[SPAM] Re: My son finally can stick out his tongue!!!!!

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You are not going to like this but it is likely metabolic. Yes, many

interventions have been taken to heal his gut but others have been

taken to extract metal and the gut takes a beating even with the best

precautions.

I can get great articulation on E some days and not others and for

some reason he bleeds so we had to stop. May not always be that way

but it is for now. If nothing else it tells me there is gunk in him

that needs removal. He can articulate words he knows well though so

we are getting somewhere. Current focus is yeast. It may be that as

we detoxed a whole lot while ignoring yeast. What can I say, I do it

all backwards because I can only handle so much at a time. The race

is on though. Tubes come out in June and I am not doing that again.

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> ,

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> That is a great post....

>

> Mark has both dysarthria and apraxia and I never have quite gotten

the difference of which was which! Thank you for that.....

>

> So.... lets say we get rid of all of the dysarthria and are just

left with the dyspraxia/apraxia..... what I don't get is that where

previously Mark always spoke poorly making some sounds correct which

one would expect of a speech delay.

>

> Now we have changed..... we either have good speech days where he

speaks in a manner that is completely NT or bad speech days where

articulation is 'off' the entire day. This will usually be one or

the other for a few days on or a few days off. Every once in a while

I think that I have the 'ah haaaa' sollution that is environmental

only to be proven wrong.

>

> Have you ever heard of this before? We get good speech and bad

speech in 'chunks', say 4 days of good speech followed by 3-5 days of

bad speech. It's exhausting for I tend to run around trying to

figure out how to get the good speech back.... (I sometimes fear that

it won't come back.)

>

> It is sooooo odd and I would just like to get this over with. We

have worked so hard and we are so close to being completely done with

speech but we get these darn regressions!!!!! It is driving me

batty. (Can you tell that we haven't come out of our speech

regression that has persisted for well over a week now?)

>

> Does this happen with Tanner? Mark is so darn inconsistent!

>

> UGH!

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

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> [sPAM][ ] Re: My son finally can stick

out his tongue!!!!!

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> It's great that there have been wonderful suggestions on things

you

> can do at home to help with tongue control -but you need to find

out

> what the cause is from (motor planning vs weakness or sensory or

more

> than one of the above) to know which therapy/therapies would be

most

> effective to help. For the most part the peanut butter on the

lips

> is just a way to test for possible oral apraxia -not necessarily

a

> therapy depending -but it could be. Yes the mirror can be so

> important for those with motor planning issues. Professional

speech

> therapy -and probably with oral motor therapy as well - will

probably

> show the quickest improvements and they'll give you " homework " .

> Below are some archives on the differences between oral apraxia

and

> dysarthria. There's more on this in The Late Talker as my son

Tanner

> had apraxia, some dysarthria, and sensory issues that we had to

deal

> with in working with oral motor therapy/speech therapy (outside

of

> what we did with OT etc)

>

> ~~start of archives

>

> Are they sure it's oral apraxia and not dysarthria? It could also

> be a combination of the two (which is what my son Tanner had)

>

> Apraxia is the motor planning impairment of doing things on

> command. In other words -your son may not have any trouble lifting

> his tongue up or moving it side to side when not thinking about

it,

> but when he tries to do it on command -he can't...or it goes the

> wrong way. Weakness issues would mean he just can't do it ever. My

> son could not ever lift his tongue up to touch his top lip when

> three (weakness) but in addition, couldn't get his tongue to go

> which way he wanted it to go side to side or down. If you put

> peanut butter on the right side -his tongue would typically go to

> the left. Actually most times he just used his fingers to push it

> into his mouth.

>

> If there are other " soft signs "

>

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsig

> ns.html

> like weakness/hypotonia or sensory integration dysfunction

> for example, it's probably not just a simple delay in speech or a

> phonological disorder. Also those children with just phonological

> disorders and/or those with dysarthria/weakness typically

> have 'consistent errors. Apraxia = inconsistent errors. Then

> again -apraxia can co exist with any of the above, or just about

> anything else. This is why you need to know what symptoms if any

> are from apraxia -and what are from something else. So you can get

> Kellen appropriate therapy/therapies!

>

> More from cuts from archives below on this:

>

> " It is confusing, this is why it's so important to make sure your

> child is properly diagnosed. Dysarthria and apraxia can stand

> alone, they can also co exist together -it's not unusual.

>

> " Some speech disorders can overlap, or be misdiagnosed. For

> example, " Verbal apraxia, a disorder of central nervous system

(CNS)

> processing, and dysarthria, a disorder of output, are commonly

> confused " , says Dr. , chief of child development at

the

> Chicago College of Medicine. " Experts are able to differentiate

> between these two disorders by listening carefully to a child's

> speech and by identifying certain physical clues " , says Dr.

,

> but adds, " These disorders are poorly understood by physicians and

> by a lot of speech therapists as well. " It is possible for

> phonological disorders, apraxia and dysarthria to all occur

together

> in the same child. Speech Language Impairments, which is connected

> to language based learning difficulties may also be present. And

the

> severity of each may vary. "

> http://www.cherab.org/information/latetalkerhandout.html

>

> My son Tanner had to work on these two conditions (and more) and

he

> is talking and a straight A student in first grade now. He plays

> ball, rides a bike, roller blades -maybe not all as graceful as

> other boys -but he pushes himself to keep up with all his friends.

> The Late Talker book has many exercises that you can do at home

> (many pulled from what worked for Tanner who was diagnosed with

oral

> and verbal apraxia, dysarthria, and sensory integration

dysfunction -

> and mild hypotonia too)

> http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html

>

> How did I tell the difference between what was due to apraxia and

> what was due to dysarthria or hypotonia? Here's my parent

> friendly explanation. Apraxia is trying to pick up a fork to pick

> up a cooked noodle... while looking in a mirror. Weakness is like

> trying to pick up the fork 'with' a cooked noodle. Having

> both -well it's, both.

>

> If Tanner never did it, and made consistent errors when he tried

to

> do it -that was from weakness. Dysarthria and hypotonia made

> sense. " He needs to work on this " If he could do it once in a

while,

> mainly not on command, and was inconsistent in how he did it -that

> was the motor planning. Apraxia doesn't make sense " I don't get it

> why can't he do this when he can do that? " or " He just did it why

> can't he do it again? " Actually if you start your sentence off

when

> describing your child with " it doesn't make sense " ...big warning

> sign of apraxia!

>

> Again you'll know what I mean if you know what I mean! If even the

> experts are not 100% sure, it doesn't hurt to incorporate both

motor

> planning and strengthening therapies to see which helps the most,

or

> if both are needed. (again not unusual)

>

> Here are just a few links about dysarthria. Keep in mind a child

> can have more than one diagnosis.

>

> http://www.d.umn.edu/~ameredit/Neurogenic%20speech%

20disorders/Management%20of%2\

> 0Children%20with%20Dysarthrianotes.htm

>

>

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/childrens/conditions/Dysarthria.c

fm

>

> http://www.speech-express.com/diagnosis-

destinations/dysarthria/dysarthria.html

>

> http://neuro-

www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum_2/SpeechDisordersF/Childhooddysarthria.ht\

> ml

>

> http://www.asha.org/about/publications/leader-

online/reviews/dysarthia.htm

>

> http://www.csuchico.edu/~pmccaff/syllabi/SPPA342/342unit14.html

>

> Oral apraxia

>

> verbal apraxia

>

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/verbalapraxia.html

>

> oral apraxia

> http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html

>

> Some speech disorders can overlap, or be misdiagnosed. For

> example, " Verbal apraxia, a disorder of central nervous system

(CNS)

> processing, and dysarthria, a disorder of output, are commonly

> confused " , says Dr. , chief of child development at

the

> Chicago College of Medicine. " Experts are able to differentiate

> between these two disorders by listening carefully to a child's

> speech and by identifying certain physical clues " , says Dr.

,

> but adds, " These disorders are poorly understood by physicians and

> by a lot of speech therapists as well. " It is possible for

> phonological disorders, apraxia and dysarthria to all occur

together

> in the same child. Speech Language Impairments, which is connected

> to language based learning difficulties may also be present. And

the

> severity of each may vary.

> http://www.cherab.org/information/latetalkerhandout.html

>

> Have you read The Late Talker -can't recall.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~end of archives

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