulling them to see if things improve. You can add in one

again later to find out which is is. Be sure to try new foods in small

amounts and increase gradually.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04