New to the Diet - From GFCF- Help!

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Hi,

I hope you all can help me. I am brand new to the diet, but am not really sure

it will work

for us. My daughter is PDD-NOS and is very very thin. wont eat anything but rice

and

carrots and chicken, fish..she shows in her IgG that she has problems with all

nuts,

seafood, grains, lentils...she even has problems with avacado and green beans.

I thought this diet would help her, but I see that many of the things on here

she can't

tolerate and am not sure WHAT to feed her. I basically pour olive oil, ghee and

other oils

all over her rice to help her gain weight. She just stopped taking DIFLUCAN for

yeast

because I think it was cutting her appetite. We have been caesin free,

gluten/wheat free

for three months with good benefits, but her IgG said she had issues with soy

and

corn....She takes kirkman's gold probiotics....so where do I go from here?? Can

I jump in

with the goat yogurt? I am scared to give her just protein and veggies because i

don't want

her to lose anymore weight.

Help!

Thank you,

, Mother of 2/12 year old Hannah

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What about squash? You can prepare it in many ways and

it won't feed gut bugs like rice will.

Once the gut bugs start to die off, you will probably

see a willingness to try more foods.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

--- allisonhase wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I hope you all can help me. I am brand new to the

> diet, but am not really sure it will work

> for us. My daughter is PDD-NOS and is very very

> thin. wont eat anything but rice and

> carrots and chicken, fish..she shows in her IgG

> that she has problems with all nuts,

> seafood, grains, lentils...she even has problems

> with avacado and green beans.

>

> I thought this diet would help her, but I see that

> many of the things on here she can't

> tolerate and am not sure WHAT to feed her. I

> basically pour olive oil, ghee and other oils

> all over her rice to help her gain weight. She just

> stopped taking DIFLUCAN for yeast

> because I think it was cutting her appetite. We have

> been caesin free, gluten/wheat free

> for three months with good benefits, but her IgG

> said she had issues with soy and

> corn....She takes kirkman's gold probiotics....so

> where do I go from here?? Can I jump in

> with the goat yogurt? I am scared to give her just

> protein and veggies because i don't want

> her to lose anymore weight.

>

>

> Help!

>

> Thank you,

>

> , Mother of 2/12 year old Hannah

>

>

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Hi, ,

Well, we usually don't advise people to plunge in with the goat

yogurt, because it is such a wonderful healing aide that we don't

want them to have a bad experience and discontinue it. Your daughter

will probably have a die-off reaction from giving up the rice, so you

won't be able to tell if the reaction is die-off from rice, die-off

from yogurt, or a reaction to casein.

Sheila explains how to decide when to start the yogurt here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/73411

The intro diet is only for 2 days. But if you are too worried about

your daughter's weight to do that, you can just start giving her

legal foods and go back and do the intro when her weight improves.

People usually see better result if they do the intro.

Do I understand correctly that you daughter is only willing to eat 4

foods: rice, carrots, chicken, fish? If so, you might want to work

on getting her to eat banana and squash before starting SCD (eat a

bite of squash, reward with a bite of a food she likes). Banana,

winter squash, and avocado are high-calorie foods we recommend when

children need to put on weight. We also recommend the healthy fats,

like coconut oil, be added to other foods.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group ,

>

> Hi,

>

> I hope you all can help me. I am brand new to the diet, but am not

really sure it will work

> for us. My daughter is PDD-NOS and is very very thin. wont eat

anything but rice and

> carrots and chicken, fish..she shows in her IgG that she has

problems with all nuts, seafood, grains, lentils...she even has

problems with avacado and green beans.>>>>

Many people have found that after some healing occurs that foods that

they were sensitive to preSCD are tolerated. Some people have even

noted that once the cut out the illegals (rice, flour, sugar etc...)

foods they thought were problematic aren't any longer.

It is best if you can start with the intro diet, even if only for a

couple of days

http://pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#intro

http://pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#transition

Usually we recommend 2-5 days on the intro diet ; 4-5 days if you

have diarrhea and 2-3 for everything else.

<<<<I thought this diet would help her, but I see that many of the

things on here she can't > tolerate and am not sure WHAT to feed her.

I basically pour olive oil, ghee and other oils > all over her rice

to help her gain weight.>>>>

You can continue to use oilve oil, ghee and other oils when she

finishes the intro diet. (it is good to give the body a break from

the oils for a couple of days - as they are harder to digest)

<<<<<She just stopped taking DIFLUCAN for yeast

> because I think it was cutting her appetite. We have been caesin

free, gluten/wheat free > for three months with good benefits, but

her IgG said she had issues with soy and > corn....She takes

kirkman's gold probiotics....so where do I go from here??>>>>>

Those kirkman probiotics are illegal (illegal strains and ingredients

(inulin etc..). There are some legal probiotics listed at

http://pecanbread.com/new/probiotics1.html

<<<<Can I jump in > with the goat yogurt? I am scared to give her

just protein and veggies because i don't want > her to lose anymore

weight.

> Help!

>

> Thank you,

>

> , Mother of 2/12 year old Hannah>>>>

It is best to do the intro and if after the intro she is starting to

improve and heal and die off symptoms are improving (or gone) then

try a little yogurt. Some have to wait a few weeks before starting

the yogurt, some are able to start it right away and some have to

wait a few months. Whenever you start please note that we suggest

starting with 1/8-1/4 tsp as it can cause intense die off in some.

If tolerated well slowly and steadily increase the amounts. If you

need some help " deciphering' your daughter's readiness for the yogurt

please write into the list and we will help.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

She won't eat squash....won't eat anything but carrots, rice and avacado...today

she has

only had 600 calories total.

is Hemp milk ok on this diet if I use the regular not the vanilla?

Thanks,

> Hi ,

>

> What about squash? You can prepare it in many ways and

> it won't feed gut bugs like rice will.

>

> Once the gut bugs start to die off, you will probably

> see a willingness to try more foods.

>

> B.

> ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

>

> --- allisonhase wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I hope you all can help me. I am brand new to the

> > diet, but am not really sure it will work

> > for us. My daughter is PDD-NOS and is very very

> > thin. wont eat anything but rice and

> > carrots and chicken, fish..she shows in her IgG

> > that she has problems with all nuts,

> > seafood, grains, lentils...she even has problems

> > with avacado and green beans.

> >

> > I thought this diet would help her, but I see that

> > many of the things on here she can't

> > tolerate and am not sure WHAT to feed her. I

> > basically pour olive oil, ghee and other oils

> > all over her rice to help her gain weight. She just

> > stopped taking DIFLUCAN for yeast

> > because I think it was cutting her appetite. We have

> > been caesin free, gluten/wheat free

> > for three months with good benefits, but her IgG

> > said she had issues with soy and

> > corn....She takes kirkman's gold probiotics....so

> > where do I go from here?? Can I jump in

> > with the goat yogurt? I am scared to give her just

> > protein and veggies because i don't want

> > her to lose anymore weight.

> >

> >

> > Help!

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > , Mother of 2/12 year old Hannah

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks ...

She eats avacado, coconut oil (although might be allergic to coconuts) and

bananas...she

likes her fruit.

I am really confused because I am also reading the Body Ecology Diet and it

doesn't allow

fruit at all but it does allow quinoa, millet and buckwheat. We made her some

quiona

crackers today and gave them to her iwth the avacado..and rice.

You know...we never tested her for caesin, but was told it was a good thing to

do. This

diet allows both fruit and cheese...I am wondering if I should just try it with

the diary and

see what happens, but you are right..I won't know what got her if she has a

reaction.

The BED is big on fermented baby coconut drink...and fermented vegetables..which

Hannah won't touch...

Why does one diet say that fruit feeds yeast and only allows sour fruits and

another say

fruit is ok? doesn't apple cider have sugar that feeds yeast?

I am studying away, but just not up on all of it yet...

>

> Hi, ,

> Well, we usually don't advise people to plunge in with the goat

> yogurt, because it is such a wonderful healing aide that we don't

> want them to have a bad experience and discontinue it. Your daughter

> will probably have a die-off reaction from giving up the rice, so you

> won't be able to tell if the reaction is die-off from rice, die-off

> from yogurt, or a reaction to casein.

> Sheila explains how to decide when to start the yogurt here:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/73411

>

> The intro diet is only for 2 days. But if you are too worried about

> your daughter's weight to do that, you can just start giving her

> legal foods and go back and do the intro when her weight improves.

> People usually see better result if they do the intro.

>

> Do I understand correctly that you daughter is only willing to eat 4

> foods: rice, carrots, chicken, fish? If so, you might want to work

> on getting her to eat banana and squash before starting SCD (eat a

> bite of squash, reward with a bite of a food she likes). Banana,

> winter squash, and avocado are high-calorie foods we recommend when

> children need to put on weight. We also recommend the healthy fats,

> like coconut oil, be added to other foods.

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, hemp milk is not OK.

A lot of your questions would be answered through

reading Breaking the Vicious Cycle and Pecanbread.com,

but I will try to give the short version.

Basically, everyone has some amount of yeast in their

system. That is OK. It's overgrowth that is the

problem.

Body Ecology Diet has foods that are hard to digest.

This is where SCD shines, because the basis of SCD in

the beginning is to feed only foods that do not

require real digestion in the beginning.

The reason SCD specifies well cooked vegetables and

very ripe bananas is that these foods will be digested

BEFORE they hit the intestines. Then the bad bacteria

(who are living in the intestines and waiting for the

food to come down the line that your little girl can't

fully digest), will starve.

That is why they *seem* to be yeast feeders (and in

the short term may cause a certain amount of yeast

rising up as some of the bad bacteria dies off). But

other people have combated this with legal

supplements. Over time as more foods are introduced

and more healing takes place, the issue should

resolve.

Part of the reason your daughter is likely limiting

herself to HIGH SUGAR HIGH STARCH foods is that the

yeast are having a PARTY in her intestines and

everyone's invited. They send signals to your daughter

to crave MORE MORE MORE like a drug addict. That is

why she is refusing the other foods. She needs her

fix. All grains are terribly hard to digest. Yeast can

eat them no problem! This is also why most artificial

sweeteners are a no-no. For example, splenda's bulking

agent is corn, which your body can't digest (and thus

zero calories), but bacteria in your gut can eat it no

problem.

Breaking this addiction is the only way to get REAL

healing in her gut, and when that happens, she will

gain weight.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

***************

--- allisonhase wrote:

>

>

> Hi ...

>

> She won't eat squash....won't eat anything but

> carrots, rice and avacado...today she has

> only had 600 calories total.

>

> is Hemp milk ok on this diet if I use the regular

> not the vanilla?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > What about squash? You can prepare it in many ways

> and

> > it won't feed gut bugs like rice will.

> >

> > Once the gut bugs start to die off, you will

> probably

> > see a willingness to try more foods.

> >

> > B.

> > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> >

> > --- allisonhase wrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I hope you all can help me. I am brand new to

> the

> > > diet, but am not really sure it will work

> > > for us. My daughter is PDD-NOS and is very very

> > > thin. wont eat anything but rice and

> > > carrots and chicken, fish..she shows in her IgG

> > > that she has problems with all nuts,

> > > seafood, grains, lentils...she even has problems

> > > with avacado and green beans.

> > >

> > > I thought this diet would help her, but I see

> that

> > > many of the things on here she can't

> > > tolerate and am not sure WHAT to feed her. I

> > > basically pour olive oil, ghee and other oils

> > > all over her rice to help her gain weight. She

> just

> > > stopped taking DIFLUCAN for yeast

> > > because I think it was cutting her appetite. We

> have

> > > been caesin free, gluten/wheat free

> > > for three months with good benefits, but her IgG

> > > said she had issues with soy and

> > > corn....She takes kirkman's gold

> probiotics....so

> > > where do I go from here?? Can I jump in

> > > with the goat yogurt? I am scared to give her

> just

> > > protein and veggies because i don't want

> > > her to lose anymore weight.

> > >

> > >

> > > Help!

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > , Mother of 2/12 year old Hannah

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I understand where you are coming from. I read the

book,Breaking the V. Cyle and the theory behind the

diet made sense to me. I have not gone SCD yet for my

daughter but have started to introduce SCD legals now

(which are not exactly on the other diets- ripe

bananas...) and taking out the rice slowly. I have

been doing this for the last 2 weeks and I can already

see a change in her willingness to try the new foods.

I have not seen the yeasty stuff with the intro of

bananas, oranges, more carrots... and she actually

does not seem to crave the rice pasta as much! My

daughter has severe oral motor issues/sensitivity so

this is huge for us. Hang in there, read the book if

you have not. My daughter is 3 and on the little side

too. Alot of regular kids go days without eating a lot

too and may lose some weight- my 4yo does it

occasional.

Hang in there,

Kathy and - almost ready for full SCD!

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