SCD son pulled out of snacktime at school, is this the best we can come up with?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is 3. All is going

well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the diet was for his

infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report that instead of

every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2 days, like clockwork!

In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very pleased at this point!!

However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just sending his

snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead of simple snacks

for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled doughnuts (more

than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same snacktime!). Of

course, the teacher had to go around the table with the dozen

doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of course) which

doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this, and watched my

son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which was ok, but his

eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut tray go all around

the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick a doughnut.

I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or, as mentioned

earlier, they will have other food that he would love to eat, and has

to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was there when they

had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites), there he was with

his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want it, wanted what

he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The teacher was

trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved from observer to

intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult for him to have

to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this point? I asked

him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and he quickly

said " Yes! "

I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it after, and she

at first wanted to find the common (easy) denominator for all the

kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas, but the next time

we talked she changed her mind and said that some of the kids in the

group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can respect that. I

don't know what the other children's issues are, and it may be true

that that is the case. But at the same time, this is really hard for

my son, he's only 3!

So, our solution to try next is to take my son out of the room at

snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the gross motor room.

(or do something else within the classroom)(where he can eat his SCD

snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the one-on-one PT

time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things that make that a

bad solution.

I've begun a little here and there to explain " special diet " that

certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still think the

exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too much for him.

Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping, gingerbread

cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty hard to send

comparable snacks from home.

So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have done with a child

this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to have snack with

the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate that it's really

hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the diet.

Sincerely,

CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech disorder, seizure

disorder. SCD 10/20/07

[Guest guest]

Wow, , that sounds like an impossible

situation. I myself would be upset that they are

giving the kids so much junk food. They are little

kids. For a little kid, eating a donut would be the

equivalent of an adult eating three donuts if you're

going by weight. At my son's first preschool, it was

like yours except they gave the kids sugary cereal and

candy! My son would have gummy bear and jelly bean

remnants in his teeth.I would not be OK with that even

if I was not on a special diet. You can't be the only

parent with those concerns, I'd think. In my

neighborhood though I probably am. LOL.

Are there any other parents concerned about the

snacks? Maybe not all the parents are aware of what

the kids are eating. Many schools organize a snack

club and everyone takes turns bringing healthy things.

At my son's second preschool parents were only allowed

to bring 100 percent fruit juices, fruit, or animal

crackers. At the very least if the other kids are

eating fruit or something comparable, it would make it

easier on your son.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

--- wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is

> 3. All is going

> well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the

> diet was for his

> infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report

> that instead of

> every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2

> days, like clockwork!

> In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very

> pleased at this point!!

>

> However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just

> sending his

> snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead

> of simple snacks

> for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled

> doughnuts (more

> than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same

> snacktime!). Of

> course, the teacher had to go around the table with

> the dozen

> doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of

> course) which

> doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this,

> and watched my

> son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which

> was ok, but his

> eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut

> tray go all around

> the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick

> a doughnut.

>

> I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or,

> as mentioned

> earlier, they will have other food that he would

> love to eat, and has

> to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was

> there when they

> had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites),

> there he was with

> his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want

> it, wanted what

> he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The

> teacher was

> trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved

> from observer to

> intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult

> for him to have

> to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this

> point? I asked

> him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and

> he quickly

> said " Yes! "

>

> I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it

> after, and she

> at first wanted to find the common (easy)

> denominator for all the

> kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas,

> but the next time

> we talked she changed her mind and said that some of

> the kids in the

> group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can

> respect that. I

> don't know what the other children's issues are, and

> it may be true

> that that is the case. But at the same time, this

> is really hard for

> my son, he's only 3!

>

> So, our solution to try next is to take my son out

> of the room at

> snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the

> gross motor room.

> (or do something else within the classroom)(where he

> can eat his SCD

> snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the

> one-on-one PT

> time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things

> that make that a

> bad solution.

>

> I've begun a little here and there to explain

> " special diet " that

> certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still

> think the

> exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too

> much for him.

> Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping,

> gingerbread

> cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty

> hard to send

> comparable snacks from home.

>

> So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have

> done with a child

> this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to

> have snack with

> the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate

> that it's really

> hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the

> diet.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech

> disorder, seizure

> disorder. SCD 10/20/07

>

>

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Hi CJ,

I'm so sad that school can't be more helpful in coming up with a

solution that works well for your son. My daughter is now 19 and it

seems like things have not really changed much since she was in

preschool. So many teachers just don't know or don't want to

accomodate and celebrate the differences in kids. They seem to want

to just treat them all the same. I don't think this is fair to the

typical kids, but it can often be a disaster for kids with special

needs. Their situations just don't allow them the flexibility that

their peers often have.

If I can offer some advice, it would be to make the school

responsible and accountable for your son's education. Empower them to

come up with solutions. I was a near constant fixture in my

daughter's classroom when she was young and often chose to " fix "

problems myself. What I realized after many, many years was that it

was seldom appreciated and often resented. Worst of all, I started

to burn out.

I have heard from other Moms that schools often don't understand and

don't take our kids special diets seriously and don't get how

critical they can be to their functioning and health. I agree, too,

that doughnuts aren't healthful for any of the kids.

If the teacher truly can't come up with a snack plan that will work

for your son, she should be able to come up an activity he can do

that he will truly enjoy doing during that time. Make sure they do

it for him. He deserves it.

All the best,

Sharon

PS - Great news about the bm's!!

>

> Hi all,

>

> We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is 3. All is going

> well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the diet was for

his

> infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report that instead of

> every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2 days, like

clockwork!

> In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very pleased at this

point!!

>

> However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just sending his

> snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead of simple

snacks

> for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled doughnuts (more

> than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same snacktime!). Of

> course, the teacher had to go around the table with the dozen

> doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of course) which

> doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this, and watched my

> son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which was ok, but his

> eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut tray go all around

> the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick a doughnut.

>

> I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or, as mentioned

> earlier, they will have other food that he would love to eat, and

has

> to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was there when

they

> had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites), there he was

with

> his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want it, wanted what

> he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The teacher was

> trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved from observer to

> intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult for him to

have

> to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this point? I asked

> him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and he quickly

> said " Yes! "

>

> I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it after, and she

> at first wanted to find the common (easy) denominator for all the

> kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas, but the next

time

> we talked she changed her mind and said that some of the kids in

the

> group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can respect that.

I

> don't know what the other children's issues are, and it may be true

> that that is the case. But at the same time, this is really hard

for

> my son, he's only 3!

>

> So, our solution to try next is to take my son out of the room at

> snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the gross motor room.

> (or do something else within the classroom)(where he can eat his

SCD

> snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the one-on-one PT

> time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things that make that

a

> bad solution.

>

> I've begun a little here and there to explain " special diet " that

> certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still think the

> exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too much for him.

> Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping, gingerbread

> cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty hard to send

> comparable snacks from home.

>

> So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have done with a child

> this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to have snack

with

> the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate that it's really

> hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the diet.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech disorder,

seizure

> disorder. SCD 10/20/07

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I couldn't agree with you more! I am surprised at what they are

feeding the kids. Especially special needs kids, to which a healthy

diet can really help in so many cases. I guess they aren't reading

up on how diet plays such an important role. Too bad. Well, I

printed out a bunch of stuff for the teacher about this diet, hope

she read it. ;-)

At my son's schools, and this is the second, (third teacher), my son

seems to be the only one with the crazy diet restrictions. I can't

help but wonder if other kids in his classes would be doing so much

better w/o eating the junk they are eating (atleast in class).

yeah, I wish she would keep it simpler, too. That would be so much

easier!

thanks for your reply,

Cyn

p.s. your blog is very interesting! I've also lived in Illinois and

SoCal, too.(and majored in writing screenplays/film) :-)

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is

> > 3. All is going

> > well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the

> > diet was for his

> > infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report

> > that instead of

> > every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2

> > days, like clockwork!

> > In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very

> > pleased at this point!!

> >

> > However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just

> > sending his

> > snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead

> > of simple snacks

> > for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled

> > doughnuts (more

> > than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same

> > snacktime!). Of

> > course, the teacher had to go around the table with

> > the dozen

> > doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of

> > course) which

> > doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this,

> > and watched my

> > son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which

> > was ok, but his

> > eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut

> > tray go all around

> > the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick

> > a doughnut.

> >

> > I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or,

> > as mentioned

> > earlier, they will have other food that he would

> > love to eat, and has

> > to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was

> > there when they

> > had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites),

> > there he was with

> > his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want

> > it, wanted what

> > he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The

> > teacher was

> > trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved

> > from observer to

> > intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult

> > for him to have

> > to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this

> > point? I asked

> > him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and

> > he quickly

> > said " Yes! "

> >

> > I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it

> > after, and she

> > at first wanted to find the common (easy)

> > denominator for all the

> > kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas,

> > but the next time

> > we talked she changed her mind and said that some of

> > the kids in the

> > group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can

> > respect that. I

> > don't know what the other children's issues are, and

> > it may be true

> > that that is the case. But at the same time, this

> > is really hard for

> > my son, he's only 3!

> >

> > So, our solution to try next is to take my son out

> > of the room at

> > snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the

> > gross motor room.

> > (or do something else within the classroom)(where he

> > can eat his SCD

> > snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the

> > one-on-one PT

> > time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things

> > that make that a

> > bad solution.

> >

> > I've begun a little here and there to explain

> > " special diet " that

> > certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still

> > think the

> > exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too

> > much for him.

> > Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping,

> > gingerbread

> > cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty

> > hard to send

> > comparable snacks from home.

> >

> > So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have

> > done with a child

> > this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to

> > have snack with

> > the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate

> > that it's really

> > hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the

> > diet.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech

> > disorder, seizure

> > disorder. SCD 10/20/07

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Thank you for sharing your experience of the preschool days. No, I

don't suspect much has changed. In fact, as I told his preschool

teacher, I didn't even expect her to have a meeting about how to best

handle the snacktime situation. I certainly don't expect

kindergarten or primary school to do that. Not public ones, where

he'll most likely be, anyway.

I think we will try the special activity, it might work out ok, and

if not, we'll maybe try something else. And who knows, maybe she'll

get tired of getting so creative (or not, depending on how you look

at it) with her snacks, and just starting bringing fruit.

take care,

CJ

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is 3. All is

going

> > well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the diet was for

> his

> > infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report that instead

of

> > every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2 days, like

> clockwork!

> > In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very pleased at this

> point!!

> >

> > However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just sending his

> > snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead of simple

> snacks

> > for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled doughnuts (more

> > than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same snacktime!). Of

> > course, the teacher had to go around the table with the dozen

> > doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of course) which

> > doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this, and watched

my

> > son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which was ok, but

his

> > eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut tray go all

around

> > the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick a doughnut.

> >

> > I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or, as mentioned

> > earlier, they will have other food that he would love to eat, and

> has

> > to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was there when

> they

> > had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites), there he was

> with

> > his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want it, wanted

what

> > he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The teacher was

> > trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved from observer

to

> > intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult for him to

> have

> > to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this point? I

asked

> > him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and he quickly

> > said " Yes! "

> >

> > I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it after, and

she

> > at first wanted to find the common (easy) denominator for all the

> > kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas, but the next

> time

> > we talked she changed her mind and said that some of the kids in

> the

> > group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can respect

that.

> I

> > don't know what the other children's issues are, and it may be

true

> > that that is the case. But at the same time, this is really hard

> for

> > my son, he's only 3!

> >

> > So, our solution to try next is to take my son out of the room at

> > snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the gross motor

room.

> > (or do something else within the classroom)(where he can eat his

> SCD

> > snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the one-on-one PT

> > time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things that make

that

> a

> > bad solution.

> >

> > I've begun a little here and there to explain " special diet " that

> > certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still think the

> > exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too much for

him.

> > Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping, gingerbread

> > cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty hard to send

> > comparable snacks from home.

> >

> > So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have done with a

child

> > this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to have snack

> with

> > the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate that it's

really

> > hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the diet.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech disorder,

> seizure

> > disorder. SCD 10/20/07

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Very cool that we have a lot in common! I hope your

preschool teacher reads the information you gave her.

I found an article in Discover Magazine that talked

about autism and dietary interventions. There's a link

here for anyone interested:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/apr/autism-it2019s-not-just-in-the-head/?search\

term=autism

I think it's great that you're trying to change his

teacher's attitude about diet. I myself am going to

discuss it with my son's teachers the next time we

meet. I'm sure they have noticed a BIG difference.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

--- wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! I am surprised at

> what they are

> feeding the kids. Especially special needs kids, to

> which a healthy

> diet can really help in so many cases. I guess they

> aren't reading

> up on how diet plays such an important role. Too

> bad. Well, I

> printed out a bunch of stuff for the teacher about

> this diet, hope

> she read it. ;-)

>

> At my son's schools, and this is the second, (third

> teacher), my son

> seems to be the only one with the crazy diet

> restrictions. I can't

> help but wonder if other kids in his classes would

> be doing so much

> better w/o eating the junk they are eating (atleast

> in class).

>

> yeah, I wish she would keep it simpler, too. That

> would be so much

> easier!

>

> thanks for your reply,

>

> Cyn

> p.s. your blog is very interesting! I've also lived

> in Illinois and

> SoCal, too.(and majored in writing screenplays/film)

> :-)

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Hi CJ,

At the risk of going against my own advice on letting the school

figure it out themselves, I did come up with an idea after I wrote

you. Since your son is working on his expressive speech, could he

and one or two of his classroom buddies share a snack he can have and

work on some speech goals with one of the staff at that time? I know

finding a space, finding available staff, etc. are always issues, but

I just thought I would offer it as an idea.

If the kids are shown by the staff that your son needs certain foods

to be healthy and it's shown in a positive way, I found that most of

the kids are more than willing to help out. Looking at his diet as

special and cool vs. different and odd is just a mindset. Kids at

this age are so accepting and could be a big help if they're given

the chance.

Take care,

Sharon

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is 3. All is

> going

> > > well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the diet was

for

> > his

> > > infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report that instead

> of

> > > every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2 days, like

> > clockwork!

> > > In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very pleased at this

> > point!!

> > >

> > > However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just sending his

> > > snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead of simple

> > snacks

> > > for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled doughnuts

(more

> > > than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same snacktime!). Of

> > > course, the teacher had to go around the table with the dozen

> > > doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of course) which

> > > doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this, and watched

> my

> > > son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which was ok, but

> his

> > > eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut tray go all

> around

> > > the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick a

doughnut.

> > >

> > > I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or, as

mentioned

> > > earlier, they will have other food that he would love to eat,

and

> > has

> > > to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was there when

> > they

> > > had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites), there he was

> > with

> > > his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want it, wanted

> what

> > > he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The teacher was

> > > trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved from observer

> to

> > > intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult for him to

> > have

> > > to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this point? I

> asked

> > > him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and he quickly

> > > said " Yes! "

> > >

> > > I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it after, and

> she

> > > at first wanted to find the common (easy) denominator for all

the

> > > kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas, but the

next

> > time

> > > we talked she changed her mind and said that some of the kids

in

> > the

> > > group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can respect

> that.

> > I

> > > don't know what the other children's issues are, and it may be

> true

> > > that that is the case. But at the same time, this is really

hard

> > for

> > > my son, he's only 3!

> > >

> > > So, our solution to try next is to take my son out of the room

at

> > > snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the gross motor

> room.

> > > (or do something else within the classroom)(where he can eat

his

> > SCD

> > > snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the one-on-one

PT

> > > time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things that make

> that

> > a

> > > bad solution.

> > >

> > > I've begun a little here and there to explain " special diet "

that

> > > certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still think the

> > > exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too much for

> him.

> > > Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping, gingerbread

> > > cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty hard to send

> > > comparable snacks from home.

> > >

> > > So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have done with a

> child

> > > this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to have snack

> > with

> > > the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate that it's

> really

> > > hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the diet.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech disorder,

> > seizure

> > > disorder. SCD 10/20/07

> > >

> >

>

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Hi ,

Thanks for the kind words. I guess his teacher is all right, like I

said, none of the other kids seem to have diet restrictions, so she's

probably never been down this road before. (maybe to this extreme).

She is willing to work with us, which is nice. I really do hope

she's read the stuff, too. She's really in a position to help a lot

of other kids/parents.

I posted to one of your blogs, because I wasn't sure if sea salt was

legal...and I'm still not. Here's what I found on salt on the BTVC

website:

Ordinary iodized table salt, altho it sometimes has dextrose, is

legal because it is important to get that iodine.

I cannot find anything on cranberries, though! Are they even legal?

My son had two infractions with them (cooked) since Thanksgiving, I

thought they were on Stage 3, but I don't see them now...uh-oh!! He

doesn't seem any different, so do we just continue on? (Sorry,

, I sort of got off track here).

Take Care,

Cyn

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I couldn't agree with you more! I am surprised at

> > what they are

> > feeding the kids. Especially special needs kids, to

> > which a healthy

> > diet can really help in so many cases. I guess they

> > aren't reading

> > up on how diet plays such an important role. Too

> > bad. Well, I

> > printed out a bunch of stuff for the teacher about

> > this diet, hope

> > she read it. ;-)

> >

> > At my son's schools, and this is the second, (third

> > teacher), my son

> > seems to be the only one with the crazy diet

> > restrictions. I can't

> > help but wonder if other kids in his classes would

> > be doing so much

> > better w/o eating the junk they are eating (atleast

> > in class).

> >

> > yeah, I wish she would keep it simpler, too. That

> > would be so much

> > easier!

> >

> > thanks for your reply,

> >

> > Cyn

> > p.s. your blog is very interesting! I've also lived

> > in Illinois and

> > SoCal, too.(and majored in writing screenplays/film)

> > :-)

>

>

>

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Hi Sharon,

That's actually a very good idea, and what we similiarly came up

with. We decided to give him the choice well before snacktime,

(important to ask him before he sees what the other kids are having)

using a picture system made by his teacher with many choices for

him. The first page uses pictures and she explains that certain

foods will hurt his tummy, so Mommy sends special snacks for him from

home, and that's okay to have a different snack. The next page is

all about his choice. " Would you like to eat a snack with a

friend? " or he can choose to: go to the gross motor room, eat his

snack with the group (realizing his will be different, " but that's

okay. " ;-)

read a book or do play-dough with a teacher, etc.

And...she will always include his SCD snack within any of those

choices.

I LOVE that he gets to make all these choices every time, which will

be so empowering for him, especially at his age. I think he will

love it too, and if for some reason it doesn't work (I will be

observing intermittently), we will change the plan.

This, I think is actually going to go into his IFSP. We are having

his meeting Dec. 4. She will show me the book she made up beforehand

to see what I think. It sounded good over the phone today.

Interestingly, a couple of the other kids actually wanted my son's

banana one of the days they had the doughnuts/pickles/olives. So, I

think most kids would be happy to share (and he would too) in a one-

on-one situation. (plus, maybe they know they don't feel so good

after eating some of the other snacks offered!!)

Thanks for your suggestions, too!

Cyn

> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > We are new to the diet: since 10/20/07. My son is 3. All is

> > going

> > > > well, one of the main reasons I wanted to start the diet was

> for

> > > his

> > > > infrequent bowl-movements, and I'm happy to report that

instead

> > of

> > > > every 3 or 4 days...they are now coming every 2 days, like

> > > clockwork!

> > > > In fact, today made TWO days in a row!! Very pleased at this

> > > point!!

> > > >

> > > > However, school snacktime is a problem. I was just sending

his

> > > > snacks, which was OK, not great. But then, instead of simple

> > > snacks

> > > > for the group (of about 8), they became sprinkled doughnuts

> (more

> > > > than once), pickles, olives, (all at the same snacktime!).

Of

> > > > course, the teacher had to go around the table with the dozen

> > > > doughnuts asking each child (skipping my son, of course)

which

> > > > doughnut he/she wanted. I was there watching this, and

watched

> > my

> > > > son eating his almond butter frosted brownie, which was ok,

but

> > his

> > > > eyes were big and sad as he watched the doughnut tray go all

> > around

> > > > the table, and he was the only one not asked to pick a

> doughnut.

> > > >

> > > > I know he wanted one, and it was hard to watch. Or, as

> mentioned

> > > > earlier, they will have other food that he would love to eat,

> and

> > > has

> > > > to watch everyone else eat. Another time when I was there

when

> > > they

> > > > had doughnuts, pickles and olives (his favorites), there he

was

> > > with

> > > > his (yet another) banana. Of course he didn't want it,

wanted

> > what

> > > > he couldn't have, so tried to leave the table. The teacher

was

> > > > trying to keep him sitting at the table. I moved from

observer

> > to

> > > > intervener, when I suggested it may be too difficult for him

to

> > > have

> > > > to stay at the table, and for what purpose at this point? I

> > asked

> > > > him if he wanted to go read a book with mommy, and he quickly

> > > > said " Yes! "

> > > >

> > > > I've already had a meeting with the teacher about it after,

and

> > she

> > > > at first wanted to find the common (easy) denominator for all

> the

> > > > kids, which would have been applesauce and bananas, but the

> next

> > > time

> > > > we talked she changed her mind and said that some of the kids

> in

> > > the

> > > > group need the wide-palette of foods to eat. I can respect

> > that.

> > > I

> > > > don't know what the other children's issues are, and it may

be

> > true

> > > > that that is the case. But at the same time, this is really

> hard

> > > for

> > > > my son, he's only 3!

> > > >

> > > > So, our solution to try next is to take my son out of the

room

> at

> > > > snacktime, and maybe have one-on-one time in the gross motor

> > room.

> > > > (or do something else within the classroom)(where he can eat

> his

> > > SCD

> > > > snack alone) This is a good idea since he needs the one-on-

one

> PT

> > > > time, but I can't help but notice the obvious things that

make

> > that

> > > a

> > > > bad solution.

> > > >

> > > > I've begun a little here and there to explain " special diet "

> that

> > > > certain food " hurts our tummies, " etc, but I still think the

> > > > exclusion from the yummy and tempting snacks is too much for

> > him.

> > > > Her upcoming snacks are: cranberries for dipping, gingerbread

> > > > cookies, cheese, crackers, oatmeal, grits. Pretty hard to

send

> > > > comparable snacks from home.

> > > >

> > > > So, what do you experienced SCD'ers do? Or have done with a

> > child

> > > > this age? I would love to hear. I would love him to have

snack

> > > with

> > > > the group, but the snacks have become so elaborate that it's

> > really

> > > > hard to compete with that at our Stage 2 of the diet.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > CJ, mom to ph. Devel Delay, Expressive speech disorder,

> > > seizure

> > > > disorder. SCD 10/20/07

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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At 08:26 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:

>I cannot find anything on cranberries, though! Are they even legal?

Absolutely, they are, as long as nothing illegal

is added to them! I make homemade cranberry sauce

and a cranberry-pumpkin or cranberry-apple

compote with pecan flour and it's delicious!

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I saw you mentioned play-doh. I don't know if you're

aware, but play-doh is made primarily from wheat. Many

kids end up with it under their fingernails, and then

when they touch other things or eat -- it's instant

contamination.

I know a lot of people who were GFCF before SCD are

aware, but I just want to make sure. We don't allow

our son to play with regular play-doh at all because

of it. I believe there are some Crayola clay brands

that are safe but you have to check with the

manufacturer.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

--- wrote:

> Hi Sharon,

>

> That's actually a very good idea, and what we

> similiarly came up

> with. We decided to give him the choice well before

> snacktime,

> (important to ask him before he sees what the other

> kids are having)

> using a picture system made by his teacher with many

> choices for

> him. The first page uses pictures and she explains

> that certain

> foods will hurt his tummy, so Mommy sends special

> snacks for him from

> home, and that's okay to have a different snack.

> The next page is

> all about his choice. " Would you like to eat a

> snack with a

> friend? " or he can choose to: go to the gross motor

> room, eat his

> snack with the group (realizing his will be

> different, " but that's

> okay. " ;-)

> read a book or do play-dough with a teacher, etc.

> And...she will always include his SCD snack within

> any of those

> choices.

>

> I LOVE that he gets to make all these choices every

> time, which will

> be so empowering for him, especially at his age. I

> think he will

> love it too, and if for some reason it doesn't work

> (I will be

> observing intermittently), we will change the plan.

>

> This, I think is actually going to go into his IFSP.

> We are having

> his meeting Dec. 4. She will show me the book she

> made up beforehand

> to see what I think. It sounded good over the phone

> today.

>

> Interestingly, a couple of the other kids actually

> wanted my son's

> banana one of the days they had the

> doughnuts/pickles/olives. So, I

> think most kids would be happy to share (and he

> would too) in a one-

> on-one situation. (plus, maybe they know they don't

> feel so good

> after eating some of the other snacks offered!!)

>

> Thanks for your suggestions, too!

>

> Cyn

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi CJ,

> > > > I'm so sad that school can't be more helpful

> in coming up with

> a

> > > > solution that works well for your son. My

> daughter is now 19

> and

> > > it

> > > > seems like things have not really changed much

> since she was in

> > > > preschool. So many teachers just don't know

> or don't want to

> > > > accomodate and celebrate the differences in

> kids. They seem to

> > > want

> > > > to just treat them all the same. I don't

> think this is fair to

> > the

> > > > typical kids, but it can often be a disaster

> for kids with

> > special

> > > > needs. Their situations just don't allow them

> the flexibility

> > that

> > > > their peers often have.

> > > >

> > > > If I can offer some advice, it would be to

> make the school

> > > > responsible and accountable for your son's

> education. Empower

> > them

> > > to

> > > > come up with solutions. I was a near constant

> fixture in my

> > > > daughter's classroom when she was young and

> often chose

> to " fix "

> > > > problems myself. What I realized after many,

> many years was

> that

> > > it

> > > > was seldom appreciated and often resented.

> Worst of all, I

> > started

> > > > to burn out.

> > > >

> > > > I have heard from other Moms that schools

> often don't

> understand

> > > and

> > > > don't take our kids special diets seriously

> and don't get how

> > > > critical they can be to their functioning and

> health. I agree,

> > > too,

> > > > that doughnuts aren't healthful for any of the

> kids.

> > > >

> > > > If the teacher truly can't come up with a

> snack plan that will

>

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,

No problem on the getting off track...I'm barely

conscious and bed is calling anyway. LOL.

Regarding the salt, I am surprised that Elaine

considers table salt OK because she even mentions that

it contains dextrose. I myself will stick with the sea

salt. As long as nothing is added to it, also

said it was OK.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

--- wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the kind words. I guess his teacher is

> all right, like I

> said, none of the other kids seem to have diet

> restrictions, so she's

> probably never been down this road before. (maybe

> to this extreme).

> She is willing to work with us, which is nice. I

> really do hope

> she's read the stuff, too. She's really in a

> position to help a lot

> of other kids/parents.

>

> I posted to one of your blogs, because I wasn't sure

> if sea salt was

> legal...and I'm still not. Here's what I found on

> salt on the BTVC

> website:

>

>

> Ordinary iodized table salt, altho it sometimes has

> dextrose, is

> legal because it is important to get that iodine.

>

> I cannot find anything on cranberries, though! Are

> they even legal?

> My son had two infractions with them (cooked) since

> Thanksgiving, I

> thought they were on Stage 3, but I don't see them

> now...uh-oh!! He

> doesn't seem any different, so do we just continue

> on? (Sorry,

> , I sort of got off track here).

>

> Take Care,

>

> Cyn

>

>

>

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > I couldn't agree with you more! I am surprised

> at

> > > what they are

> > > feeding the kids. Especially special needs

> kids, to

> > > which a healthy

> > > diet can really help in so many cases. I guess

> they

> > > aren't reading

> > > up on how diet plays such an important role. Too

> > > bad. Well, I

> > > printed out a bunch of stuff for the teacher

> about

> > > this diet, hope

> > > she read it. ;-)

> > >

> > > At my son's schools, and this is the second,

> (third

> > > teacher), my son

> > > seems to be the only one with the crazy diet

> > > restrictions. I can't

> > > help but wonder if other kids in his classes

> would

> > > be doing so much

> > > better w/o eating the junk they are eating

> (atleast

> > > in class).

> > >

> > > yeah, I wish she would keep it simpler, too.

> That

> > > would be so much

> > > easier!

> > >

> > > thanks for your reply,

> > >

> > > Cyn

> > > p.s. your blog is very interesting! I've also

> lived

> > > in Illinois and

> > > SoCal, too.(and majored in writing

> screenplays/film)

> > > :-)

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi, Cyn,

Sea salt is legal.

> I cannot find anything on cranberries, though! Are they even legal?

Cranberries are legal. They have skins and tiny seeds, so after you

cook them, put them through a strainer to get these out in the early

stages.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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At 09:52 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:

>Regarding the salt, I am surprised that Elaine

>considers table salt OK because she even

>mentions that it contains dextrose. I myself

>will stick with the sea salt. As long as nothing

>is added to it, also said it was OK.

Sea salt is fine. I use it myself. However, the

primary concern is that the dextrose in table

salt is used to bind iodine, which otherwise

sublimates. Iodine is critical to the function of

our thyroids. If you live where you can get

good, fresh seafood, you probably don't need to

worry about it. (I regularly eat shrimp, crab,

flounder, red fish, etc.) If, however, you don't

have a source of iodine in your diet, then you

need the iodine in the table salt more than you need to avoid the dextrose.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

That's great news! Is that recipe online anywhere, or would you mind

posting it?

Thanks for the info,

cyn

> >I cannot find anything on cranberries, though! Are they even legal?

>

> Absolutely, they are, as long as nothing illegal

> is added to them! I make homemade cranberry sauce

> and a cranberry-pumpkin or cranberry-apple

> compote with pecan flour and it's delicious!

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Hmmm...I'll have to check with his school. I was aware of it, but

really didn't place much importance on it, to be honest. I should

probably be more strict about it. Thanks. (at home, too. I

actually have a recipe to make it, somewhere.)

Cyn

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi CJ,

> > > > > I'm so sad that school can't be more helpful

> > in coming up with

> > a

> > > > > solution that works well for your son. My

> > daughter is now 19

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > seems like things have not really changed much

> > since she was in

> > > > > preschool. So many teachers just don't know

> > or don't want to

> > > > > accomodate and celebrate the differences in

> > kids. They seem to

> > > > want

> > > > > to just treat them all the same. I don't

> > think this is fair to

> > > the

> > > > > typical kids, but it can often be a disaster

> > for kids with

> > > special

> > > > > needs. Their situations just don't allow them

> > the flexibility

> > > that

> > > > > their peers often have.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I can offer some advice, it would be to

> > make the school

> > > > > responsible and accountable for your son's

> > education. Empower

> > > them

> > > > to

> > > > > come up with solutions. I was a near constant

> > fixture in my

> > > > > daughter's classroom when she was young and

> > often chose

> > to " fix "

> > > > > problems myself. What I realized after many,

> > many years was

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > was seldom appreciated and often resented.

> > Worst of all, I

> > > started

> > > > > to burn out.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have heard from other Moms that schools

> > often don't

> > understand

> > > > and

> > > > > don't take our kids special diets seriously

> > and don't get how

> > > > > critical they can be to their functioning and

> > health. I agree,

> > > > too,

> > > > > that doughnuts aren't healthful for any of the

> > kids.

> > > > >

> > > > > If the teacher truly can't come up with a

> > snack plan that will

> >

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>

>

>

>

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> Sea salt is fine. I use it myself. However, the

> primary concern is that the dextrose in table

> salt is used to bind iodine, which otherwise

> sublimates. Iodine is critical to the function of

> our thyroids. If you live where you can get

> good, fresh seafood, you probably don't need to

> worry about it. (I regularly eat shrimp, crab,

> flounder, red fish, etc.) If, however, you don't

> have a source of iodine in your diet, then you

> need the iodine in the table salt more than you need

> to avoid the dextrose.

Does that include canned wild salmon? I am allergic to

shellfish. Hmm.

I guess I should keep the old salt then. Or an iodized

sea salt. I prefer the taste of the sea salt.

B.

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Since many of us have kids on the spectrum and most already carry heavy mercury

burdens, seafood, fresh or otherwise, is still something to avoid. For iodine,

there are some mercury free seaweeds that are grown in filtered water that one

can buy from Japan, but you'll need a friend who can read the label (unless you

read Japanese). Lugol's solution is another source, one drop every other day

works for us. Another idea is to get bladderwrack in a alcohol free solution,

organically grown.

S Bridges wrote: > Sea salt is fine. I use it

myself. However, the

> primary concern is that the dextrose in table

> salt is used to bind iodine, which otherwise

> sublimates. Iodine is critical to the function of

> our thyroids. If you live where you can get

> good, fresh seafood, you probably don't need to

> worry about it. (I regularly eat shrimp, crab,

> flounder, red fish, etc.) If, however, you don't

> have a source of iodine in your diet, then you

> need the iodine in the table salt more than you need

> to avoid the dextrose.

Does that include canned wild salmon? I am allergic to

shellfish. Hmm.

I guess I should keep the old salt then. Or an iodized

sea salt. I prefer the taste of the sea salt.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

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there is a sea salt with iodine in it.

I will check name downstairs

Re: Re: SCD son pulled out of snacktime at school, is

this the best we can come up with?

At 09:52 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:

>Regarding the salt, I am surprised that Elaine

>considers table salt OK because she even

>mentions that it contains dextrose. I myself

>will stick with the sea salt. As long as nothing

>is added to it, also said it was OK.

Sea salt is fine. I use it myself. However, the

primary concern is that the dextrose in table

salt is used to bind iodine, which otherwise

sublimates. Iodine is critical to the function of

our thyroids. If you live where you can get

good, fresh seafood, you probably don't need to

worry about it. (I regularly eat shrimp, crab,

flounder, red fish, etc.) If, however, you don't

have a source of iodine in your diet, then you

need the iodine in the table salt more than you need to avoid the dextrose.

- Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund