DMPS, clay bath

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

My son, non-verbal 7-yr old is on SCD for 4 months now and he is still

on DMPS suppository for 3 consecutive days every 2 weeks. I put him on

a month break on it when we started SCD, however due to high level of

mercury toxicity and other heavy metals as well, his consultant advised

to continue with DMPS along with L Glutathione lotion (Kirkman). Is

DMPS SCD legal? (I need to inquire about the ingredient with our

pharmacist). I read something about clay bath as an alternative, is it

SCD legal?

Right now he's into so much regression- very stimmy,twitching at times,

not sleeping well(ave. sleep of 4-5 hours a day), lots of tantrums and

screaming specially in the middle of the night, not eating well, always

congested, bad cough/having cold allergy. He's having formed BM or a

combination of heavy and soft stool at times every 3 to 4 days.

I'm so confused right now and don't know what to do. Need your advice

please.

I'm considering stopping the DMPS right away if it's not allowed.

Thanks,

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

-- In pecanbread , " Lori Sarmiento "

wrote:

>

> My son, non-verbal 7-yr old is on SCD for 4 months now and he is

still > on DMPS suppository for 3 consecutive days every 2 weeks. I

put him on

> a month break on it when we started SCD, however due to high level

of > mercury toxicity and other heavy metals as well, his consultant

advised> to continue with DMPS along with L Glutathione lotion

(Kirkman). Is

> DMPS SCD legal? (I need to inquire about the ingredient with our

> pharmacist). I read something about clay bath as an alternative,

is it

> SCD legal?

>

> Right now he's into so much regression- very stimmy,twitching at

times,

> not sleeping well(ave. sleep of 4-5 hours a day), lots of tantrums

and

> screaming specially in the middle of the night, not eating well,

always

> congested, bad cough/having cold allergy. He's having formed BM or

a

> combination of heavy and soft stool at times every 3 to 4 days.

>

> I'm so confused right now and don't know what to do. Need your

advice

> please.

>

> I'm considering stopping the DMPS right away if it's not allowed.

>

> Thanks,

> Lori>>>>>

Some take a chelating break and have SCD heal the body first so that

it can remove metals on its' own or so that it is better able to

tolerate the rigors of chelating. Chelating can cause some microbes

(especially) yeast to overgrow further - causing symptoms as you

have listed above.

This is from http://www.pecanbread.com/new/aboutscd.html and may

help you decide whether to continue with the chelating or not.

" Why is it important to do SCD while chelating?

Healing the GI tract and getting rid of the intestinal pathogens

restores and enhances the body's ability to detoxify naturally.

Chelating is important as a supportive measure. SCD is the ideal

diet to implement before attempting chelation, since SCD heals Leaky

Gut Syndrome and Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Those conditions are

present in most ASD children and are counterproductive to the

detoxification process. If the two conditions exist in a leaky gut

during chelation, the toxic metals are able to re-enter the blood

stream and other bodily systems. The irritation level of an already

inflamed bowel is only worsened by the presence of toxic metals.

Once heavy metals become mobilized during chelation detox, they can

linger in the bowel for anywhere from six to twenty-four hours (or

sometimes longer) before evacuation takes place. The bowel of a

healthy person may not be as prone to free radical damage, but the

damaged bowel of the toxic patient is a vulnerable area demanding

added concern and monitoring. IMPORTANT NOTE: The use of Vitamin C

will quicken the evacuation of the toxic heavy metals from the body.

The decision to chelate rests with parents. Some will choose not to

chelate and prefer to follow the slow, steady, strengthening path of

SCD, using the above mentioned Vitamin C for a more gentle

detoxification process. "

Also please see

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxic

ity.htm

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Lori, I don't know much about the chelation stuff, having never done it with my

child. But, anything you put on the skin does not directly affect SCD, unless

the child is likely to eat it (lick it off the skin or something??). So the

lotion and the baths are okay. He's not eating the clay while in the bath, is

he?

I don't know about the suppository. It *shouldn't* affect the diet, but I do

know that many other veteran SCDers have said that chelation should wait until

the child has made significant healing progress on SCD.... otherwise, it's

asking a lot of their little bodies to detox all this stuff while at the same

time dealing with die-off from gut pathogens.

Personally, I guess I feel there is such a thing as trying to do too many good

things all at once. Detoxing heavy metals is hard work.

Are you supplementing calcium by any chance? If so, I'd highly recommend you

read Tamaro's work regarding calcium management:

http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

Excess or unmanaged calcium is extremely stimulating to the neuro system... and

is one of the first things I think of when someone reports lots of stimming, not

sleeping, tantrums, etc.

Magnesium can help a lot... but you need to read what she has to say about the

calcium.

Patti

DMPS, clay bath

Hi All,

My son, non-verbal 7-yr old is on SCD for 4 months now and he is still

on DMPS suppository for 3 consecutive days every 2 weeks. I put him on

a month break on it when we started SCD, however due to high level of

mercury toxicity and other heavy metals as well, his consultant advised

to continue with DMPS along with L Glutathione lotion (Kirkman). Is

DMPS SCD legal? (I need to inquire about the ingredient with our

pharmacist). I read something about clay bath as an alternative, is it

SCD legal?

Right now he's into so much regression- very stimmy,twitching at times,

not sleeping well(ave. sleep of 4-5 hours a day), lots of tantrums and

screaming specially in the middle of the night, not eating well, always

congested, bad cough/having cold allergy. He's having formed BM or a

combination of heavy and soft stool at times every 3 to 4 days.

I'm so confused right now and don't know what to do. Need your advice

please.

I'm considering stopping the DMPS right away if it's not allowed.

Thanks,

Lori

[Guest guest]

My son does IV-EDTA with Glutathione and minerals. It works great. My son did

not do well with DMPS until I did EDTA. My son is also 7 years old. The

Kirkman Glutathione, my son could not tolerate. It could be the soy in it. It

could be that.

With any chelation, the stims go with it. Have you ever tried transdermal DMPS

from AMT pharmacy. It is Dr. Buttar's formulation.

You can stop everything he is taking and start over in order to see what is

causing the problem.

To: pecanbread@...: sheilat@...: Wed, 14 Nov 2007

17:32:39 +0000Subject: Re: DMPS, clay bath

Hi Lori,-- In pecanbread , " Lori Sarmiento "

wrote:>> My son, non-verbal 7-yr old is on SCD for 4 months now and he is still

> on DMPS suppository for 3 consecutive days every 2 weeks. I put him on > a

month break on it when we started SCD, however due to high level of > mercury

toxicity and other heavy metals as well, his consultant advised> to continue

with DMPS along with L Glutathione lotion (Kirkman). Is > DMPS SCD legal? (I

need to inquire about the ingredient with our > pharmacist). I read something

about clay bath as an alternative, is it > SCD legal?> > Right now he's into so

much regression- very stimmy,twitching at times, > not sleeping well(ave. sleep

of 4-5 hours a day), lots of tantrums and > screaming specially in the middle of

the night, not eating well, always > congested, bad cough/having cold allergy.

He's having formed BM or a > combination of heavy and soft stool at times every

3 to 4 days. > > I'm so confused right now and don't know what to do. Need your

advice > please.> > I'm considering stopping the DMPS right away if it's not

allowed.> > Thanks,> Lori>>>>>Some take a chelating break and have SCD heal the

body first so that it can remove metals on its' own or so that it is better able

to tolerate the rigors of chelating. Chelating can cause some microbes

(especially) yeast to overgrow further - causing symptoms as you have listed

above. This is from http://www.pecanbread.com/new/aboutscd.html and may help you

decide whether to continue with the chelating or not. " Why is it important to do

SCD while chelating?Healing the GI tract and getting rid of the intestinal

pathogens restores and enhances the body's ability to detoxify naturally.

Chelating is important as a supportive measure. SCD is the ideal diet to

implement before attempting chelation, since SCD heals Leaky Gut Syndrome and

Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Those conditions are present in most ASD children

and are counterproductive to the detoxification process. If the two conditions

exist in a leaky gut during chelation, the toxic metals are able to re-enter the

blood stream and other bodily systems. The irritation level of an already

inflamed bowel is only worsened by the presence of toxic metals. Once heavy

metals become mobilized during chelation detox, they can linger in the bowel for

anywhere from six to twenty-four hours (or sometimes longer) before evacuation

takes place. The bowel of a healthy person may not be as prone to free radical

damage, but the damaged bowel of the toxic patient is a vulnerable area

demanding added concern and monitoring. IMPORTANT NOTE: The use of Vitamin C

will quicken the evacuation of the toxic heavy metals from the body.The decision

to chelate rests with parents. Some will choose not to chelate and prefer to

follow the slow, steady, strengthening path of SCD, using the above mentioned

Vitamin C for a more gentle detoxification process. " Also please see

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicity.htmShei\

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[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Thank you so much for your input. I will refer to it over time as

well as the other inputs to help me come up with a better planning

on how to go from here. I will surely keep him on the diet but this

time with better perspective and not try to do all those good things

(that I thought) all at once. I've browsed over C Tamaro's work on

calcium and would spend time to digest it. And Yes I'm giving my son

1000mg of kirkman calcium with 150mg of magnesium but he's not taking

them for a week now due to resistance from awful taste and I don't

push him a lot this time as he's quite very sick in the past 2 weeks.

Thanks again,

Lori

>

>

>

> Lori, I don't know much about the chelation stuff, having never

done it with my child. But, anything you put on the skin does not

directly affect SCD, unless the child is likely to eat it (lick it

off the skin or something??). So the lotion and the baths are okay.

He's not eating the clay while in the bath, is he?

>

> I don't know about the suppository. It *shouldn't* affect the

diet, but I do know that many other veteran SCDers have said that

chelation should wait until the child has made significant healing

progress on SCD.... otherwise, it's asking a lot of their little

bodies to detox all this stuff while at the same time dealing with

die-off from gut pathogens.

>

> Personally, I guess I feel there is such a thing as trying to do

too many good things all at once. Detoxing heavy metals is hard work.

>

> Are you supplementing calcium by any chance? If so, I'd highly

recommend you read Tamaro's work regarding calcium

management:

>

> http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

>

> Excess or unmanaged calcium is extremely stimulating to the neuro

system... and is one of the first things I think of when someone

reports lots of stimming, not sleeping, tantrums, etc.

>

> Magnesium can help a lot... but you need to read what she has to

say about the calcium.

>

> Patti

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks a lot for your input-something to guide me in my plan to put

off my son's chelation soon.

Lori

>

> Hi Lori,

>

> Some take a chelating break and have SCD heal the body first so

that

> it can remove metals on its' own or so that it is better able to

> tolerate the rigors of chelating. Chelating can cause some

microbes

> (especially) yeast to overgrow further - causing symptoms as you

> have listed above.

>

>

> This is from http://www.pecanbread.com/new/aboutscd.html and may

> help you decide whether to continue with the chelating or not.

>

> " Why is it important to do SCD while chelating?

>

> Healing the GI tract and getting rid of the intestinal pathogens

> restores and enhances the body's ability to detoxify naturally.

> Chelating is important as a supportive measure. SCD is the ideal

> diet to implement before attempting chelation, since SCD heals

Leaky

> Gut Syndrome and Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Those conditions are

> present in most ASD children and are counterproductive to the

> detoxification process. If the two conditions exist in a leaky gut

> during chelation, the toxic metals are able to re-enter the blood

> stream and other bodily systems. The irritation level of an already

> inflamed bowel is only worsened by the presence of toxic metals.

> Once heavy metals become mobilized during chelation detox, they can

> linger in the bowel for anywhere from six to twenty-four hours (or

> sometimes longer) before evacuation takes place. The bowel of a

> healthy person may not be as prone to free radical damage, but the

> damaged bowel of the toxic patient is a vulnerable area demanding

> added concern and monitoring. IMPORTANT NOTE: The use of Vitamin C

> will quicken the evacuation of the toxic heavy metals from the body.

>

> The decision to chelate rests with parents. Some will choose not to

> chelate and prefer to follow the slow, steady, strengthening path

of

> SCD, using the above mentioned Vitamin C for a more gentle

> detoxification process. "

>

> Also please see

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxic

> ity.htm

>

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathrina,

Great to hear from you about your success on chelation. I would love

to hear more from you again. For now I will try my best to focus

first on the diet to make him healthy first. He's very fragile and is

just 35 lbs and even lower if he gets very sick and not eating much.

Thanks again,

Lori

>

>

> My son does IV-EDTA with Glutathione and minerals. It works

great. My son did not do well with DMPS until I did EDTA. My son is

also 7 years old. The Kirkman Glutathione, my son could not

tolerate. It could be the soy in it. It could be that.

>

> With any chelation, the stims go with it. Have you ever tried

transdermal DMPS from AMT pharmacy. It is Dr. Buttar's formulation.

>

> You can stop everything he is taking and start over in order to see

what is causing the problem.