Questions of food sensitivites in Stages, and yogurt...

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

We have been on the diet since 10/20/07, and things have been moving

along ok. Mostly, I'm doing this diet to decrease the frequency of

my son's seizures, and help alleviate his constipation. There are

other things, too, but these are the main. I am aware of trying the

Vitamin K protocol for seizures, and the electrolyte drink for his

constipation. I haven't done either yet, but will, soon. I just

don't want to implement too much too fast.

In my opinion, we are going very slowly with introducing new foods.

Some were every 3 or 4 days, I think lately, it's been one per week.

On the diet, my son had a temporary, 2-week time of having bms every

2 days, instead of 4 days. This was great, and I was encouraged, but

it was short-lived. We seem to be back to every 4 days.

Things have been going so well generally, though, that on the morning

of Dec. 10, I gave him his first 1/8 tsp of goat yogurt. No

immediate differences noted. (he used to break out w/dairy) On 12/11

I gave him 1/4 tsp in the am, and that afternoon at school, and at

home before that, he had probably the greatest day in a long time!

His processing time was better, he was really verbal, great balance,

very low incidence of seizures...really great! 2 therapists and the

teacher had to come up to me to tell me what a great class he had!

Well, it didn't last long. The very next day, and the whole rest of

the week he's been doing sort of unusual behavior-type stuff, which

usually isn't him. He wakes up whiny, he's been licking his lips

constantly like a nervous habit, and tons of seizures, I even saw arm-

flapping at school yesterday! Crying a little while ago because I

turned on the water! " No water! No water! " This type of behavior is

very uncommon for him. He even fell down the stairs while climbing

them

(more upset than hurt by this..carpet at bottom, for that reason!)

Prior to the diet, he was having what we called a meltdown pretty

much every day at 3pm, but he's been doing so well, I forgot all

about them, until today. Same time, meltdown for no apparent

reason. Hard to tell if it's nothing, or something diet related.

Plus, the increase in seizures is very bothersome. (absence type)

I stopped the yogurt today 12/14. Would this sort of thing be die-

off, or maybe is he responding negatively to the chicken and/or

cooked/peeled tomatoes I've been giving him which he showed a stress

to prior to SCD? (finger test, not blood) I really don't have much to

go on for bad food reaction other than what seem like a subtle

increase in upper arm pimples and more seizures. But, I really don't

know if it was something I just gave him (yogurt)or other delayed

food sensitivity. Maybe he's been eating too much almond butter baked

goods? (high oxalate) Help!!

I thought of just waiting it out, and see how the next few days w/o

the questionable foods shakes out, but...I have a question related to

that:

If I know that prior to SCD he tested " stressed " to chicken, tomato,

avocado, for example, and since starting the diet I've slowly

introduced them again...w/o noticing probs earlier, can I move on,

just avoiding those now, or since now I am suspecting them again, is

he to be stuck in Stage 2 until it seems he can tolerate them? Or

maybe it's just the introduction of the yogurt? Can that small

amount over a couple days cause such probs? (die off?) Or is it a

food intolerance to goat yogurt?

In other words, I would like to begin adding foods from Stage 3,

specifically a few raisons in his birthday carrot cake next weekend,

or maybe shredded coconut, or the mashed faux-tatoes.

Because he's had some bad days which haven't really happened for him

yet on this SCD, I thought I would post it, and see if I can get any

direction on all this...thanks. I'm sorry it's not the most well-

versed question, it's hard to formulate a question out of all this,

it's rather complicated.

CJ

son SCD 10/20/07 DevelDelay, Seizure Disorder, Constipation.

[Guest guest]

,

If you didn't see any problems with the chicken and

tomatoes when you re-introduced them, and it has been

at least four days since you introduced those foods

(and four days between each food), then I think it can

definitely be die-off.

Many kids can't tolerate the amount you started with

-- 1/4 tsp in the a.m. and p.m. is a lot. I'd go back

to 1/4 tsp once a day and stick with that for a week.

See if the behaviors go away during that time. If not

decrease to 1/8 tsp and do the same thing.

Slow and steady is the way to go.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

************

--- wrote:

> Hi again,

>

> We have been on the diet since 10/20/07, and things

> have been moving

> along ok. Mostly, I'm doing this diet to decrease

> the frequency of

> my son's seizures, and help alleviate his

> constipation. There are

> other things, too, but these are the main. I am

> aware of trying the

> Vitamin K protocol for seizures, and the electrolyte

> drink for his

> constipation. I haven't done either yet, but will,

> soon. I just

> don't want to implement too much too fast.

>

> In my opinion, we are going very slowly with

> introducing new foods.

> Some were every 3 or 4 days, I think lately, it's

> been one per week.

> On the diet, my son had a temporary, 2-week time of

> having bms every

> 2 days, instead of 4 days. This was great, and I

> was encouraged, but

> it was short-lived. We seem to be back to every 4

> days.

>

> Things have been going so well generally, though,

> that on the morning

> of Dec. 10, I gave him his first 1/8 tsp of goat

> yogurt. No

> immediate differences noted. (he used to break out

> w/dairy) On 12/11

> I gave him 1/4 tsp in the am, and that afternoon at

> school, and at

> home before that, he had probably the greatest day

> in a long time!

> His processing time was better, he was really

> verbal, great balance,

> very low incidence of seizures...really great! 2

> therapists and the

> teacher had to come up to me to tell me what a great

> class he had!

>

> Well, it didn't last long. The very next day, and

> the whole rest of

> the week he's been doing sort of unusual

> behavior-type stuff, which

> usually isn't him. He wakes up whiny, he's been

> licking his lips

> constantly like a nervous habit, and tons of

> seizures, I even saw arm-

> flapping at school yesterday! Crying a little while

> ago because I

> turned on the water! " No water! No water! " This

> type of behavior is

> very uncommon for him. He even fell down the stairs

> while climbing

> them

> (more upset than hurt by this..carpet at bottom, for

> that reason!)

>

> Prior to the diet, he was having what we called a

> meltdown pretty

> much every day at 3pm, but he's been doing so well,

> I forgot all

> about them, until today. Same time, meltdown for no

> apparent

> reason. Hard to tell if it's nothing, or something

> diet related.

> Plus, the increase in seizures is very bothersome.

> (absence type)

>

> I stopped the yogurt today 12/14. Would this sort

> of thing be die-

> off, or maybe is he responding negatively to the

> chicken and/or

> cooked/peeled tomatoes I've been giving him which he

> showed a stress

> to prior to SCD? (finger test, not blood) I really

> don't have much to

> go on for bad food reaction other than what seem

> like a subtle

> increase in upper arm pimples and more seizures.

> But, I really don't

> know if it was something I just gave him (yogurt)or

> other delayed

> food sensitivity. Maybe he's been eating too much

> almond butter baked

> goods? (high oxalate) Help!!

>

> I thought of just waiting it out, and see how the

> next few days w/o

> the questionable foods shakes out, but...I have a

> question related to

> that:

>

> If I know that prior to SCD he tested " stressed " to

> chicken, tomato,

> avocado, for example, and since starting the diet

> I've slowly

> introduced them again...w/o noticing probs earlier,

> can I move on,

> just avoiding those now, or since now I am

> suspecting them again, is

> he to be stuck in Stage 2 until it seems he can

> tolerate them? Or

> maybe it's just the introduction of the yogurt? Can

> that small

> amount over a couple days cause such probs? (die

> off?) Or is it a

> food intolerance to goat yogurt?

>

> In other words, I would like to begin adding foods

> from Stage 3,

> specifically a few raisons in his birthday carrot

> cake next weekend,

> or maybe shredded coconut, or the mashed

> faux-tatoes.

>

> Because he's had some bad days which haven't really

> happened for him

> yet on this SCD, I thought I would post it, and see

> if I can get any

> direction on all this...thanks. I'm sorry it's not

> the most well-

> versed question, it's hard to formulate a question

> out of all this,

> it's rather complicated.

>

> CJ

> son SCD 10/20/07 DevelDelay, Seizure Disorder,

> Constipation.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi CJ,

>

>... Things have been going so well generally, though, that on the

morning of Dec. 10, I gave him his first 1/8 tsp of goat yogurt.

No immediate differences noted. (he used to break out w/dairy) On

12/11> I gave him 1/4 tsp in the am, and that afternoon at school,

and at home before that, he had probably the greatest day in a long

time!

> His processing time was better, he was really verbal, great

balance, very low incidence of seizures...really great! 2 therapists

and the teacher had to come up to me to tell me what a great class

he had!>>>>

This is a very good sign. It usually indicates that the yogurt is

being tolerated.

<<<<Well, it didn't last long. The very next day, and the whole

rest of the week he's been doing sort of unusual behavior-type

stuff, which > usually isn't him. He wakes up whiny, he's been

licking his lips constantly like a nervous habit, and tons of

seizures, I even saw arm-

> flapping at school yesterday! Crying a little while ago because I

> turned on the water! " No water! No water! " This type of behavior

is > very uncommon for him.....>>>>

It sounds as if you are seeing die off. The yogurt is very

powerful. It is full of good enzymes and bacteria. Even a teeny

amount like 1/8 tsp packs a huge punch. To give you an idea of how

to proceed with it: when I restarted yogurt last year I stayed at

1/8 tsp for about 5-7 days. My body was having a hard time

processing out die off toxins and the die off symptoms were

intense. I did epsom salt baths everyday. They helped a lot but

I was still very tired.

One of the reasons that the yogurt can cause such an intense

reaction is that the good bacteria are encapsulated. It's like

armour for the bacteria - it allows them to travel farther in the

body/gut where it can have a greater impact on clearing out the bad

microbes. The yogurt bacteria will have this effect, whereas

probiotics will not. And it does not matter how much probiotics

you were taking before (or now) because they won't travel as far in

the gut. With the yogurt it literally is 'new territory' that is

being acted upon so you will see die off if the yogurt is new *and*

when you increase the amounts at the beginning of the yogurt-

introduction period.

<<<<<I stopped the yogurt today 12/14. Would this sort of thing be

die-

> off, or maybe is he responding negatively to the chicken and/or

> cooked/peeled tomatoes I've been giving him which he showed a

stress> to prior to SCD? (finger test, not blood) I really don't

have much to

> go on for bad food reaction other than what seem like a subtle

> increase in upper arm pimples and more seizures. But, I really

don't

> know if it was something I just gave him (yogurt)or other delayed

> food sensitivity.>>>>

It sounds more like die off.

<<<If I know that prior to SCD he tested " stressed " to chicken,

tomato,

> avocado, for example, and since starting the diet I've slowly

> introduced them again...w/o noticing probs earlier, can I move on,

> just avoiding those now, or since now I am suspecting them again,

is

> he to be stuck in Stage 2 until it seems he can tolerate them? Or

> maybe it's just the introduction of the yogurt? Can that small

> amount over a couple days cause such probs? (die off?) Or is it a

> food intolerance to goat yogurt?>>>>>

Did you start the chicken/tomato/avocado at the same time as the

yogurt? As you increased the yogurt?

I think , especially if seizures are a symptom, that yogurt needs to

be introduced very slowly. Namely, stay at the same level for a

number of days and only slow increase it . Epsom salt baths are

very helpful for pulling the toxins out of the body. For cases

like yours skipping a day or two will also help the body process the

toxin removal.

Also on the days that you increase it helps to not add any new

foods. So if you go back to 1/8tsp stay at that for 4-5 days (at

least) if all is well on days 2-4 you could introduce one new

food. Once you know that the new food and level of yogurt is

tolerated then increase the yogurt to 1/4 tsp/day. You can either

split the yogurt to 1/8 in the morning and 1/8 in the evening or all

in the am. As he heals you may be able to shorten the times needed

to wait between each food and yogurt introduction. Generally, you

only have to go this slow at the beginning.

What really helps during this period is to keep a chart that tracks

the amount of yogurt/day and any new food. Record symptoms,

amounts of food and the date.

<<<<In other words, I would like to begin adding foods from Stage 3,

> specifically a few raisons in his birthday carrot cake next

weekend,

> or maybe shredded coconut, or the mashed faux-tatoes.>>>>

All of these are advanced foods and are probably too much for him

right now (they may delay or set back the healing process)

<<<<<Because he's had some bad days which haven't really happened

for him > yet on this SCD, I thought I would post it, and see if I

can get any

> direction on all this...thanks. I'm sorry it's not the most well-

> versed question, it's hard to formulate a question out of all

this,

> it's rather complicated.

>

> CJ

> son SCD 10/20/07 DevelDelay, Seizure Disorder, Constipation.>>>>

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Unfortunately due to poor sentence construction, I did give the impression

that I was giving it more than once a day. However, I was only giving it once

a day. :-)

Per Sheila too, all this strange behavior is probably due to die off from

yogurt, so I should go slower.

Thanks,

Cyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks for your comprehensive reply, it has shed a lot of light,

which I needed at this point. Especially for explaining how powerful

the yogurt is!

Because your initial comments seemed somewhat contradictory, though,

I would just like to clarify the following, please:

The first day I gave him the (1/8 tsp) yogurt, and he had SUCH A

GREAT DAY. That was most likely due to the yogurt, and it was a sign

that he tolerated it well, correct?

That night was when he started licking his lips, what seemed about

150 times, so it sounds like that could have been the beginning of

the die-off. The additional strange behaviors/increased seizures

started the next day and continued. (I thought maybe he ate some of

the fruit loops they were working with at school, but they assured me

he hadn't.)

By the way, today and yesterday, he's been w/o yogurt, and the

licking of the lips has drastically subsided; we would say he's back

to his normal self. Now that we learned how powerful it is, we have a

better understanding of die-off (and the yogurt)!

I read your info on the timetable for increasing the yogurt in days,

but you said,

" Once you know that the new food and level of yogurt is

tolerated then increase the yogurt to 1/4 tsp/day. "

So, do I do sort of like what we did this week? Give yogurt, if we

see weird symptoms/seizures increase, stop yogurt for a day or two.

Start yogurt again at same or lesser amount.

When I've given an amount for 4 or 5 days w/o increase in seizures or

strange behavior, either increase yogurt, or introduce new food,

correct? That means " tolerated? "

So, die-off will take place with the yogurt, but we don't really want

to see all the negative symptoms, so when we do, that's when we back

off?

To reply to some of your comments/questions:

We're old hats at the epsom salt baths. We have been giving him Epsom

salt baths 5-6 nights a week for about a year now, as a natural

detox. I've since learned that it helps in other ways, too.

I have been keeping a seizure/food/bm diary since the beginning,

10/20/07, and here are the dates I introduced the stuff that he

previously showed " stressed " response in testing:

10/20-10/21 --Introductory diet, chicken soup. Didn't write any

negative signs down, if I saw them.

10/21-- better language 2nd day, longer phrases

11/12 --cooked/peeled tomatoes

11/14--evening; had red, warm cheeks.

11/15-- morning; had red cheeks. Otherwise doing good, I assumed all

was ok w/tomatoes; hard to pinpoint what red cheeks were from. No

other negative symptoms

11/22 Thanksgiving; had food infractions: cooked cranberries, faux

potatoes

11/23 Lots of seizures! Probably 25-30 that I saw.

11/24 --1/2 raw avocado and cooked tomatoes.

11/25 --small cold? seizures less; more cooked tomato

11/28-- hardly any seizures at all!

11/29 --cooked/peeled red peppers

12/2--reacting negatively to avocado or chicken, or red peppers?

12/4 --Red pepper

12/8 not many seizures

12/9 -- chicken pancakes

12/10 --1/8 tsp. 24 hour goat yogurt (also had craniosacral therapy

this day)

12/11 --1/4 tsp. Goat yogurt, Great Day at School! cooked tomatoes

and you know the rest...of course he ate more than this of foods that

were ok for him on the test, I just wanted to list the foods in

question. I have backed off counting each seizure that I see,

because I realized that I am losing sight of the forest for all the

trees...

Oh, and I take it that I don't have to feed him ALL foods on each

stage to " graduate? " For example, we may not be able to do asparagus

and plums or pineapple. (due to price or salicylates)

Can we move on to Stage 3 in a bit? Since you said raisons and

shredded coconut were advanced, what is a good Stage 3 starter?

Almond flour, maybe?

Thank you so much,

CJ

> >

> >... Things have been going so well generally, though, that on the

> morning of Dec. 10, I gave him his first 1/8 tsp of goat yogurt.

> No immediate differences noted. (he used to break out w/dairy) On

> 12/11> I gave him 1/4 tsp in the am, and that afternoon at school,

> and at home before that, he had probably the greatest day in a

long

> time!

> > His processing time was better, he was really verbal, great

> balance, very low incidence of seizures...really great! 2

therapists

> and the teacher had to come up to me to tell me what a great class

> he had!>>>>

>

> This is a very good sign. It usually indicates that the yogurt is

> being tolerated.

>

> <<<<Well, it didn't last long. The very next day, and the whole

> rest of the week he's been doing sort of unusual behavior-type

> stuff, which > usually isn't him. He wakes up whiny, he's been

> licking his lips constantly like a nervous habit, and tons of

> seizures, I even saw arm-

> > flapping at school yesterday! Crying a little while ago because I

> > turned on the water! " No water! No water! " This type of

behavior

> is > very uncommon for him.....>>>>

>

> It sounds as if you are seeing die off. The yogurt is very

> powerful. It is full of good enzymes and bacteria. Even a teeny

> amount like 1/8 tsp packs a huge punch. To give you an idea of

how

> to proceed with it: when I restarted yogurt last year I stayed at

> 1/8 tsp for about 5-7 days. My body was having a hard time

> processing out die off toxins and the die off symptoms were

> intense. I did epsom salt baths everyday. They helped a lot but

> I was still very tired.

> One of the reasons that the yogurt can cause such an intense

> reaction is that the good bacteria are encapsulated. It's like

> armour for the bacteria - it allows them to travel farther in the

> body/gut where it can have a greater impact on clearing out the bad

> microbes. The yogurt bacteria will have this effect, whereas

> probiotics will not. And it does not matter how much probiotics

> you were taking before (or now) because they won't travel as far in

> the gut. With the yogurt it literally is 'new territory' that is

> being acted upon so you will see die off if the yogurt is new *and*

> when you increase the amounts at the beginning of the yogurt-

> introduction period.

>

>

> <<<<<I stopped the yogurt today 12/14. Would this sort of thing be

> die-

> > off, or maybe is he responding negatively to the chicken and/or

> > cooked/peeled tomatoes I've been giving him which he showed a

> stress> to prior to SCD? (finger test, not blood) I really don't

> have much to

> > go on for bad food reaction other than what seem like a subtle

> > increase in upper arm pimples and more seizures. But, I really

> don't

> > know if it was something I just gave him (yogurt)or other delayed

> > food sensitivity.>>>>

>

>

> It sounds more like die off.

>

>

> <<<If I know that prior to SCD he tested " stressed " to chicken,

> tomato,

> > avocado, for example, and since starting the diet I've slowly

> > introduced them again...w/o noticing probs earlier, can I move

on,

> > just avoiding those now, or since now I am suspecting them again,

> is

> > he to be stuck in Stage 2 until it seems he can tolerate them?

Or

> > maybe it's just the introduction of the yogurt? Can that small

> > amount over a couple days cause such probs? (die off?) Or is it a

> > food intolerance to goat yogurt?>>>>>

>

>

> Did you start the chicken/tomato/avocado at the same time as the

> yogurt? As you increased the yogurt?

>

> I think , especially if seizures are a symptom, that yogurt needs

to

> be introduced very slowly. Namely, stay at the same level for a

> number of days and only slow increase it . Epsom salt baths are

> very helpful for pulling the toxins out of the body. For cases

> like yours skipping a day or two will also help the body process

the

> toxin removal.

>

> Also on the days that you increase it helps to not add any new

> foods. So if you go back to 1/8tsp stay at that for 4-5 days (at

> least) if all is well on days 2-4 you could introduce one new

> food. Once you know that the new food and level of yogurt is

> tolerated then increase the yogurt to 1/4 tsp/day. You can either

> split the yogurt to 1/8 in the morning and 1/8 in the evening or

all

> in the am. As he heals you may be able to shorten the times

needed

> to wait between each food and yogurt introduction. Generally, you

> only have to go this slow at the beginning.

>

> What really helps during this period is to keep a chart that tracks

> the amount of yogurt/day and any new food. Record symptoms,

> amounts of food and the date.

>

>

>

> <<<<In other words, I would like to begin adding foods from Stage

3,

> > specifically a few raisons in his birthday carrot cake next

> weekend,

> > or maybe shredded coconut, or the mashed faux-tatoes.>>>>

>

> All of these are advanced foods and are probably too much for him

> right now (they may delay or set back the healing process)

>

>

> <<<<<Because he's had some bad days which haven't really happened

> for him > yet on this SCD, I thought I would post it, and see if I

> can get any

> > direction on all this...thanks. I'm sorry it's not the most well-

> > versed question, it's hard to formulate a question out of all

> this,

> > it's rather complicated.

> >

> > CJ

> > son SCD 10/20/07 DevelDelay, Seizure Disorder, Constipation.>>>>

>

>

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi CJ,

> > >

> > >... Things have been going so well generally, though, that on

the

> > morning of Dec. 10, I gave him his first 1/8 tsp of goat

yogurt.

> > No immediate differences noted. (he used to break out w/dairy)

On

> > 12/11> I gave him 1/4 tsp in the am, and that afternoon at

school,

> > and at home before that, he had probably the greatest day in a

> long

> > time!

> > > His processing time was better, he was really verbal, great

> > balance, very low incidence of seizures...really great! 2

> therapists

> > and the teacher had to come up to me to tell me what a great

class

> > he had!>>>>

> >

> > This is a very good sign. It usually indicates that the yogurt

is

> > being tolerated.

> >

> > <<<<Well, it didn't last long. The very next day, and the whole

> > rest of the week he's been doing sort of unusual behavior-type

> > stuff, which > usually isn't him. He wakes up whiny, he's been

> > licking his lips constantly like a nervous habit, and tons of

> > seizures, I even saw arm-

> > > flapping at school yesterday! Crying a little while ago

because I

> > > turned on the water! " No water! No water! " This type of

> behavior

> > is > very uncommon for him.....>>>>

> >

> > It sounds as if you are seeing die off. The yogurt is very

> > powerful. It is full of good enzymes and bacteria. Even a

teeny

> > amount like 1/8 tsp packs a huge punch. To give you an idea of

> how

> > to proceed with it: when I restarted yogurt last year I stayed

at

> > 1/8 tsp for about 5-7 days. My body was having a hard time

> > processing out die off toxins and the die off symptoms were

> > intense. I did epsom salt baths everyday. They helped a lot

but

> > I was still very tired.

> > One of the reasons that the yogurt can cause such an intense

> > reaction is that the good bacteria are encapsulated. It's like

> > armour for the bacteria - it allows them to travel farther in

the

> > body/gut where it can have a greater impact on clearing out the

bad

> > microbes. The yogurt bacteria will have this effect, whereas

> > probiotics will not. And it does not matter how much

probiotics

> > you were taking before (or now) because they won't travel as far

in

> > the gut. With the yogurt it literally is 'new territory' that

is

> > being acted upon so you will see die off if the yogurt is new

*and*

> > when you increase the amounts at the beginning of the yogurt-

> > introduction period.

> >

> >

> > <<<<<I stopped the yogurt today 12/14. Would this sort of thing

be

> > die-

> > > off, or maybe is he responding negatively to the chicken

and/or

> > > cooked/peeled tomatoes I've been giving him which he showed a

> > stress> to prior to SCD? (finger test, not blood) I really don't

> > have much to

> > > go on for bad food reaction other than what seem like a subtle

> > > increase in upper arm pimples and more seizures. But, I

really

> > don't

> > > know if it was something I just gave him (yogurt)or other

delayed

> > > food sensitivity.>>>>

> >

> >

> > It sounds more like die off.

> >

> >

> > <<<If I know that prior to SCD he tested " stressed " to chicken,

> > tomato,

> > > avocado, for example, and since starting the diet I've slowly

> > > introduced them again...w/o noticing probs earlier, can I move

> on,

> > > just avoiding those now, or since now I am suspecting them

again,

> > is

> > > he to be stuck in Stage 2 until it seems he can tolerate

them?

> Or

> > > maybe it's just the introduction of the yogurt? Can that

small

> > > amount over a couple days cause such probs? (die off?) Or is

it a

> > > food intolerance to goat yogurt?>>>>>

> >

> >

> > Did you start the chicken/tomato/avocado at the same time as the

> > yogurt? As you increased the yogurt?

> >

> > I think , especially if seizures are a symptom, that yogurt

needs

> to

> > be introduced very slowly. Namely, stay at the same level for a

> > number of days and only slow increase it . Epsom salt baths

are

> > very helpful for pulling the toxins out of the body. For cases

> > like yours skipping a day or two will also help the body process

> the

> > toxin removal.

> >

> > Also on the days that you increase it helps to not add any new

> > foods. So if you go back to 1/8tsp stay at that for 4-5 days

(at

> > least) if all is well on days 2-4 you could introduce one new

> > food. Once you know that the new food and level of yogurt is

> > tolerated then increase the yogurt to 1/4 tsp/day. You can

either

> > split the yogurt to 1/8 in the morning and 1/8 in the evening or

> all

> > in the am. As he heals you may be able to shorten the times

> needed

> > to wait between each food and yogurt introduction. Generally,

you

> > only have to go this slow at the beginning.

> >

> > What really helps during this period is to keep a chart that

tracks

> > the amount of yogurt/day and any new food. Record symptoms,

> > amounts of food and the date.

> >

> >

> >

> > <<<<In other words, I would like to begin adding foods from

Stage

> 3,

> > > specifically a few raisons in his birthday carrot cake next

> > weekend,

> > > or maybe shredded coconut, or the mashed faux-tatoes.>>>>

> >

> > All of these are advanced foods and are probably too much for

him

> > right now (they may delay or set back the healing process)

> >

> >

> > <<<<<Because he's had some bad days which haven't really

happened

> > for him > yet on this SCD, I thought I would post it, and see if

I

> > can get any

> > > direction on all this...thanks. I'm sorry it's not the most

well-

> > > versed question, it's hard to formulate a question out of all

> > this,

> > > it's rather complicated.

> > >

> > > CJ

> > > son SCD 10/20/07 DevelDelay, Seizure Disorder,

Constipation.>>>>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> > mom of and

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks again for the clarity; it really helps me during this time.

You had asked a question at the very end of your post that I am

responding to, plus now I'm curious as to the question: :-)

> <<<<Since you said raisons and

> > shredded coconut were advanced, what is a good Stage 3 starter?

> > Almond flour, maybe?>>>>>

>

>

> How are his bowel symptoms?

>

> If salicylates are a problem it may be better to use pecan flour

> instead.

>

>

His bowl symptoms are constipation. He generally goes every 4 days,

then it seems rather normal in how it looks. For a time in November,

I thought we had turned a corner with his constipation, because for 2

weeks, he went every 2 days like clockwork. However, since that

time, it changed back to every 4 days. I have been thinking I should

review what he was eating at that time, and what I introduced after

that may have changed things back. Do salicylates contribute to

constipation? It sounds like almond flour/butter is high in

salicylates...

If so, I think I should probably go with a gradual intro of the pecan

flour. I was thinking I would continue to use half and half of

almond butter and pecan flour for his birthday cake this Saturday.

This will be 7 days after our newly-revised goat yogurt trial this

week. Actually, maybe that's not such a good idea, because I was

going to attempt to decorate his cake with the beet extract food

coloring. That will probably count as his new food. Doh!

CJ

[Guest guest]

Hi CJ,

-- In pecanbread , " " wrote:

>

> Hi Sheila,

>

> Thanks again for the clarity; it really helps me during this

time.

> You had asked a question at the very end of your post that I am

> responding to, plus now I'm curious as to the question: :-)

>

>

> > <<<<Since you said raisons and

> > > shredded coconut were advanced, what is a good Stage 3

starter?

> > > Almond flour, maybe?>>>>>

> >

> >

> > How are his bowel symptoms?

> >

> > If salicylates are a problem it may be better to use pecan flour

> > instead.

> >

> >

>

> His bowl symptoms are constipation. He generally goes every 4

days,> then it seems rather normal in how it looks. For a time in

November,> I thought we had turned a corner with his constipation,

because for 2 > weeks, he went every 2 days like clockwork.

However, since that

> time, it changed back to every 4 days. I have been thinking I

should > review what he was eating at that time, and what I

introduced after > that may have changed things back. Do

salicylates contribute to> constipation? It sounds like almond

flour/butter is high in

> salicylates...>>>>>

Of all the nuts almonds are the highest. Pecans are the easiest to

digest of all the nuts and they are the lowest in salicylates. see

http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/Food/Salicylate.html

If you have a problem with a food behaviourally there is a

likelihood that it also contributes to the constipation. Some

factor isn't tolerated (in this case salicylates) and is not likely

food digested - furthering constipation. The good news is that

many people have reported that as their children start to heal on

the diet their salicylate sensitivities diminish and gradually

disappear.

<<<<<If so, I think I should probably go with a gradual intro of the

pecan> flour. I was thinking I would continue to use half and half

of > almond butter and pecan flour for his birthday cake this

Saturday.>>>>>

If you are already using the almond flour then this is a good

plan. If you aren't using the almond flour yet it is better to

just start with pecan flour/pecan butter.

<<<<<This will be 7 days after our newly-revised goat yogurt trial

this > week. Actually, maybe that's not such a good idea, because I

was > going to attempt to decorate his cake with the beet extract

food> coloring. That will probably count as his new food. Doh!

>

> CJ>>>>

If you just use the beet extract for a small portion of the frosting

(to write happy birthday etc.) then a tiny amount may not make a big

difference).

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

This is great information. Thank you very much. I will keep you all

updated on his progress.

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!

CJ

> >

> > Hi Sheila,

> >

> > Thanks again for the clarity; it really helps me during this

> time.

> > You had asked a question at the very end of your post that I am

> > responding to, plus now I'm curious as to the question: :-)

> >

> >

> > > <<<<Since you said raisons and

> > > > shredded coconut were advanced, what is a good Stage 3

> starter?

> > > > Almond flour, maybe?>>>>>

> > >

> > >

> > > How are his bowel symptoms?

> > >

> > > If salicylates are a problem it may be better to use pecan

flour

> > > instead.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > His bowl symptoms are constipation. He generally goes every 4

> days,> then it seems rather normal in how it looks. For a time in

> November,> I thought we had turned a corner with his constipation,

> because for 2 > weeks, he went every 2 days like clockwork.

> However, since that

> > time, it changed back to every 4 days. I have been thinking I

> should > review what he was eating at that time, and what I

> introduced after > that may have changed things back. Do

> salicylates contribute to> constipation? It sounds like almond

> flour/butter is high in

> > salicylates...>>>>>

>

> Of all the nuts almonds are the highest. Pecans are the easiest

to

> digest of all the nuts and they are the lowest in salicylates. see

> http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/Food/Salicylate.html

> If you have a problem with a food behaviourally there is a

> likelihood that it also contributes to the constipation. Some

> factor isn't tolerated (in this case salicylates) and is not likely

> food digested - furthering constipation. The good news is that

> many people have reported that as their children start to heal on

> the diet their salicylate sensitivities diminish and gradually

> disappear.

>

>

> <<<<<If so, I think I should probably go with a gradual intro of

the

> pecan> flour. I was thinking I would continue to use half and half

> of > almond butter and pecan flour for his birthday cake this

> Saturday.>>>>>

>

> If you are already using the almond flour then this is a good

> plan. If you aren't using the almond flour yet it is better to

> just start with pecan flour/pecan butter.

>

>

>

> <<<<<This will be 7 days after our newly-revised goat yogurt trial

> this > week. Actually, maybe that's not such a good idea, because I

> was > going to attempt to decorate his cake with the beet extract

> food> coloring. That will probably count as his new food. Doh!

> >

> > CJ>>>>

>

> If you just use the beet extract for a small portion of the

frosting

> (to write happy birthday etc.) then a tiny amount may not make a

big

> difference).

>

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>