Help again- diarrhea worse

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We are on day 35 of the diet. Both of my kids (alomost 3 year old

with ASD and NT 19 mo old) have terrible loose poo again. It happens

anywhere from 1-4 times a day. They are both also very gassy. When

we started SCD we had NO poo issues...

What is going on? They are not getting any illegals. They eat a

good deal of chicken, eggs, turkey, and bananas. Plus a little 40/60

grape/water juice. (We also do some but not much carrots and

pineapple). I pulled the SCD legal probiotic over 2 weeks ago.

They both seem to be intolerant to pumpkin, butternut squash, and

even possibly acorn squash. We were doing a LOT of squash. If

squash was a big problem, does it take a bit to recover? It's been 2

days without any squash and they are still REALLY having problems.

I am feeling so lost and frustrated :-(

Phenols are also looking like an issue with both kids. I'm seeing

red ears, circles under the eyes, and difficulty falling asleep also.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

Tonja

Mom to 3yr old with ASD and 19 mo old NT.

SCD Day 35

[Guest guest]

For us, bananas do not work. They cause my son to have

diarrhea. If you pulled the squash and increased the

bananas, that could happen.

Bananas to my knowledge feed yeast far more than

squashes. What makes you think they are intolerant to

squash?

BTVC cautions against using eggs when diarrhea is

present.

Also, what kinds of meats do you use? I was using

ground turkey and it had illegals in it. I did not

realize it until later.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

--- Evenstar wrote:

> Hi,

>

> We are on day 35 of the diet. Both of my kids

> (alomost 3 year old

> with ASD and NT 19 mo old) have terrible loose poo

> again. It happens

> anywhere from 1-4 times a day. They are both also

> very gassy. When

> we started SCD we had NO poo issues...

>

> What is going on? They are not getting any

> illegals. They eat a

> good deal of chicken, eggs, turkey, and bananas.

> Plus a little 40/60

> grape/water juice. (We also do some but not much

> carrots and

> pineapple). I pulled the SCD legal probiotic over 2

> weeks ago.

> They both seem to be intolerant to pumpkin,

> butternut squash, and

> even possibly acorn squash. We were doing a LOT of

> squash. If

> squash was a big problem, does it take a bit to

> recover? It's been 2

> days without any squash and they are still REALLY

> having problems.

> I am feeling so lost and frustrated :-(

>

> Phenols are also looking like an issue with both

> kids. I'm seeing

> red ears, circles under the eyes, and difficulty

> falling asleep also.

>

> Any help would be much appreciated.

> Thank you!

>

> Tonja

> Mom to 3yr old with ASD and 19 mo old NT.

> SCD Day 35

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My daughter has a confirmed IGG allergy to cantaloupe, which is in

the same family as squash, pumkin, etc. She always protested

anything from that family, and now we know why. She also won't eat

carrots. (She loves broccoli, brussel sprouts, artichokes and

asparagus but has an IGG to cabbage, and will eat cauliflower if

nothing else is offered). I have an IGG allergy to string beans, so

we try to stay clear of that. I guess that leaves us with zuccini -

which she often won't eat and spinach, which has no carbs in it.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

MAry

SCD (as far as grains, but doing broccoli and brussel sprouts even

though we should be in stage 1) goal is to get rid of loose poops

Week 2

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > We are on day 35 of the diet. Both of my kids

> > (alomost 3 year old

> > with ASD and NT 19 mo old) have terrible loose poo

> > again. It happens

> > anywhere from 1-4 times a day. They are both also

> > very gassy. When

> > we started SCD we had NO poo issues...

> >

> > What is going on? They are not getting any

> > illegals. They eat a

> > good deal of chicken, eggs, turkey, and bananas.

> > Plus a little 40/60

> > grape/water juice. (We also do some but not much

> > carrots and

> > pineapple). I pulled the SCD legal probiotic over 2

> > weeks ago.

> > They both seem to be intolerant to pumpkin,

> > butternut squash, and

> > even possibly acorn squash. We were doing a LOT of

> > squash. If

> > squash was a big problem, does it take a bit to

> > recover? It's been 2

> > days without any squash and they are still REALLY

> > having problems.

> > I am feeling so lost and frustrated :-(

> >

> > Phenols are also looking like an issue with both

> > kids. I'm seeing

> > red ears, circles under the eyes, and difficulty

> > falling asleep also.

> >

> > Any help would be much appreciated.

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Tonja

> > Mom to 3yr old with ASD and 19 mo old NT.

> > SCD Day 35

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Without bananas I'm afraid that my son will starve. And I mean that

seriously.

He did not appear to have a problem with bananas, as they were the

first thing we added after the intro diet.

We did not start having poo problems until I added the SCD legal

probiotic from GI health. But like I said it's been stopped for

over 2 weeks.

Diarrhea associated with squash is apparent, because it happens

within hours of the squash, and in the case of the pumpkin, you

could still SEE the pumpkin (from legal pumpkin pie).

My ground turkey is safe, I've checked and double checked my meats.

I only get it from Whole Foods, and there are no additives,

hormones, or antibiotics used. As a prior vegan I'm ultra paranoid

about meat quality.

I saw BTVC cautions eggs with diarrhea...but then what do I feed

him?? He eats the nut free/dairy free bread, and banana pancakes

every morning! (with eggs and bananas)

I'm afraid he'll starve, he's skinny, we've fought for every

pound...and he's VERY fussy. (He really really misses his baked

treats from pre-SCD days....they were GFCF)

My 19 mo old is much less fussy, but having the same issues. She is

also quite small. (Being SCD did clear her reflux though!!)

Thanks,

Tonja

Mom to almost 3 yr old with ASD and 19 mo old NT

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Have you made zucchini spaghetti noodles? My son loves them

stir-fried in olive oil with garlic.

Boiled spinach has 3.4 grams of carbs per half cup.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

My daughter won't touch zuccini as of lunch today. Oh well.

Will try to get some spinach to see what happens with that.

Mom to -4

SCD 11/12/07 (that's when we had our last grains, but we are still

struggling to implement the intro diet)

>

> Hi, ,

> Have you made zucchini spaghetti noodles? My son loves them

> stir-fried in olive oil with garlic.

> Boiled spinach has 3.4 grams of carbs per half cup.

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Gee, that's too bad. Is it the texture of steamed zucchini that

troubles her? The noodles have a better texture. You might try just

one; use a vegetable peeler and make strips down to the seeds. Then

stir-fry.

When giving spinach, it is a good idea to add some vitamin C (food or

supplement) as Sheila suggests.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Hi Tonja,

It is possible that your daughter is going through a die off reaction.

The probiotic

might have started it. When you took out the squash there was even

less food for the gut bugs

so the die off increased.

Try using activated charcoal, if your child improves, then you will be

more sure that it is die off.

Die off reactions might last for 10 days or more. If things do not

improve after 3 weeks then get the help of a SCD counselor.

What are all the symptoms that your children have?

Any manufactured foods?

Supplements?

Chelation?

Mimi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> We are on day 35 of the diet. Both of my kids (alomost 3 year old

> with ASD and NT 19 mo old) have terrible loose poo again. It happens

> anywhere from 1-4 times a day. They are both also very gassy. When

> we started SCD we had NO poo issues...

>

> What is going on? They are not getting any illegals. They eat a

> good deal of chicken, eggs, turkey, and bananas. Plus a little 40/60

> grape/water juice. (We also do some but not much carrots and

> pineapple). I pulled the SCD legal probiotic over 2 weeks ago.

> They both seem to be intolerant to pumpkin, butternut squash, and

> even possibly acorn squash. We were doing a LOT of squash. If

> squash was a big problem, does it take a bit to recover? It's been 2

> days without any squash and they are still REALLY having problems.

> I am feeling so lost and frustrated :-(

>

> Phenols are also looking like an issue with both kids. I'm seeing

> red ears, circles under the eyes, and difficulty falling asleep also.

>

> Any help would be much appreciated.

> Thank you!

>

> Tonja

> Mom to 3yr old with ASD and 19 mo old NT.

> SCD Day 35

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Mimi, thank you so much for replying!

I am near tears, I am at my wits end for what I'm doing wrong. My

poor 19 mo old daughter has a bright red bottom, and she's potty

trained! The poo is like acid as it comes out. I'm afraid she'll

get dehydrated, she won't drink the electrolyte solution. But she

is drinking water and eating lots of jello.

She gets no supplements besides the zyme prime and peptizyde which

she has been on for months. She did get one dose of probiotic a

couple weeks ago when my little guy fed his sis his probiotic banana

shake! I did forget to add that she was getting 2 tablespoons of

goat yogurt a day, but we'd cut that out for the last couple of days

for her also. (We'd worked up from a 1/8tsp. and she'd never had a

problem).

I cut out squash, eggs, and Welch's grape juice.

All my kids had to eat today was

-lots of jello (1/2 apple cider- totally pure no additives/ 1/2

water, tiny bit of honey)

-ground turkey made into balls and boiled

-chicken from chicken soup with a couple tiny baby carrots- all

boiled for 4 hours.

-water

My little guy (almost 3, ASD)takes the zyme prime, peptizyde (for

over 3 months) and he takes the GI prohealth, pro-child vitamin, but

only a 1/2 dose. His diarrhea has only been a couple times a day,

and today he had no bm, just lots and lots of gas.

The juice (Welch's) is the only manufactured product...the ground

turkey is no additive from Whole Foods. No spices except organic,

pure cinnamon (served with the pumpkin) and sea salt.

We do no chelation here.

My daughter has reflux (although that disappeared after a week on

SCD), and she was showing some signs of regression after her 15

month shots. (That also stopped with the addition of the goat

yogurt.) The diarrhea is new and not something we've ever dealt

with in her history.

My son is ASD. He had diarrhea on and off since he was 7 mo old

until we went gluten free in Feb 2007. Since then he was doing

good, unless he got cross contaminated by playing with someone/thing

that had touched gluten. (He is WAY sensitive). When we started

SCD there were no poo issues. He developed dirrhea on again off

again after the week on SCDophilus. But that has been stopped for

over 2 weeks. Yesterday was bad.

Again thank you, and sorry for the length!

Tonja

RSD self

Mom to almost 3 yr old with ASD, and 19 mo old NT

all digestive probs, all SCD day 36.

>

> Hi Tonja,

>

> It is possible that your daughter is going through a die off

reaction.

> The probiotic

> might have started it. When you took out the squash there was even

> less food for the gut bugs

> so the die off increased.

>

> Try using activated charcoal, if your child improves, then you

will be

> more sure that it is die off.

> Die off reactions might last for 10 days or more. If things do not

> improve after 3 weeks then get the help of a SCD counselor.

>

> What are all the symptoms that your children have?

> Any manufactured foods?

> Supplements?

> Chelation?

>

> Mimi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Tonja,

> >

> > It is possible that your daughter is going through a die off

> reaction.

> > The probiotic

> > might have started it. When you took out the squash there was

even

> > less food for the gut bugs

> > so the die off increased.

> >

> > Try using activated charcoal, if your child improves, then you

> will be

> > more sure that it is die off.

> > Die off reactions might last for 10 days or more. If things do

not

> > improve after 3 weeks then get the help of a SCD counselor.

> >

> > What are all the symptoms that your children have?

> > Any manufactured foods?

> > Supplements?

> > Chelation?

> >

> > Mimi

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tonja,

One of my kids also had diarrhea during his initial die off symptoms.

The symptoms went away by themselves and he does very well with the

diet now. I might be tempted to take away the vitamins

until the issue resolves.

Your son seems to be improving, the diarrhea is being replaced by

constipation. C is a milder

symptom than D.

What kind of Welch's grapefruit juice are you using?

Green tea, activated charcoal and Epsom salt baths might help the die

off symptoms

Maybe someone else has another insight.....

Hang in there, you will soon have a better outcome.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Mimi and !

We are using the Welch's purple grape juice. I have taken it out of

their diet for 2 days, I'm holding it suspect right now! I read

white grape can be easier on them??

I've made some epsom salt lotion, so hopefully that will help.

I'm going to go looking for the activated charcoal.

I'm also wondering if my 19 mo old has a touch of the rotavirus...

Thank you so much!

Tonja (RSD self)

Mom to almost 3 yr old, ASD and 19 mo old NT

all SCD 37 days

>

> Hi Tonja,

>

> One of my kids also had diarrhea during his initial die off

symptoms.

> The symptoms went away by themselves and he does very well with the

> diet now. I might be tempted to take away the vitamins

> until the issue resolves.

> Your son seems to be improving, the diarrhea is being replaced by

> constipation. C is a milder

> symptom than D.

>

> What kind of Welch's grapefruit juice are you using?

> Green tea, activated charcoal and Epsom salt baths might help the

die

> off symptoms

>

> Maybe someone else has another insight.....

>

> Hang in there, you will soon have a better outcome.

>

> Mimi

>