Question about SCD Legal Dairy

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Diane

I'm new to SCD - and you've been on it for two years - do you feel that SCD

has benefited your son?

Cherie

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My son, who just turned 9, has been on the diet for well over 2 years. The

entire time we were on what some call the modified scd for kids who are on

the spectrum. By modified I just mean we weren't giving him any of the

legal dairy (butter, cheese, etc.). After a recent clean CDSA and just

several months of him doing well overall, we decided to give legal cheeses

and butter a try. He's missed them so much (especially cheese) and I'd

heard of others who have kids on the spectrum using them successfully. We

began to let him have a couple of the legal cheeses and butter and for 2

weeks he was fine. It was the beginning of the third week that we started

noticing some negative changes. For the past week he's been noticeably

anxious and impatient, becoming upset easily and crying over little things.

We haven't made any other changes and I'm confident they're being diligent

about food at school. I expected that if we would see any negative reaction

to these foods that it would be almost immediate. Does it make sense that

it took two weeks to start seeing a reaction? We are taking those foods out

starting today but I was just wondering if it made sense that it took two

weeks or is it just like everything else; different for everyone.

Thanks,

Diane

[Guest guest]

How do you make your homemade ghee? I'm all up for that rather than

spending $8 bucks for a little jar at Jimbos..

Cherie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

Did you start with with cow cheeses or goat cheeses. The goat

cheeses are easier to digest and are the dairy " of choice " for most

families on this group.

Butter will have a tiny amount of cow dairy unless you use ghee.

It may have taken a couple of weeks before seeing a cumulative

effect.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

<<< My son, who just turned 9, has been on the diet for well over 2

years. The

> entire time we were on what some call the modified scd for kids

who are on> the spectrum. By modified I just mean we weren't giving

him any of the

> legal dairy (butter, cheese, etc.). After a recent clean CDSA and

just

> several months of him doing well overall, we decided to give legal

cheeses> and butter a try.... It was the beginning of the third week

that we started

> noticing some negative changes. For the past week he's been

noticeably

> anxious and impatient, becoming upset easily and crying over

little things.

> We haven't made any other changes and I'm confident they're being

diligent

> about food at school. I expected that if we would see any

negative reaction

> to these foods that it would be almost immediate. Does it make

sense that

> it took two weeks to start seeing a reaction? We are taking those

foods out

> starting today but I was just wondering if it made sense that it

took two

> weeks or is it just like everything else; different for everyone.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

The short answer is yes, but you can read my reply to the 'Ready To Quit'

post for more details. Maybe you just missed it but you also replied to

that same post. So take a look at my reply if you haven't already.

Diane

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of ccmohr@...

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:18 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Diane

I'm new to SCD - and you've been on it for two years - do you feel that SCD

has benefited your son?

Cherie

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Sheila,

We’ve used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a little bit

different taste than butter and he doesn’t really like it, so it was actual

butter that we recently starting trying. Also, we were using the cheeses

with cow’s milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from Elaine, she said

it didn’t matter. I know that parent’s of kids on the spectrum tend to do

things with a little more caution, though, and not being on the list lately,

I didn’t know that goat cheeses were considered a better choice. Are there

a variety of goat cheeses? When I’ve looked at the store I believe I

usually just see packages that simply say ‘goat cheese.’ If you know of

some particular common goat cheeses I’d appreciate you sharing the names of

some. Once we get him back to normal we may try goat cheese in the future.

Thanks,

Diane

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Sheila Trenholm

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:33 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Hi Diane,

Did you start with with cow cheeses or goat cheeses. The goat

cheeses are easier to digest and are the dairy " of choice " for most

families on this group.

Butter will have a tiny amount of cow dairy unless you use ghee.

It may have taken a couple of weeks before seeing a cumulative

effect.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

<<< My son, who just turned 9, has been on the diet for well over 2

years. The

> entire time we were on what some call the modified scd for kids

who are on> the spectrum. By modified I just mean we weren't giving

him any of the

> legal dairy (butter, cheese, etc.). After a recent clean CDSA and

just

> several months of him doing well overall, we decided to give legal

cheeses> and butter a try.... It was the beginning of the third week

that we started

> noticing some negative changes. For the past week he's been

noticeably

> anxious and impatient, becoming upset easily and crying over

little things.

> We haven't made any other changes and I'm confident they're being

diligent

> about food at school. I expected that if we would see any

negative reaction

> to these foods that it would be almost immediate. Does it make

sense that

> it took two weeks to start seeing a reaction? We are taking those

foods out

> starting today but I was just wondering if it made sense that it

took two

> weeks or is it just like everything else; different for everyone.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

Diane -- I have seen goat's milk butter in our whole foods as well.

We are not anywhere near ready to try it yet but you might keep your

eyes out for it as something to check on (to see if it is legal and

how it tastes). Kim

>

> Sheila,

>

>

>

> We've used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a

little bit

> different taste than butter and he doesn't really like it, so it

was actual

> butter that we recently starting trying. Also, we were using the

cheeses

> with cow's milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from Elaine,

she said

> it didn't matter. I know that parent's of kids on the spectrum

tend to do

> things with a little more caution, though, and not being on the

list lately,

> I didn't know that goat cheeses were considered a better choice.

Are there

> a variety of goat cheeses? When I've looked at the store I believe

I

> usually just see packages that simply say `goat cheese.' If you

know of

> some particular common goat cheeses I'd appreciate you sharing the

names of

> some. Once we get him back to normal we may try goat cheese in the

future.

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: pecanbread

[mailto:pecanbread ] On

> Behalf Of Sheila Trenholm

> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:33 PM

> To: pecanbread

> Subject: Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

>

>

>

> Hi Diane,

>

> Did you start with with cow cheeses or goat cheeses. The goat

> cheeses are easier to digest and are the dairy " of choice " for most

> families on this group.

>

> Butter will have a tiny amount of cow dairy unless you use ghee.

>

> It may have taken a couple of weeks before seeing a cumulative

> effect.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

> <<< My son, who just turned 9, has been on the diet for well over 2

> years. The

> > entire time we were on what some call the modified scd for kids

> who are on> the spectrum. By modified I just mean we weren't giving

> him any of the

> > legal dairy (butter, cheese, etc.). After a recent clean CDSA and

> just

> > several months of him doing well overall, we decided to give

legal

> cheeses> and butter a try.... It was the beginning of the third

week

> that we started

> > noticing some negative changes. For the past week he's been

> noticeably

> > anxious and impatient, becoming upset easily and crying over

> little things.

> > We haven't made any other changes and I'm confident they're being

> diligent

> > about food at school. I expected that if we would see any

> negative reaction

> > to these foods that it would be almost immediate. Does it make

> sense that

> > it took two weeks to start seeing a reaction? We are taking those

> foods out

> > starting today but I was just wondering if it made sense that it

> took two

> > weeks or is it just like everything else; different for everyone.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Diane

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Diane,

I find that when I make my own ghee from butter at home, it tastes

exactly like butter. When I buy the ghee in the store, it has that

different smell and taste.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Hi, Diane,

Here is a link for buying goat cheddar:

http://www.buygoatcheese.com/

Recently at the Trader Joe's near me I saw goat gouda.

If a cheese is simply labeled " goat cheese " it is probably a soft

cheese (chevre) and is illegal.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Thanks for the recipe !!!

Cherie

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ccmohr@... wrote: How do you make your homemade ghee? I'm all up

for that rather than

spending $8 bucks for a little jar at Jimbos..

Cherie

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Kim and for the info.

I didn’t even know there was a cheddar style goat cheese. I’ll keep it in

mind.

Diane

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of julie46250

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:06 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Hi, Diane,

Here is a link for buying goat cheddar:

http://www.buygoatc <http://www.buygoatcheese.com/> heese.com/

Recently at the Trader Joe's near me I saw goat gouda.

If a cheese is simply labeled " goat cheese " it is probably a soft

cheese (chevre) and is illegal.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Hi, Cherie,

I use this recipe posted by Grammy Bauer:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/5045

I don't know why it has to stay in the oven that long after it has been

melted, but I've just always followed the directions because I was

afraid to use cow dairy and mess with the instructions.

My tips: use a narrow glass jar with staight sides where the opening

is just about as wide as the jar itself. I use the jars from store-

bought ghee or from Kalamata olives. The narrower the jar and the

nearest the opening matches the size of the jar itself, the easier it

will be to scrape out the white foam that you find floating on top when

you take it out of the oven. The filter will catch any foam you can't

get. If you filter it through cheesecloth, be sure to fold the

cheesecloth over a couple of times to have several layers. Cheesecloth

can be purchased in supermarkets. It's usually with the

pots/pans/utensils. Stop pouring before you get to the white stuff

(milk solids) on the bottom of your jar. Don't let them get into your

filtered jar of ghee. Throw the milk solids away.

Here's a somewhat simpler method posted by Marjan.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/533

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Just wanted to let you know that you can also buy Goats's Milk Butter. They

sell it my health food store, Jimbo''s.

Doreen

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[Guest guest]

>>I find that when I make my own ghee from butter at home, it tastes

exactly like butter. When I buy the ghee in the store, it has that

different smell and taste.

<<

Can you share your recipe for making Ghee? When I have made this I try to

strain it and it takes forever and the butter starts solidifying before it

finishes. Also do you let it brown while making it? That is what my recipe

tells me to do.

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Hi Diane,

>

> Sheila,

> We've used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a

little bit> different taste than butter and he doesn't really like

it, so it was actual> butter that we recently starting trying.

Also, we were using the cheeses

> with cow's milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from

Elaine, she said> it didn't matter. I know that parent's of kids on

the spectrum tend to do> things with a little more caution, though,

and not being on the list lately,> I didn't know that goat cheeses

were considered a better choice. Are there> a variety of goat

cheeses?>>>>>

I have seen goat cheddar and goat brie at my local grocery store.

Depending on where you live you may be able to get even more

variety. If you start with a goat or sheep cheese do avoid the

fresh cheeses. The fresh cheeses are not aged sufficiently and most

don't have a bacterial culture added to digest the lactose.

<<<< When I've looked at the store I believe I

> usually just see packages that simply say `goat cheese.' If you

know of> some particular common goat cheeses I'd appreciate you

sharing the names of> some. Once we get him back to normal we may

try goat cheese in the future.>>>>

If it just says goat cheese it is likely to be the soft unripened

cheese that is illegal. The best goat cheeses to start with would

be the types of cheeses that are " use freely " (as per the Cheese

appendix in BTVC): Brick goat cheese, goat Cheddar (mild or medium

to start with), goat colby, goat gruyere, goat havarti.

Goat yogurt is also easier to digest than cow yogurt.

Ghee does taste a bit different than regular butter. It is pretty

easy to make at home. I find that if I let the temperature get to

high the taste of the ghee was nuttier tasting.

If you are able to find goat cream you can make goat butter or goat

ghee. The goat butter will have smaller proteins than cow butter.

If you make cultured butter it will change the shape of the (small )

amounts of proteins that are in butter - making it easier to

digest. A third option is to make ghee from cultured butter. I

did this when I was very reactive.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

I posted links here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/72224

Sometimes it does get a brown crust on top which I remove; sometimes it

doesn't. The cheesecloth I buy comes doubled over and I cut a square

of it and then fold that twice more; it comes out somewhat bigger than

the opening of the jar I will pour the melted butter into. After

removing a lot of the foam with a spoon, I pour through the cheesecloth

a little at a time and keep pouring more as it drips through until I

see the white at the bottom coming close to the edge and then I stop

and discard the rest. The ghee in jar #2 looks beautifully golden

yellow with no white or brown after it passes through the cheesecloth.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

That bring me to a question. Does it really matt

Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Hi Diane,

>

> Sheila,

> We've used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a

little bit> different taste than butter and he doesn't really like

it, so it was actual> butter that we recently starting trying.

Also, we were using the cheeses

> with cow's milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from

Elaine, she said> it didn't matter. I know that parent's of kids on

the spectrum tend to do> things with a little more caution, though,

and not being on the list lately,> I didn't know that goat cheeses

were considered a better choice. Are there> a variety of goat

cheeses?>>>>>

I have seen goat cheddar and goat brie at my local grocery store.

Depending on where you live you may be able to get even more

variety. If you start with a goat or sheep cheese do avoid the

fresh cheeses. The fresh cheeses are not aged sufficiently and most

don't have a bacterial culture added to digest the lactose.

<<<< When I've looked at the store I believe I

> usually just see packages that simply say `goat cheese.' If you

know of> some particular common goat cheeses I'd appreciate you

sharing the names of> some. Once we get him back to normal we may

try goat cheese in the future.>>>>

If it just says goat cheese it is likely to be the soft unripened

cheese that is illegal. The best goat cheeses to start with would

be the types of cheeses that are " use freely " (as per the Cheese

appendix in BTVC): Brick goat cheese, goat Cheddar (mild or medium

to start with), goat colby, goat gruyere, goat havarti.

Goat yogurt is also easier to digest than cow yogurt.

Ghee does taste a bit different than regular butter. It is pretty

easy to make at home. I find that if I let the temperature get to

high the taste of the ghee was nuttier tasting.

If you are able to find goat cream you can make goat butter or goat

ghee. The goat butter will have smaller proteins than cow butter.

If you make cultured butter it will change the shape of the (small )

amounts of proteins that are in butter - making it easier to

digest. A third option is to make ghee from cultured butter. I

did this when I was very reactive.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Does it really matter whether you use a certain brand of cow butter to make the

ghee. Is there a problem or tendency for problems with the cheaper brands of

butter?

Bonita

Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Hi Diane,

>

> Sheila,

> We've used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a

little bit> different taste than butter and he doesn't really like

it, so it was actual> butter that we recently starting trying.

Also, we were using the cheeses

> with cow's milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from

Elaine, she said> it didn't matter. I know that parent's of kids on

the spectrum tend to do> things with a little more caution, though,

and not being on the list lately,> I didn't know that goat cheeses

were considered a better choice. Are there> a variety of goat

cheeses?>>>>>

I have seen goat cheddar and goat brie at my local grocery store.

Depending on where you live you may be able to get even more

variety. If you start with a goat or sheep cheese do avoid the

fresh cheeses. The fresh cheeses are not aged sufficiently and most

don't have a bacterial culture added to digest the lactose.

<<<< When I've looked at the store I believe I

> usually just see packages that simply say `goat cheese.' If you

know of> some particular common goat cheeses I'd appreciate you

sharing the names of> some. Once we get him back to normal we may

try goat cheese in the future.>>>>

If it just says goat cheese it is likely to be the soft unripened

cheese that is illegal. The best goat cheeses to start with would

be the types of cheeses that are " use freely " (as per the Cheese

appendix in BTVC): Brick goat cheese, goat Cheddar (mild or medium

to start with), goat colby, goat gruyere, goat havarti.

Goat yogurt is also easier to digest than cow yogurt.

Ghee does taste a bit different than regular butter. It is pretty

easy to make at home. I find that if I let the temperature get to

high the taste of the ghee was nuttier tasting.

If you are able to find goat cream you can make goat butter or goat

ghee. The goat butter will have smaller proteins than cow butter.

If you make cultured butter it will change the shape of the (small )

amounts of proteins that are in butter - making it easier to

digest. A third option is to make ghee from cultured butter. I

did this when I was very reactive.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

>

> Does it really matter whether you use a certain brand of cow butter

to make the ghee. Is there a problem or tendency for problems with

the cheaper brands of butter?

>

> Bonita

No. But the ingredients matter. Be sure to look for them. For

regular cow butter, they should say: cream, salt. Or: sweet cream,

salt. I don't know what the ingredients say on cultured butter.

Believe it or not, some butters have other ingredients added. Lactic

acid and annato would be legal additives. to is a vegetable dye;

some people say it makes them hyper.

I also don't think it's really necessary to make the ghee from goat

butter because you're removing the protein and you are left with pure

fat. But then again some people are very sensitive.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonita,

<<<<Does it really matter whether you use a certain brand of cow

butter to make the ghee. Is there a problem or tendency for problems

with the cheaper brands of butter?>>>>

You should ensure that there are no illegals. I have some butters

list natural flavours (illegal), starch, gums etc..

Butter can contain cream and or salt. Cultured butters will have a

bacterial culture added.

Cows/goats that are grain fed, grass fed etc. will each have a

different flavour.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your insight, Shelia. I think I'm clear now on how I should

go about this next time we decide to give it a try.

Diane

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From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Sheila Trenholm

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:59 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Question about SCD Legal Dairy

Hi Diane,

>

> Sheila,

> We've used Ghee in the past but not recently. It does have a

little bit> different taste than butter and he doesn't really like

it, so it was actual> butter that we recently starting trying.

Also, we were using the cheeses

> with cow's milk mainly because in an old posting I saw from

Elaine, she said> it didn't matter. I know that parent's of kids on

the spectrum tend to do> things with a little more caution, though,

and not being on the list lately,> I didn't know that goat cheeses

were considered a better choice. Are there> a variety of goat

cheeses?>>>>>

I have seen goat cheddar and goat brie at my local grocery store.

Depending on where you live you may be able to get even more

variety. If you start with a goat or sheep cheese do avoid the

fresh cheeses. The fresh cheeses are not aged sufficiently and most

don't have a bacterial culture added to digest the lactose.

<<<< When I've looked at the store I believe I

> usually just see packages that simply say `goat cheese.' If you

know of> some particular common goat cheeses I'd appreciate you

sharing the names of> some. Once we get him back to normal we may

try goat cheese in the future.>>>>

If it just says goat cheese it is likely to be the soft unripened

cheese that is illegal. The best goat cheeses to start with would

be the types of cheeses that are " use freely " (as per the Cheese

appendix in BTVC): Brick goat cheese, goat Cheddar (mild or medium

to start with), goat colby, goat gruyere, goat havarti.

Goat yogurt is also easier to digest than cow yogurt.

Ghee does taste a bit different than regular butter. It is pretty

easy to make at home. I find that if I let the temperature get to

high the taste of the ghee was nuttier tasting.

If you are able to find goat cream you can make goat butter or goat

ghee. The goat butter will have smaller proteins than cow butter.

If you make cultured butter it will change the shape of the (small )

amounts of proteins that are in butter - making it easier to

digest. A third option is to make ghee from cultured butter. I

did this when I was very reactive.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and