Doing SCD for three weeks and BAD DAY today- HELP!

[Guest guest]

My son has been doing SCD and GF/CF for three weeks now after 9 months

of GF/CF alone and today has been VERY hard day-- lots of screaming,

running, hitting, and not following basic directions and very non

complaint...Is this die off from no sugar?? I gave the charcoal, epsom

salt bath and seemed worse not calmer...any ideas on what to do to

treat if this is die off== or maybe the empsom salt bath makes some

kids worse?? this is all so confusing and don't know what to do

next...he is 13 and can get very aggressive so i have to be so careful

with anything i do to make sure he stays in control and calm...your

help is always very much appreciated....

[Guest guest]

Hi, andressann,

Yes, epsom salt baths can make some kids more hyper. This post has

some information about that:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/61265

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

Great posting ,

My son has been crazy this week. I am trying to pull metals out of

his body along with trying to feed him a good diet w/o sugar. We

did eat alot of peanut butter last week and I was unaware of the

yeast it produces? I have heard so many times it gets worse before

it gets better, but its so hard and also so hard to convince family

members. I am also worried that to much protein is causing this too.

Tina

> Hi, andressann,

> Yes, epsom salt baths can make some kids more hyper. This post has

> some information about that:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/61265

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tina,

If you are doing chelation, that really messes up the gut and creates

an opportunity for the yeast to move in. It may not be the peanut

butter. However, experience has shown that peanut butter is harder to

digest for many people than we previously thought.

SCD is not a low carb diet. Please be sneaky about adding fruits and

veggies if your child doesn't like them plain. If you go to

www.fitday.com, you can use their calculator and find out the percent

of fat, carbs, and protein that your child is consuming.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

I am not doing chelation. My son eats tons and tons of fruits. I

almost don't want to buy it. I have been sneaking squash in

meatballs, and he loves the squash brownies, but they had pb in them.

Its so hard. I also take my son to a chiropractor/neuroligist. And

My sons body is really messed up. So I am not sure if his body is

reacting to the adjustments, since his body is getting inlined?

> Hi, Tina,

> If you are doing chelation, that really messes up the gut and creates

> an opportunity for the yeast to move in. It may not be the peanut

> butter. However, experience has shown that peanut butter is harder

to

> digest for many people than we previously thought.

> SCD is not a low carb diet. Please be sneaky about adding fruits and

> veggies if your child doesn't like them plain. If you go to

> www.fitday.com, you can use their calculator and find out the percent

> of fat, carbs, and protein that your child is consuming.

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tina,

I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I know

some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a treatment.

I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what they know

about bad behaviors following treatment.

I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but you could

try and see if it makes a difference.

Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and other

wise.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

[Guest guest]

I have heard of that therapy also. An Ot I know did it with her

daughter. At this point my son's feet were not responding properly

nor what his stomach muscles. Which shows that he has lessions in

his spine. which means there is interference inbetween the

sublaxations. Its all very hard to understand. I made the

meatballs with squash last night and he ate them.

>

> Hi, Tina,

> I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

know

> some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

treatment.

> I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what they

know

> about bad behaviors following treatment.

> I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but you

could

> try and see if it makes a difference.

> Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

other

> wise.

>

>

> mom to -12

> SCD 4/23/04

>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

How about green tea in the morning?

At night it might interfere with sleep. If that does not work,

try S Boulardii. The probiotic section of our website has info

about S Boulardii.

Mimi

> I have heard of that therapy also. An Ot I know did it with her

> daughter. At this point my son's feet were not responding properly

> nor what his stomach muscles. Which shows that he has lessions in

> his spine. which means there is interference inbetween the

> sublaxations. Its all very hard to understand. I made the

> meatballs with squash last night and he ate them.

>

> >

> > Hi, Tina,

> > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

> know

> > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> treatment.

> > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what they

> know

> > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but you

> could

> > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

> other

> > wise.

> >

> >

> > mom to -12

> > SCD 4/23/04

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

green tea for what?

> > >

> > > Hi, Tina,

> > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

> > know

> > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> > treatment.

> > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what

they

> > know

> > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but

you

> > could

> > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

> > other

> > > wise.

> > >

> > >

> > > mom to -12

> > > SCD 4/23/04

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Green tea is great for the symptoms of die off or bacterial toxins.

Mimi

> green tea for what?

> > > >

> > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

> > > know

> > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> > > treatment.

> > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what

> they

> > > know

> > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but

> you

> > > could

> > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

> > > other

> > > > wise.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to -12

> > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

So just use a plain green tea bag w/o sugar?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor

but I

> > > > know

> > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> > > > treatment.

> > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post

what

> > they

> > > > know

> > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies,

but

> > you

> > > > could

> > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky

and

> > > > other

> > > > > wise.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

That is what you can use.

However, if you have chemical sensitivities you might

want to skip the types with the bag.

If this is for more than just one bad day, then you might want

to buy the high quality ones.

Dr. Mercola sells this brand:

http://products.mercola.com/green-tea/

It is so expensive

There are other high quality green teas that are not so expensive but I cannot

locate

them right now.

This is another expensive one:

http://www.wulongforlife.com/?gclid=CMft6uKa1o8CFReQGgodjSbr8w

I hope that other listmates can find other brands. I just use

the ones from Whole Foods with bags. My daughter reports

that green tea makes her feel better after an infraction.

There is scientific research that indicates that green tea

helps with bacterial toxins. LPS (endotoxin) is one of the most

common bacterial toxins.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/112369676/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&\

SRETRY=0

Immune activation, either by cytokines or endotoxin, elicits a constellation of

nonspecic symptoms such as weakness, malaise, listlessness, fatigue, adipsia,

anorexia, depression and anxiety collectively termed as sickness behavior.

Further, endotoxin administration in animals has been implicated in the

pathogenesis of many types of liver disease. Green tea, a common household

drink, is rich in antioxidant polyphenols demonstrating inhibitory effects on

cytokine production. The present study was designed to investigate the effect of

chronic treatment of green tea extract (GTE) on lipopolysaccharide (LPS)-induced

sickness behavior and liver damage in rats. The hypothesis was tested through

the analysis of LPS-induced behavioral changes in rats, in plus maze and open

eld paradigms. Other parameters such as feeding and water consumption, weight

loss and organ weight index were also estimated. Liver function tests were

conducted to investigate the effect of GTE supplementation on LPS-induced

hepatic dysfunction. The results of the study demonstrated that GTE signicantly

attenuated LPS-induced sickness behavior as well as hepatic damage either by its

antioxidant activity or by inhibiting LPS induced cytokine production in rats.

Copyright © 2006 Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/5/1560

> So just use a plain green tea bag w/o sugar?

> >

> > Green tea is great for the symptoms of die off or bacterial toxins.

> >

> > Mimi

[Guest guest]

Mimi,

I know I should know more about it, but I am just green tea dumb. When you say

get some green tea, you mean in what form? How do you make it/use it? Sweeten

it? I know there are those bottles of pre-made green tea that have citrus and

several other chemicals in it, but can you get " green tea bags " ?

Bonita

Re: Re: Doing SCD for three weeks and BAD DAY today-

HELP!

Green tea is great for the symptoms of die off or bacterial toxins.

Mimi

> green tea for what?

> > > >

> > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

> > > know

> > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> > > treatment.

> > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what

> they

> > > know

> > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but

> you

> > > could

> > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

> > > other

> > > > wise.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to -12

> > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bonita,

I use " green tea bags " from Whole Foods. That would be fine

as a short term thing for a week or so. If you want to continue

using green tea then do research on the net for the really good

quality brands. You might then want to boil the tea and strain it.

The use of green tea for dealing with die off reactions is fairly

new to Pecanbread so we appreciate feedback from list members.

BTW, I did discuss green tea with Elaine and asked her if it

interfered with the vicious cycle and she said that it did not.

Mimi

> Mimi,

>

> I know I should know more about it, but I am just green tea dumb. When you

> say get some green tea, you mean in what form? How do you make it/use it?

> Sweeten it? I know there are those bottles of pre-made green tea that have

> citrus and several other chemicals in it, but can you get " green tea bags " ?

>

> Bonita

>

> Re: Re: Doing SCD for three weeks and BAD DAY today-

> HELP!

>

>

> Green tea is great for the symptoms of die off or bacterial toxins.

>

> Mimi

>

>

> > green tea for what?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a chiropractor but I

> > > > know

> > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after a

> > > > treatment.

> > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post what

> > they

> > > > know

> > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies, but

> > you

> > > > could

> > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies, sneaky and

> > > > other

> > > > > wise.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tina and Mimi,

When making the green tea use boiled water that has cooled a

little. The green tea will have higher antioxidant properties.

Hot water not boiling water.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a

chiropractor

> but I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve after

a

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will post

> what

> > > they

> > > > > know

> > > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the brownies,

> but

> > > you

> > > > > could

> > > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies,

sneaky

> and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > wise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

what to use to sweeten it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a

> chiropractor

> > but I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve

after

> a

> > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will

post

> > what

> > > > they

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the

brownies,

> > but

> > > > you

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies,

> sneaky

> > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > wise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

You shouldn't have to use anything to sweeten your green tea. It tastes yummy

just plain!

adtahoe wrote: what to use to sweeten it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a

> chiropractor

> > but I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve

after

> a

> > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will

post

> > what

> > > > they

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the

brownies,

> > but

> > > > you

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies,

> sneaky

> > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > wise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > > > SCD 4/23/04

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

I often drink the green tea straight up- no sweetener, but sometimes

I now add honey or legal sodium saccharine (Hermesetas)

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone who goes to a

> > chiropractor

> > > but I

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they always improve

> after

> > a

> > > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a chiropractor will

> post

> > > what

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > about bad behaviors following treatment.

> > > > > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut butter in the

> brownies,

> > > but

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > try and see if it makes a difference.

> > > > > > > > Keep working on getting him to accept the veggies,

> > sneaky

> > > and

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > wise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > > > > SCD 4/23/04

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I want to add that if you have a good quality green

tea, it will not taste bitter at all.

Some of the kinds in the sealed little tea bag

envelopes taste TERRIBLE and bitter. I bought a box of

what was supposedly white tea and it was too bitter to

drink. Guess that's why it was $2! I also do not like

Stash tea at all.

I have gotten the Bigelow organic green tea and Tazo

teas. They taste very good. I also have a selection of

loose green teas at home but I am not always able to

take the time to play with them properly.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

********

--- Sheila Trenholm wrote:

> Hi Tina,

>

> I often drink the green tea straight up- no

> sweetener, but sometimes

> I now add honey or legal sodium saccharine

> (Hermesetas)

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi, Tina,

> > > > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone who

> goes to a

> > > chiropractor

> > > > but I

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > some who do cranial sacral and they

> always improve

> > after

> > > a

> > > > > > > > treatment.

> > > > > > > > > I hope that someone who goes to a

> chiropractor will

> > post

> > > > what

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > about bad behaviors following

> treatment.

> > > > > > > > > I haven't subbed a different nut

> butter in the

> > brownies,

> > > > but

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > try and see if it makes a

> difference.

> > > > > > > > > Keep working on getting him to

> accept the veggies,

> > > sneaky

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > wise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > mom to -12

> > > > > > > > > SCD 4/23/04

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for this . Helps to know the science behind it.

Bonita

Re: Doing SCD for three weeks and BAD DAY today- HELP!

Hi, andressann,

Yes, epsom salt baths can make some kids more hyper. This post has

some information about that:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/message/61265

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04