transitioning from gfcf to scd- hlep me with my hang up!

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Ok, am I paronoid or what? I think the science behind SCD makes sense

and I really believe in it. The book made so much sense. But after you

have been gfcf and always hear about how fruit, honey- can cuase yeast,

I get a little nervous about having this on scd. My daughter does not

even have bad yeast issues, but it is always in the back of my mind

since it is an issue with so manykids. Can anyone share thier success

story moving from gfcf to scd and adding legal fruits in the diet????

Thanks,

Kath

[Guest guest]

hi my son was ongf/cf diet on and off for 5 years

transitioning to scd was the best thing we have done

for my son we have only added in pears,bananas, honey

but he loves these before scd we had bad yeast issues

but since starting yeast issues this has calmed down

no flare up for two months and my son eats alot more

melissaxx

mother to shane aged 7 autism, scd for 3 months

--- kkolackovsky wrote:

> Ok, am I paronoid or what? I think the science

> behind SCD makes sense

> and I really believe in it. The book made so much

> sense. But after you

> have been gfcf and always hear about how fruit,

> honey- can cuase yeast,

> I get a little nervous about having this on scd. My

> daughter does not

> even have bad yeast issues, but it is always in the

> back of my mind

> since it is an issue with so manykids. Can anyone

> share thier success

> story moving from gfcf to scd and adding legal

> fruits in the diet????

>

> Thanks,

> Kath

>

>

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We will be SCD for one month on the 20th. We were GFCF since the Spring. My

son is doing soooo much better since SCD! We had yeast issues on GFCF but so

far no big flare ups on SCD. It is honestly the best thing we have done for

him!

son, 3 yo,PDD-NOS,SCD since 11/20/07

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Ok, am I paronoid or what? I think the science behind SCD makes sense

and I really believe in it. The book made so much sense. But after you

have been gfcf and always hear about how fruit, honey- can cuase yeast,

I get a little nervous about having this on scd. My daughter does not

even have bad yeast issues, but it is always in the back of my mind

since it is an issue with so manykids. Can anyone share thier success

story moving from gfcf to scd and adding legal fruits in the diet????

Thanks,

Kath

[Guest guest]

Yeast is a huge problem for my daughter (and me, too), and she has had raw

fruits and honey virtually from week 1 of the diet, though less in the

beginning, pretty much because it took me awhile to get on top of baking. I was

in shock that yeast and riper fruits were allowed, too. It seemed quite

backwards to me, also. But, I trusted the anecdotal evidence and jumped right

in. You just have to trust the science--that what is legal is legal because its

structure is small enough to get digested properly, whereas the illegals are

larger and just sit in the gut fermenting and feeding the gut bugs. It worked

for us.

Nannette, SCD 27 months for IBS

daughter, , 15yo, SCD 27 months for autism

[Guest guest]

I'll add to this. By sticking to something easy to

digest, like honey, it literally vanishes out of the

digestive tract quickly. It can't stick around to feed

the yeast because it's already gone! Voila!

Other foods that require more digestion will sit in

your digestive tract for hours or days, giving the gut

bugs plenty of munchies in the process.

That is why the honey won't feed yeast, unless you use

a ton of it. I used to have a HUGE yeast problem...at

least, I was so addicted to sugar I could not stop

eating it. Now if I eat too much honey I feel sick and

I don't want any more. Bleh.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

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--- Nannette Silvernail

wrote:

> Yeast is a huge problem for my daughter (and me,

> too), and she has had raw fruits and honey

> virtually from week 1 of the diet, though less in

> the beginning, pretty much because it took me awhile

> to get on top of baking. I was in shock that yeast

> and riper fruits were allowed, too. It seemed quite

> backwards to me, also. But, I trusted the anecdotal

> evidence and jumped right in. You just have to

> trust the science--that what is legal is legal

> because its structure is small enough to get

> digested properly, whereas the illegals are larger

> and just sit in the gut fermenting and feeding the

> gut bugs. It worked for us.

>

> Nannette, SCD 27 months for IBS

> daughter, , 15yo, SCD 27 months for autism

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Hi Kath,

I was nomt GFCF before SCD, but I was following a pretty strict anti-

yeast diet, which also was sugar-free, about 95%. Two weeks into SCD,

I ate one piece of SCD legal pecan pie which made me sicker than a dog

for at least a week. My opinion is this: if you suspect yeast at all,

go verrrry slowly with any of the fruits and honey. It's all a

balancing act, and if there is no imbalance, a judicious use of fruits

and honey won't make matters worse. But overdosing on them will, and

doing so when you know there's a yeast problem, is just not wise at

all. Take it from the voice of experience.

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

6yo NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

> Ok, am I paronoid or what? I think the science behind SCD makes

sense

> and I really believe in it. The book made so much sense. But after

you

> have been gfcf and always hear about how fruit, honey- can cuase

yeast,

> I get a little nervous about having this on scd. My daughter does not

> even have bad yeast issues, but it is always in the back of my mind

> since it is an issue with so manykids. Can anyone share thier

success

> story moving from gfcf to scd and adding legal fruits in the diet????

>

> Thanks,

> Kath

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all of you for your replies! I do trust the

science and when you read a lot of the gfcf stuff, you

get nervous about the fruit. I just needed the

reassurance! I have been giving her very ripe

bananas and some honey and clementines and cooking a

lot of veggies and pureeing them. Since we have let

her have this, she has actually developed a better

appetite and her oral sensory issues have already

started to decrease. (and we have not even started

officially). The spaghetti squash recipe in the book

is awesome and she loves that too.

Thanks a million,

Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>

> I'll add to this. By sticking to something easy to

> digest, like honey, it literally vanishes out of the

> digestive tract quickly. It can't stick around to feed

> the yeast because it's already gone! Voila!

>

> Other foods that require more digestion will sit in

> your digestive tract for hours or days, giving the gut

> bugs plenty of munchies in the process.

>

> That is why the honey won't feed yeast, unless you use

> a ton of it. I used to have a HUGE yeast problem...at

> least, I was so addicted to sugar I could not stop

> eating it. Now if I eat too much honey I feel sick and

> I don't want any more. Bleh.>>>>>>

Some people with yeast problems can tolerate some honey. Others

like myself do not. I had a severe overgrowth and couldn't

tolerate even 1/4 tsp of honey/day when my overgrowth was at its

worst. I had to avoid honey for a very long time. Elaine wrote

that if yeast overgrowth does not respond to a regular SCD diet to

decrease honey by " at least 75% " . Once improvement begins a gradual

increase of honey is possible.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

> Some people with yeast problems can tolerate some honey. Others

> like myself do not. I had a severe overgrowth and couldn't

> tolerate even 1/4 tsp of honey/day when my overgrowth was at its

> worst. I had to avoid honey for a very long time. Elaine wrote

> that if yeast overgrowth does not respond to a regular SCD diet to

> decrease honey by " at least 75% " . Once improvement begins a

gradual

> increase of honey is possible.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

Sheila,

I am so glad you wrote this. I was feeling so *wrong* last night

when I read all the responses about honey and fruit and yeast

overgrowth because, after the pecan pie incident, I don't do so well

with sweets on the scd like I did before. I'm thinking about

experimenting with reintroducing honey and fruit in very small

amounts to see how I handle it/them. How did you know you were not

tolerating the honey? My symptoms are itchiness and a fuzzy feeling

in my brain. I'm wondering if it's all right to keep tiny amounts of

fruit and honey in the diet even with those symptoms? How do I know

how to increase, what to look for? How long did you wait between

increases of amounts? Also, when I did the anti-yeast diet, carrots

and beets are forbidden. On scd, carrots are a staple. Are they

also something that should be used minimally by those with yeast? I

noticed on the glycemic index beets are higher than carrots, I

think. I'm still trying to make sense of all of this.

Thanks!

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

6yo ds NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathe,

>

> > Some people with yeast problems can tolerate some honey.

Others

> > like myself do not. I had a severe overgrowth and couldn't

> > tolerate even 1/4 tsp of honey/day when my overgrowth was at its

> > worst. I had to avoid honey for a very long time. Elaine wrote

> > that if yeast overgrowth does not respond to a regular SCD diet

to > > decrease honey by " at least 75% " . Once improvement begins a

> gradual > > increase of honey is possible.

> >

> > Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> > mom of and

> >

>

> Sheila,

>

> I am so glad you wrote this. I was feeling so *wrong* last night

> when I read all the responses about honey and fruit and yeast

> overgrowth because, after the pecan pie incident, I don't do so

well > with sweets on the scd like I did before. I'm thinking about

> experimenting with reintroducing honey and fruit in very small

> amounts to see how I handle it/them. How did you know you were

not > tolerating the honey? My symptoms are itchiness and a fuzzy

feeling > in my brain.>>>>

I had those symptoms along with thrush, itchy rashes, diarrhea or

constipation, irritated/inflammed eyes.... These would get worse if

I ate honey....when I was at my worst with the yeast problem..

Once I started treating yeast I was able to tolerate a teeny amount

in homemade mayo. I tolerated a bit (1/5 of a ripe banana) of ripe

banana long before I retried honey.

<<<< I'm wondering if it's all right to keep tiny amounts of> fruit

and honey in the diet even with those symptoms?>>>>>

Try the fruit first and later try the honey seperately.

<<<<< How do I know

> how to increase, what to look for?>>>>

Start small and at most double the small amounts. Watch for any

change in symptoms. I think you had a reaction to the pecan pie

because it uses quite a bit of honey and I think (?) also pecan

pieces . If you have lots of yeast and can't digest larger pieces

of nuts they could also feed the yeasties.

<<<<< How long did you wait between

> increases of amounts?>>>>

No set time. I based it on improvement of symptoms.

<<<<<Also, when I did the anti-yeast diet, carrots

> and beets are forbidden. On scd, carrots are a staple.>>>>>

Carrots are a natural antifungal. When paired with garlic carrots

are very good against yeast. I made fresh carrot and garlic

juice. I filtered out the pulp because I couldn't digest the raw

fiber and that would have fed the yeast. As long as I cooked

carrots very well and pureed them they did not feed the yeast.

<<<<<Are they

> also something that should be used minimally by those with yeast?

>>>

The fresh juice is good - just strain out pulp. Before I had a

juicer i blended grated carots with lots of water and then filtered

out the pulp through a coffee filter.

<<<<<I

> noticed on the glycemic index beets are higher than carrots, I

> think. I'm still trying to make sense of all of this.

>

> Thanks!

> Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> 15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

> 10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

> 6yo ds NT, severe constipation

> All SCD since 11/4/2007>>>>>

In your case I think using the beets may not be a good idea right

now. I think if you start to tackle the yeast first the

constipation may start to improve. Later try a little cooked beets.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

> No set time. I based it on improvement of symptoms.

>

> <<<<<Also, when I did the anti-yeast diet, carrots

> > and beets are forbidden. On scd, carrots are a staple.>>>>>

>

>

> Carrots are a natural antifungal. When paired with garlic carrots

> are very good against yeast. I made fresh carrot and garlic

> juice. I filtered out the pulp because I couldn't digest the raw

> fiber and that would have fed the yeast. As long as I cooked

> carrots very well and pureed them they did not feed the yeast.

Again, thanks Sheila! Now I have another question: am I supposed to

be pureeing the carrots and the green beans and such? I haven't

been, just chewing really well. Also, my littlest guy is the one

who's (still) constipated. I wonder if I should start giving him

green tea during the day, and the carrot/garlic juice. Maybe that's

why he can't go without a suppository. He isn't in any pain or

anything--he just doesn't go by himself. When he was born, he was

slow to have his first bowel movement--shades of things to come?

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

10ys ADHD, bipolar

6ys NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

>

>

> <<<<<Are they

> > also something that should be used minimally by those with yeast?

> >>>

>

> The fresh juice is good - just strain out pulp. Before I had a

> juicer i blended grated carots with lots of water and then filtered

> out the pulp through a coffee filter.

>

>

> <<<<<I

> > noticed on the glycemic index beets are higher than carrots, I

> > think. I'm still trying to make sense of all of this.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> > 15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

> > 10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

> > 6yo ds NT, severe constipation

> > All SCD since 11/4/2007>>>>>

>

> In your case I think using the beets may not be a good idea right

> now. I think if you start to tackle the yeast first the

> constipation may start to improve. Later try a little cooked beets.

>

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathy,

>

> Again, thanks Sheila! Now I have another question: am I supposed

to

> be pureeing the carrots and the green beans and such?>>>>>

If there are still a lot of bowel symptoms

(diarrhea /constipation/gas...) then yes pureeing , especially

carrots and green beans may help.

<<<<<I haven't

> been, just chewing really well. Also, my littlest guy is the one

> who's (still) constipated. I wonder if I should start giving him

> green tea during the day, and the carrot/garlic juice. Maybe

that's > why he can't go without a suppository. He isn't in any

pain or> anything--he just doesn't go by himself. When he was born,

he was > slow to have his first bowel movement--shades of things to

come?

>

> Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> 15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

> 10ys ADHD, bipolar

> 6ys NT, severe constipation

> All SCD since 11/4/2007>>>>

If he is still constipated all his fruit and veggies should be

peeled and cooked. It may help his constip. if carrots and green

beans are pureed. What other foods is he eating?

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

> If there are still a lot of bowel symptoms

> (diarrhea /constipation/gas...) then yes pureeing , especially

> carrots and green beans may help.

>

> If he is still constipated all his fruit and veggies should be

> peeled and cooked. It may help his constip. if carrots and green

> beans are pureed. What other foods is he eating?

>

>Hi Sheila,

I have been peeling and cooking all his fruits and veggies all

along. I pureed some carrots for him tonight and he ate some, but

not all. I notice he mashes them himself anyway so I think pureeing

might catch on for him. He is eating applesauce, pearsauce, bananas

(but I've cut way back on those), carrots, green beans, spinach,

zucchini, pineapple, tomato, avocado, acorn squash, butternut squash,

garlic, green peppers, beets, eggplant, strawberries, and chicken,

beef, fish, pork. I think that's everything. When he has a bm, it's

beautiful (if that's possible), no sign of any problems except it

doesn't come out on its own. As an aside, my oldest has been having

regular bowel movements since the beginning of December every other

day *for the first time in his life that I can remember*. He

suffered from encopresis forever, it seemed, and at one point he was

on senna daily for six months after a short series of Fleet enemas at

home per his pediatrician. I am hesitant to take my littlest guy in

because I don't want them to get invasive, but I *wish* the diet

would start moving things along for him. I tried the prune juice

thing and he hated it. The one thing I found that did work was once

I gave him a cup of decaf coffee. He went 1/2 hour later. But I

don't want my 6yo getting a coffee habit, y'know? He craves the

sweet stuff, so I am sure yeast is a problem for him as it is for

everyone in my family. He also doesn't drink enough water--I am

always after him about that. As it is now, he goes about once a

week, and that's after a suppository. Any ideas?

Thanks for your insight,

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

10ys ADHD, bipolar

6ys NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathe,

The food list looks pretty good.

Have you tried the nut butter baked goods for the constipation.

When my yeast was bad they worked better than the cooked prunes or

prune nectar & OJ for my constipation.

It is great that your oldest son is seeing those improvements

already! With a little more healing hopefully your youngest will

soon follow suit.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

-- In pecanbread , " cathe616 " wrote:

>

<<<.... He is eating applesauce, pearsauce, bananas

> (but I've cut way back on those), carrots, green beans, spinach,

> zucchini, pineapple, tomato, avocado, acorn squash, butternut

squash,> garlic, green peppers, beets, eggplant, strawberries, and

chicken, > beef, fish, pork.....

<<<I tried the prune juice

> thing and he hated it. The one thing I found that did work was

once

> I gave him a cup of decaf coffee. He went 1/2 hour later. But I

> don't want my 6yo getting a coffee habit, y'know? He craves the

> sweet stuff, so I am sure yeast is a problem for him as it is for

> everyone in my family. He also doesn't drink enough water--I am

> always after him about that. As it is now, he goes about once a

> week, and that's after a suppository. Any ideas?

>

> Thanks for your insight,

> Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> 15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

> 10ys ADHD, bipolar

> 6ys NT, severe constipation

> All SCD since 11/4/2007

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Cathe,

>

> The food list looks pretty good.

>

> Have you tried the nut butter baked goods for the constipation.

> When my yeast was bad they worked better than the cooked prunes or

> prune nectar & OJ for my constipation.

>

> It is great that your oldest son is seeing those improvements

> already! With a little more healing hopefully your youngest will

> soon follow suit.

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

Hi Sheila,

Okay, I will try the nut butter/banana muffins again. He didn't care

for them but I haven't made them in awhile. I'll see if I can dig

out some other nut butter baked goods recipes. Maybe I'll use

another nut besides almonds--that's all I've used in that recipe so

far.

I made some walnut cookies last night with walnut butter. Served

with almond milk. He loved those, they're easy, maybe I'll make more.

New question: Can brazil nuts be used?

Thanks, I'll let you know when things start moving,

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

10ys ADHD, bipolar

6ys NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathe,

> >

>

> New question: Can brazil nuts be used?

>

> Thanks, I'll let you know when things start moving,

> Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> 15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

> 10ys ADHD, bipolar

> 6ys NT, severe constipation

> All SCD since 11/4/2007>>>>

Yes, brazil nuts can be used. I'd make sure the tough skins are

removed (blanched) and with the constipation either grind to a nut

butter or at least brazil nut flour.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and