swollen stomach and face... bloated and in pain... gasy?

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Hi

My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast-- started with 1

tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days. I know-- big screw

up... but HOW big?

He has had none since Thursday.

Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his stomach has gotten

bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier, organic food.

I attributed it to things dying in his gut, and toxins swelling him up.

But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't it be smaller?

He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and his face is swollen and

get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be yogurt-reaction?)

Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for days? (which it's been)... or

longer? weeks possibly? More?

I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4 epson salt baths (which

help him a lot), charcoal... herbs... homeopathics, etc. Prior to

yogurt, he wasn't needing these much anymore... now, we're back in the

bad place.

any light at the end of my tunnel?

PLEASE?

He has tripped and scratched his teacher today, and scratched his

brother;s face... and been in lots of pain./..

thanks

[Guest guest]

,

The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did you

introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

You need to go back to the intro diet. Introduce one

thing at a time with 2-4 days between each food. The

protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It could

be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the very

beginning my son could not eat regular bananas. During

stage 2 it was butternut squash.

You can't be sure what it is unless you do one food at

a time.

Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

************

--- Barbera wrote:

> Hi

>

> My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast--

> started with 1

> tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days. I

> know-- big screw

> up... but HOW big?

> He has had none since Thursday.

> Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his

> stomach has gotten

> bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier,

> organic food.

> I attributed it to things dying in his gut, and

> toxins swelling him up.

> But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't it be

> smaller?

> He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and his face

> is swollen and

> get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> yogurt-reaction?)

> Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for days? (which

> it's been)... or

> longer? weeks possibly? More?

> I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4 epson

> salt baths (which

> help him a lot), charcoal... herbs... homeopathics,

> etc. Prior to

> yogurt, he wasn't needing these much anymore... now,

> we're back in the

> bad place.

> any light at the end of my tunnel?

> PLEASE?

> He has tripped and scratched his teacher today, and

> scratched his

> brother;s face... and been in lots of pain./..

> thanks

>

>

>

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The yogurt reaction will go away after about a week.

It seldom stays longer than 10 days.

No one should start out with more than 1/8 of a

teaspoon. Since we asked parents to start out with

1/8 of a teaspoon, we have had very few bad reactions.

There is a big difference between 1/8 and 1/4 of a teaspoon

so please be careful. Did you drip the yogurt? That also

makes a difference. Please do not try the yogurt again until

further gut healing takes place.

I hope that your son feels better soon. it probably is a die off

reaction so try green tea and let us know if that helps.

Mimi.

> ,

>

> The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did you

> introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

>

> You need to go back to the intro diet. Introduce one

> thing at a time with 2-4 days between each food. The

> protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It could

> be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the very

> beginning my son could not eat regular bananas. During

> stage 2 it was butternut squash.

>

> You can't be sure what it is unless you do one food at

> a time.

>

> Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

>

> B.

> ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> ************

>

> --- Barbera wrote:

>

> > Hi

> >

> > My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> > I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast--

> > started with 1

> > tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days. I

> > know-- big screw

> > up... but HOW big?

> > He has had none since Thursday.

> > Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his

> > stomach has gotten

> > bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier,

> > organic food.

> > I attributed it to things dying in his gut, and

> > toxins swelling him up.

> > But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't it be

> > smaller?

> > He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and his face

> > is swollen and

> > get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> > yogurt-reaction?)

> > Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for days? (which

> > it's been)... or

> > longer? weeks possibly? More?

> > I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4 epson

> > salt baths (which

> > help him a lot), charcoal... herbs... homeopathics,

> > etc. Prior to

> > yogurt, he wasn't needing these much anymore... now,

> > we're back in the

> > bad place.

> > any light at the end of my tunnel?

> > PLEASE?

> > He has tripped and scratched his teacher today, and

> > scratched his

> > brother;s face... and been in lots of pain./..

> > thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Mimi,

She said the bloating happened BEFORE the introduction

of the yogurt. So I was more concerned that there are

food reactions going on here.

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

************

--- pecan post wrote:

> The yogurt reaction will go away after about a week.

> It seldom stays longer than 10 days.

>

> No one should start out with more than 1/8 of a

> teaspoon. Since we asked parents to start out with

> 1/8 of a teaspoon, we have had very few bad

> reactions.

>

> There is a big difference between 1/8 and 1/4 of a

> teaspoon

> so please be careful. Did you drip the yogurt? That

> also

> makes a difference. Please do not try the yogurt

> again until

> further gut healing takes place.

>

> I hope that your son feels better soon. it probably

> is a die off

> reaction so try green tea and let us know if that

> helps.

>

> Mimi.

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did you

> > introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

> >

> > You need to go back to the intro diet. Introduce

> one

> > thing at a time with 2-4 days between each food.

> The

> > protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It

> could

> > be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the very

> > beginning my son could not eat regular bananas.

> During

> > stage 2 it was butternut squash.

> >

> > You can't be sure what it is unless you do one

> food at

> > a time.

> >

> > Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

> >

> > B.

> > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > ************

> >

> > --- Barbera wrote:

> >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> > > I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast--

> > > started with 1

> > > tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days.

> I

> > > know-- big screw

> > > up... but HOW big?

> > > He has had none since Thursday.

> > > Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his

> > > stomach has gotten

> > > bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier,

> > > organic food.

> > > I attributed it to things dying in his gut, and

> > > toxins swelling him up.

> > > But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't it

> be

> > > smaller?

> > > He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and his

> face

> > > is swollen and

> > > get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> > > yogurt-reaction?)

> > > Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for days?

> (which

> > > it's been)... or

> > > longer? weeks possibly? More?

> > > I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4 epson

> > > salt baths (which

> > > help him a lot), charcoal... herbs...

> homeopathics,

> > > etc. Prior to

> > > yogurt, he wasn't needing these much anymore...

> now,

> > > we're back in the

> > > bad place.

> > > any light at the end of my tunnel?

> > > PLEASE?

> > > He has tripped and scratched his teacher today,

> and

> > > scratched his

> > > brother;s face... and been in lots of pain./..

> > > thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi ,

I do agree that food reactions might be playing

an important role in this case. The die off reaction

from the yogurt might have made the situation a bit

more difficult.

I just cannot stop myself from warning parents to

go slowly with the yogurt. This comes from my

memories about how we shocked the ASD world

with our recommendations for the use of goat yogurt

a few years ago. It is because I want to minimize the

die off reactions from the yogurt

If a kid on our list gets a bad reaction to eggs or some

other food that is allowed on GFCF, then everyone

is calm and aware that kids with ASD have many

sensitivities. No one tries to stop other kids with autism

from eating eggs if one kid gets a bad reaction to eggs.

Unfortunately, the yogurt is demonized because of

the ban against all dairy. Not all dairy is created equal.

I agree that milk from cows is bad for many people but

the SCD goat yogurt has brought so much healing to so

many children with autism. The casein has been altered

by the yogurt making process and has become harmless.

Even the smallest reaction to the yogurt used to scare the

DAN doctors.

I once advised a certain SCD mother to give her child the

yogurt. After eating the yogurt, the child quickly started to

recover from ASD but had

a runny nose from the yogurt. The child's DAN doctor

advised them to stop the yogurt. Who care if a 3 year

old has a runny nose if it brings a recovery from a lifelong

disability? Yet the DAN doctors are not scared from chelation

or other treatments that bring on much worse side effects.

I am glad that the bias is slowly going away because the yogurt

doubles the benefits of SCD!

Mimi

> Mimi,

>

> She said the bloating happened BEFORE the introduction

> of the yogurt. So I was more concerned that there are

> food reactions going on here.

>

> B.

> ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> ************

>

> --- pecan post wrote:

>

> > The yogurt reaction will go away after about a week.

> > It seldom stays longer than 10 days.

> >

> > No one should start out with more than 1/8 of a

> > teaspoon. Since we asked parents to start out with

> > 1/8 of a teaspoon, we have had very few bad

> > reactions.

> >

> > There is a big difference between 1/8 and 1/4 of a

> > teaspoon

> > so please be careful. Did you drip the yogurt? That

> > also

> > makes a difference. Please do not try the yogurt

> > again until

> > further gut healing takes place.

> >

> > I hope that your son feels better soon. it probably

> > is a die off

> > reaction so try green tea and let us know if that

> > helps.

> >

> > Mimi.

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did you

> > > introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

> > >

> > > You need to go back to the intro diet. Introduce

> > one

> > > thing at a time with 2-4 days between each food.

> > The

> > > protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It

> > could

> > > be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the very

> > > beginning my son could not eat regular bananas.

> > During

> > > stage 2 it was butternut squash.

> > >

> > > You can't be sure what it is unless you do one

> > food at

> > > a time.

> > >

> > > Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

> > >

> > > B.

> > > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > > ************

> > >

> > > --- Barbera wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> > > > I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast--

> > > > started with 1

> > > > tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days.

> > I

> > > > know-- big screw

> > > > up... but HOW big?

> > > > He has had none since Thursday.

> > > > Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his

> > > > stomach has gotten

> > > > bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier,

> > > > organic food.

> > > > I attributed it to things dying in his gut, and

> > > > toxins swelling him up.

> > > > But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't it

> > be

> > > > smaller?

> > > > He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and his

> > face

> > > > is swollen and

> > > > get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> > > > yogurt-reaction?)

> > > > Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for days?

> > (which

> > > > it's been)... or

> > > > longer? weeks possibly? More?

> > > > I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4 epson

> > > > salt baths (which

> > > > help him a lot), charcoal... herbs...

> > homeopathics,

> > > > etc. Prior to

> > > > yogurt, he wasn't needing these much anymore...

> > now,

> > > > we're back in the

> > > > bad place.

> > > > any light at the end of my tunnel?

> > > > PLEASE?

> > > > He has tripped and scratched his teacher today,

> > and

> > > > scratched his

> > > > brother;s face... and been in lots of pain./..

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mimi,

You are of course right. I haven't even tried the

yogurt yet and all of the stories about people

overdoing it in the beginning have scared me straight!

And I haven't even tried it yet! LOL!

I just didn't want the food reactions to get lost in

the shuffle.

Thank you,

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

**********

--- pecan post wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I do agree that food reactions might be playing

> an important role in this case. The die off reaction

> from the yogurt might have made the situation a bit

> more difficult.

>

> I just cannot stop myself from warning parents to

> go slowly with the yogurt. This comes from my

> memories about how we shocked the ASD world

> with our recommendations for the use of goat yogurt

> a few years ago. It is because I want to minimize

> the

> die off reactions from the yogurt

>

> If a kid on our list gets a bad reaction to eggs or

> some

> other food that is allowed on GFCF, then everyone

> is calm and aware that kids with ASD have many

> sensitivities. No one tries to stop other kids with

> autism

> from eating eggs if one kid gets a bad reaction to

> eggs.

> Unfortunately, the yogurt is demonized because of

> the ban against all dairy. Not all dairy is created

> equal.

> I agree that milk from cows is bad for many people

> but

> the SCD goat yogurt has brought so much healing to

> so

> many children with autism. The casein has been

> altered

> by the yogurt making process and has become

> harmless.

>

> Even the smallest reaction to the yogurt used to

> scare the

> DAN doctors.

> I once advised a certain SCD mother to give her

> child the

> yogurt. After eating the yogurt, the child quickly

> started to

> recover from ASD but had

> a runny nose from the yogurt. The child's DAN

> doctor

> advised them to stop the yogurt. Who care if a 3

> year

> old has a runny nose if it brings a recovery from a

> lifelong

> disability? Yet the DAN doctors are not scared from

> chelation

> or other treatments that bring on much worse side

> effects.

>

> I am glad that the bias is slowly going away because

> the yogurt

> doubles the benefits of SCD!

>

> Mimi

>

>

> > Mimi,

> >

> > She said the bloating happened BEFORE the

> introduction

> > of the yogurt. So I was more concerned that there

> are

> > food reactions going on here.

> >

> > B.

> > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > ************

> >

> > --- pecan post wrote:

> >

> > > The yogurt reaction will go away after about a

> week.

> > > It seldom stays longer than 10 days.

> > >

> > > No one should start out with more than 1/8 of a

> > > teaspoon. Since we asked parents to start out

> with

> > > 1/8 of a teaspoon, we have had very few bad

> > > reactions.

> > >

> > > There is a big difference between 1/8 and 1/4 of

> a

> > > teaspoon

> > > so please be careful. Did you drip the yogurt?

> That

> > > also

> > > makes a difference. Please do not try the yogurt

> > > again until

> > > further gut healing takes place.

> > >

> > > I hope that your son feels better soon. it

> probably

> > > is a die off

> > > reaction so try green tea and let us know if

> that

> > > helps.

> > >

> > > Mimi.

> > >

> > > On 12/17/07, S Bridges

> wrote:

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did

> you

> > > > introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

> > > >

> > > > You need to go back to the intro diet.

> Introduce

> > > one

> > > > thing at a time with 2-4 days between each

> food.

> > > The

> > > > protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It

> > > could

> > > > be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the

> very

> > > > beginning my son could not eat regular

> bananas.

> > > During

> > > > stage 2 it was butternut squash.

> > > >

> > > > You can't be sure what it is unless you do one

> > > food at

> > > > a time.

> > > >

> > > > Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

> > > >

> > > > B.

> > > > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > > > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > > > ************

> > > >

> > > > --- Barbera

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> > > > > I gave him too much yogurt too soon too

> fast--

> > > > > started with 1

> > > > > tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2

> days.

> > > I

> > > > > know-- big screw

> > > > > up... but HOW big?

> > > > > He has had none since Thursday.

> > > > > Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake,

> his

> > > > > stomach has gotten

> > > > > bigger, swollen, though he is eating

> healthier,

> > > > > organic food.

> > > > > I attributed it to things dying in his gut,

> and

> > > > > toxins swelling him up.

> > > > > But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't

> it

> > > be

> > > > > smaller?

> > > > > He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and

> his

> > > face

> > > > > is swollen and

> > > > > get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> > > > > yogurt-reaction?)

> > > > > Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for

> days?

> > > (which

> > > > > it's been)... or

> > > > > longer? weeks possibly? More?

> > > > > I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4

> epson

> > > > > salt baths (which

> > > > > help him a lot), charcoal... herbs...

> > > homeopathics,

> > > > > etc. Prior to

> > > > > yogurt, he wasn't needing these much

> anymore...

> > > now,

> > > > > we're back in the

> > > > > bad place.

> > > > > any light at the end of my tunnel?

> > > > > PLEASE?

> > > > > He has tripped and scratched his teacher

> today,

> > > and

> > > > > scratched his

> > > > > brother;s face... and been in lots of

> pain./..

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

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Hi ,

>

> Hi

>

> My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> I gave him too much yogurt too soon too fast-- started with 1

> tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2 days. I know-- big screw

> up... but HOW big?

> He has had none since Thursday.

> Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake, his stomach has gotten

> bigger, swollen, though he is eating healthier, organic food.

Since his tummy was swollen before the yogurt the problem isn't the

yogurt it is the food he is eating and/or the way it is prepared

(peeled, raw ..?). The yogurt may or may not exaccerbate the problem.

What foods is he eating and how are they all prepared?

This is a common reaction if certain foods aren't tolerated.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

The casein has been altered

> by the yogurt making process and has become harmless.

Is this also true if cow's milk yogurt (Dannon Plain Natural) was used

as the starter for goat's milk yogurt?

Thanks!

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

6yo ds NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathe,

>

> The casein has been altered

> > by the yogurt making process and has become harmless.

>

>Is this also true if cow's milk yogurt (Dannon Plain Natural) was used

> as the starter for goat's milk yogurt?

>

> Thanks!

> Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

> 15yo ds ASD, OCD, bipolar

> 10yo ds ADHD, bipolar

> 6yo ds NT, severe constipation

> All SCD since 11/4/2007>>>>

If you make 24 yogurt then yes all the casein will be denatured. If

using Dannon as starter: then for 1 litre (quart) of goat milk you'll

need 1/4 c of dannon yogurt . You'l have denatured cow casein (the

amount from 1/4 C) and denatured goat casein (the amount that was in 1

litre/1 quart).

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Cathe,

> If you make 24 yogurt then yes all the casein will be denatured. If

> using Dannon as starter: then for 1 litre (quart) of goat milk you'll

> need 1/4 c of dannon yogurt . You'l have denatured cow casein (the

> amount from 1/4 C) and denatured goat casein (the amount that was in

1

> litre/1 quart).

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

> mom of and

>

Thanks, Sheila. I was hoping that was the way it was. :~)

Cathe, yeast overgrowth, mom to:

15ys ASD, OCD, bipolar

10ys ADHD, bipolar

6ys NT, severe constipation

All SCD since 11/4/2007