Re: Just starting SCD from GFCF

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Can someone explain the difference between GFCF and SCD. I am planning a switch

as soon as I can figure it out. Is there a website with product info and

recipes? What is the best website for foods and how do you know if the

gluten-free products are SCD approved?

julie46250 wrote: This is hard to answer. Each

child's issues are different.

First, let me put in the usual caveat that the Stages are just a

guideline to help parents see which foods in which forms are generally

harder to digest than which others. The stages are not a part of the

original SCD. But even with the original, people would be advised to

wait on certain harder-to-digest foods.

I, for one, was glad to have the stages to follow.

In 's case, he seemed calmer (not calm, you understand, just

calm-*er*) and poops were good, so we moved right on to stage 2 after

trying each of the stage 1 foods. So I guess we spent about 18 days

there. I don't think there's a huge leap between stage 1 and stage 2

foods except for the nut milk and nut butters. So I tried the stage

two fruits and vegetables before trying the nut butter because I

anticipated that it--if anything--would be the problem area, and I

wanted to see him doing well on a variety of fruits and veggies before

adding in something more difficult. We did have a problem with

pineapple in stage two. So we just stopped it and everything else

went well.

I think you should straighten out the pebble poop before moving on;

the reason being, so that you have a reference of good poop that you

can watch for other changes as you add the new foods. But on the

other hand, if you do the constipation protocol, you will be adding

nut muffins, so that bumps you to stage two anyway.

Many people think the winter squashes should be a very early food.

You might want to start there.

In any case, keep a journal of foods, poops, and behaviors, and that

will help you know if you should proceed or hold back. Always try new

things in small amounts and increase slowly.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Liz,

The SCD is very different from GFCF, and there is a

protocol on introducing foods. In order to get a

complete picture, you need to read Breaking the

Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall, and then read

through the materials on the Pecanbread web site.

http://www.pecanbread.com

The protocol on the Pecanbread site is generally used

for children on the autism spectrum or with behavioral

problems. It is very useful for everyone in my opinion

because it is an elimination diet so you can see what

you or your child has problems with personally. Your

odds of success are much improved by following the

protocol.

The truth is, SCD is harder and much more of a

commitment than GFCF. There is almost nothing you can

buy commercially. You will have to make your own food

for everything, including most condiments.

You will need time, help, and a certain level of

sanity. We're here to help!

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

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--- Liz Celeste wrote:

> Can someone explain the difference between GFCF and

> SCD. I am planning a switch as soon as I can figure

> it out. Is there a website with product info and

> recipes? What is the best website for foods and how

> do you know if the gluten-free products are SCD

> approved?

>

> julie46250 wrote:

> This is hard to answer. Each child's issues are

> different.

> First, let me put in the usual caveat that the

> Stages are just a

> guideline to help parents see which foods in which

> forms are generally

> harder to digest than which others. The stages are

> not a part of the

> original SCD. But even with the original, people

> would be advised to

> wait on certain harder-to-digest foods.

> I, for one, was glad to have the stages to follow.

> In 's case, he seemed calmer (not calm, you

> understand, just

> calm-*er*) and poops were good, so we moved right on

> to stage 2 after

> trying each of the stage 1 foods. So I guess we

> spent about 18 days

> there. I don't think there's a huge leap between

> stage 1 and stage 2

> foods except for the nut milk and nut butters. So I

> tried the stage

> two fruits and vegetables before trying the nut

> butter because I

> anticipated that it--if anything--would be the

> problem area, and I

> wanted to see him doing well on a variety of fruits

> and veggies before

> adding in something more difficult. We did have a

> problem with

> pineapple in stage two. So we just stopped it and

> everything else

> went well.

> I think you should straighten out the pebble poop

> before moving on;

> the reason being, so that you have a reference of

> good poop that you

> can watch for other changes as you add the new

> foods. But on the

> other hand, if you do the constipation protocol, you

> will be adding

> nut muffins, so that bumps you to stage two anyway.

> Many people think the winter squashes should be a

> very early food.

> You might want to start there.

> In any case, keep a journal of foods, poops, and

> behaviors, and that

> will help you know if you should proceed or hold

> back. Always try new

> things in small amounts and increase slowly.

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

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Hi, Liz,

First you need to get the book Breaking the Vicious Cycle and read

that. The website www.pecanbread.com has a huge amount of information

that you need to read. It also has recipes and links to other SCD

recipe sites.

On SCD we start with a limited number of foods that are very easy for

most people to digest. Then we all foods slowly, one at a time,

watching for reactions. This process helps to heal the gut by not

burdening it with foods that are beyond one's ability to digest. On

GFCF they plunge in to all legal foods immediately.

In general GFCF foods are not legal on SCD. That is because we

eliminate all sweeteners except pure, filtered honey and we eliminate

starches--for example: no potatoes, no quinoa, no rice, no buckwheat

flour, no guar gum.

Our kids drink water or diluted legal juices (see list on

www.pecanbread.com). After a certain amount of healing, we can make

homemade nut milk. There are no commercial nut milks allowed on SCD.

Please read the resources that I mentioned about and then let us know

if you have any questions.

mom to --12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

How helpful was the diet? Thanks so much, Liz

julie46250 wrote: Hi, Liz,

First you need to get the book Breaking the Vicious Cycle and read

that. The website www.pecanbread.com has a huge amount of information

that you need to read. It also has recipes and links to other SCD

recipe sites.

On SCD we start with a limited number of foods that are very easy for

most people to digest. Then we all foods slowly, one at a time,

watching for reactions. This process helps to heal the gut by not

burdening it with foods that are beyond one's ability to digest. On

GFCF they plunge in to all legal foods immediately.

In general GFCF foods are not legal on SCD. That is because we

eliminate all sweeteners except pure, filtered honey and we eliminate

starches--for example: no potatoes, no quinoa, no rice, no buckwheat

flour, no guar gum.

Our kids drink water or diluted legal juices (see list on

www.pecanbread.com). After a certain amount of healing, we can make

homemade nut milk. There are no commercial nut milks allowed on SCD.

Please read the resources that I mentioned about and then let us know

if you have any questions.

mom to --12

SCD 4/23/04

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Hi, Liz,

We have had a lot of reports recently of improvements. You can go to

the archives and read old posts. It is a wonderful way to learn about

the diet, the issues involved, and progress.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/messages

Here are some accumulated parent reports:

http://www.pecanbread.com/new/reports1.html

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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My Mickie has been an it for two weeks now and has stopped stimming.

He is sleeping throught the night and is sleeping laying down. He used

to sleep sitting up and would wake up crying, giggling, running

through the house or sreaming. Even with melatonin he could not sleep

more then a few hours.

He is ten years old and stares at the christmas tree as if it was the

first time he'd seen it. He is also GFCF for las five years, that

stopped the diahrrea, but he had been having pain for years.

Zurama

Hi, Liz,

> First you need to get the book Breaking the Vicious Cycle and read

> that. The website www.pecanbread.com has a huge amount of information

> that you need to read. It also has recipes and links to other SCD

> recipe sites.

> On SCD we start with a limited number of foods that are very easy for

> most people to digest. Then we all foods slowly, one at a time,

> watching for reactions. This process helps to heal the gut by not

> burdening it with foods that are beyond one's ability to digest. On

> GFCF they plunge in to all legal foods immediately.

> In general GFCF foods are not legal on SCD. That is because we

> eliminate all sweeteners except pure, filtered honey and we eliminate

> starches--for example: no potatoes, no quinoa, no rice, no buckwheat

> flour, no guar gum.

> Our kids drink water or diluted legal juices (see list on

> www.pecanbread.com). After a certain amount of healing, we can make

> homemade nut milk. There are no commercial nut milks allowed on SCD.

> Please read the resources that I mentioned about and then let us know

> if you have any questions.

>

>

> mom to --12

> SCD 4/23/04

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