Re: swollen stomach --please check my theory.. and critque!

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Thanks everyone for your input...

was in a VERY bad place when we began the diet--- this bad time started

in AUgust when needed dental work done (3000$$) including anestesia for

3 HOURS! He had a reaction for 3 days after THAT, then they pushed me into

trying fluoride, which he had not been on at all-- not even toothpaste...he had

had a very bad reaction to fluoride(drops and extra fluoride prescription

toothpaste)(took august to end of sept before my mom told me I got rashes as a

child when I took flouride drops), then he had prednisone(1st week Oct) to fix

THAT fluoride reaction (rashes, swollen etc.), then his stomach just continued

to get worse... and worse... we were one of those ACUTE people... on thwe way to

the hospital people...I never go to REGULAR doctors because, as past 4 months

demonstrates... they F!@^ him up every time. I l;isten to them, and live with

the results for months... every time. You'd think I'd learn by now... it has

happened since he was 2 months old... but I panic, want someone to tell me what

to do...and they do... and I suffer with my boy suffering... forever.

so I started in the middle of hell...swollen belly, bad nights... pain...

pain... asking me " doctor,,, hospital... medicine " as I am the one who always

fixes his pain... but I couldn't seem to do it this time.. not with anything I

know..and I know a bit by now...

then when we began diet, he got worse from die off... much worse... then, it

got better (about 22 days into diet, the hell got three shades better). stomach

was going down (but HAD been swollen from before diet).... no more bed wetting,

day-long screaming stopped... attacks almost gone.. then, I began GOAT yogurt

homemade... with goyurt. My gut says it's the yogurt... I don't think it's a

food, but I am going to cut back on selections to more basic choices until this

reaction dies down. I gave him 1 tablespoon of homemade goat yogurt (thinking I

WAS starting small) and within 1 hour, he attacked me... as before. But I am

DIEHARD STUPID... and didn't think that LITTLE AMOUNT could do this.. so I

figure it was a residual reaction to the whole thing... and gave him 2

tablespoons the next day... and the next 3 days... and here I am. THAT is why I

think it is yogurt, cuz I HAVE NOT INTORDUCED ANYTHING NEW during this new bad

turn time...

He his flipping now.. he is also not wanting to eat much right now... I think

nausea is back...

does my theory sound right????Please give me input. 5 days with little sleep,

wet sheets/blankets,etc. All I can say is, I must have done something horrid in

my past life for this to be my fate... but why must my son suffer?

No yogurt...and maybe by the end of this weekend.. he'll be back prior to yogurt

debacle? do u think?

(stopped Thursday... so Wed is 7 days...) this is wrecking my whole house...

life... its all I do... again...and now XMAS is looming.. wrapping.. stuff to

get do etc,

what a holiday for us all.

Take care!

mom of 3 - 5, 10 (ASD), Randy19

SCD since 11/14/2007

household SCD modified, but not all following

Re: swollen stomach and face... bloated and in pain...

gasy?

Hi Mimi,

You are of course right. I haven't even tried the

yogurt yet and all of the stories about people

overdoing it in the beginning have scared me straight!

And I haven't even tried it yet! LOL!

I just didn't want the food reactions to get lost in

the shuffle.

Thank you,

B.

ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

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--- pecan post wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I do agree that food reactions might be playing

> an important role in this case. The die off reaction

> from the yogurt might have made the situation a bit

> more difficult.

>

> I just cannot stop myself from warning parents to

> go slowly with the yogurt. This comes from my

> memories about how we shocked the ASD world

> with our recommendations for the use of goat yogurt

> a few years ago. It is because I want to minimize

> the

> die off reactions from the yogurt

>

> If a kid on our list gets a bad reaction to eggs or

> some

> other food that is allowed on GFCF, then everyone

> is calm and aware that kids with ASD have many

> sensitivities. No one tries to stop other kids with

> autism

> from eating eggs if one kid gets a bad reaction to

> eggs.

> Unfortunately, the yogurt is demonized because of

> the ban against all dairy. Not all dairy is created

> equal.

> I agree that milk from cows is bad for many people

> but

> the SCD goat yogurt has brought so much healing to

> so

> many children with autism. The casein has been

> altered

> by the yogurt making process and has become

> harmless.

>

> Even the smallest reaction to the yogurt used to

> scare the

> DAN doctors.

> I once advised a certain SCD mother to give her

> child the

> yogurt. After eating the yogurt, the child quickly

> started to

> recover from ASD but had

> a runny nose from the yogurt. The child's DAN

> doctor

> advised them to stop the yogurt. Who care if a 3

> year

> old has a runny nose if it brings a recovery from a

> lifelong

> disability? Yet the DAN doctors are not scared from

> chelation

> or other treatments that bring on much worse side

> effects.

>

> I am glad that the bias is slowly going away because

> the yogurt

> doubles the benefits of SCD!

>

> Mimi

>

>

> > Mimi,

> >

> > She said the bloating happened BEFORE the

> introduction

> > of the yogurt. So I was more concerned that there

> are

> > food reactions going on here.

> >

> > B.

> > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > ************

> >

> > --- pecan post wrote:

> >

> > > The yogurt reaction will go away after about a

> week.

> > > It seldom stays longer than 10 days.

> > >

> > > No one should start out with more than 1/8 of a

> > > teaspoon. Since we asked parents to start out

> with

> > > 1/8 of a teaspoon, we have had very few bad

> > > reactions.

> > >

> > > There is a big difference between 1/8 and 1/4 of

> a

> > > teaspoon

> > > so please be careful. Did you drip the yogurt?

> That

> > > also

> > > makes a difference. Please do not try the yogurt

> > > again until

> > > further gut healing takes place.

> > >

> > > I hope that your son feels better soon. it

> probably

> > > is a die off

> > > reaction so try green tea and let us know if

> that

> > > helps.

> > >

> > > Mimi.

> > >

> > > On 12/17/07, S Bridges

> wrote:

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > The bloating sounds bad, and not normal. Did

> you

> > > > introduce foods slowly as per the web site?

> > > >

> > > > You need to go back to the intro diet.

> Introduce

> > > one

> > > > thing at a time with 2-4 days between each

> food.

> > > The

> > > > protocol is on the Pecanbread.com web site. It

> > > could

> > > > be a food that doesn't agree with him. In the

> very

> > > > beginning my son could not eat regular

> bananas.

> > > During

> > > > stage 2 it was butternut squash.

> > > >

> > > > You can't be sure what it is unless you do one

> > > food at

> > > > a time.

> > > >

> > > > Is he taking other medications? Supplements?

> > > >

> > > > B.

> > > > ASD son, RA self, SCD Nov. 2007

> > > > http://scdgirl.blogspot.com

> > > > ************

> > > >

> > > > --- Barbera

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > My son,, is SCD for 34 days.

> > > > > I gave him too much yogurt too soon too

> fast--

> > > > > started with 1

> > > > > tablespoon, and went to 2 tablespoons in 2

> days.

> > > I

> > > > > know-- big screw

> > > > > up... but HOW big?

> > > > > He has had none since Thursday.

> > > > > Since the diet, even before yogurt mistake,

> his

> > > > > stomach has gotten

> > > > > bigger, swollen, though he is eating

> healthier,

> > > > > organic food.

> > > > > I attributed it to things dying in his gut,

> and

> > > > > toxins swelling him up.

> > > > > But... it has been over 4 weeks... shouldn't

> it

> > > be

> > > > > smaller?

> > > > > He is not fat, yet, his belly is huge...and

> his

> > > face

> > > > > is swollen and

> > > > > get sudden blotchy-ness (could this be

> > > > > yogurt-reaction?)

> > > > > Can yogurt reaction be VEREY rough? for

> days?

> > > (which

> > > > > it's been)... or

> > > > > longer? weeks possibly? More?

> > > > > I am so upset for him.. we are back to 3-4

> epson

> > > > > salt baths (which

> > > > > help him a lot), charcoal... herbs...

> > > homeopathics,

> > > > > etc. Prior to

> > > > > yogurt, he wasn't needing these much

> anymore...

> > > now,

> > > > > we're back in the

> > > > > bad place.

> > > > > any light at the end of my tunnel?

> > > > > PLEASE?

> > > > > He has tripped and scratched his teacher

> today,

> > > and

> > > > > scratched his

> > > > > brother;s face... and been in lots of

> pain./..

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

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Hi, ,

What a nightmare all of this must have been and is for you and ,

. With the whole story now, I think you are right. His bloated

stomach is from pre-SCD, was going down, and now a bad reaction to too

much yogurt. Mimi suggested green tea, so please try that, continue

with the Epsom salt baths, maybe some activated charcoal (away from

meals and supplements); the simpler foods may help. I hope

gets back on an even keel soon. Please let us know.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Thanks again...

I am relieved you agree with my theory.

Last night, he moaned and was violent... and the MOST swollen ever... but he

only wet the bed one time (twice a night for past 3 nights... )which from the

initial die-off, was the beginning of a better time,.. (the going back to 1

bedwetting over two... (isn't sad what we can see as a positive change?!?!?!? I

am so screwed up in the head... LOL)) we were upstairs... then down... then

up... then down... then up...

All the usual stuff didn't help... so I stopped giving more of than..and

tried...

1- I massaged his belly from one side, then the other for an hour while using

hot water bottle for comfort...and the hardness broke up a little..and some gas

came...

2- and made a GREEN tea and a TUMMY MINT tea combo and syringed it in his mouth

(4 oz with the 2 tea bags )..and he immediately burped several times....

3- stood on one foot and clucked like a chicken..(I think this was the real

cure-all)

and by 630 am we were finally sleeping like... people.

now.. I have two kids home... I feel I need to keep close to me

today...and (5 yr old) is exhausted and beginning to get sick... from

lack of sleep?@?

SO... gotta go.. troops are hungry.

No moaning right now.. seems more... happy? content? so far....(I wait..

for the other foot to fall...)

Did we turn a corner last night?? PRAY we did! I am!

Take care!

mom of 3 - 5, 10 (ASD), Randy19

SCD since 11/14/2007

household SCD modified, but not all following

Re: swollen stomach --please check my theory.. and

critque!

Hi, ,

What a nightmare all of this must have been and is for you and ,

. With the whole story now, I think you are right. His bloated

stomach is from pre-SCD, was going down, and now a bad reaction to too

much yogurt. Mimi suggested green tea, so please try that, continue

with the Epsom salt baths, maybe some activated charcoal (away from

meals and supplements); the simpler foods may help. I hope

gets back on an even keel soon. Please let us know.

mom to -12

SCD 4/23/04

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Hi ,

<<<<<.. attacks almost gone.. then, I began GOAT yogurt homemade...

with goyurt. My gut says it's the yogurt... I don't think it's a

food, but I am going to cut back on selections to more basic choices

until this reaction dies down.>>>>>

That is a very good idea - that should help him clear out the die

off toxins sooner. (Did you mean yogurt or is 'goyurt' a type of

yogurt starter?)

<<<< I gave him 1 tablespoon of homemade goat yogurt (thinking I WAS

starting small) and within 1 hour, he attacked me... as before. But

I am DIEHARD STUPID... and didn't think that LITTLE AMOUNT could do

this.. so I figure it was a residual reaction to the whole thing...

and gave him 2 tablespoons the next day... and the next 3 days...

and here I am.>>>>>>

It would have been best to start with 1/8 tsp or *less* for your

case. 1/8 tsp is about 1.9 billion CFU's of good bacteria. 1 tsp

is about 15 billion CFU's of good bacteria. And 1 tablespoon is

about 45 billion CFU's of good bacteria.

It sounds as if he has trouble processing the toxins out of his

body. When you retry the yogurt start with a teeney, tiny amount

but wait until all of his symptoms subside again. You could start

with 1/8 tsp or less. To start with less: mix 1/8 tsp of yogurt in

1 cup of water and measure out 1 tbsp of the water/yogurt mixture.

If you see no increase in negative symptoms then double that amount

until he is using the full 1 cup of water/1/8 tsp of oat

yogurt /day. With his issues it may take quite a while to

gradually work up to a full dose of yogurt. It helps to think of

the yogurt as a very strong medicine that the body has to get used

to. If he takes probiotics 1/8 tsp may be a good starting point

for him otherwise the water method may be best. To get a comparable

idea Elaine only recommended starting with a maximum of 3 billion

CFU's/day in a probiotic. The yogurt is far stronger than any

probiotic. If you see any negative symptoms when you restart like

this please let me know and we can try to 'decipher' what is

happening.

<<<<<THAT is why I think it is yogurt, cuz I HAVE NOT INTORDUCED

ANYTHING NEW during this new bad turn time...

> He his flipping now.. he is also not wanting to eat much right

now... I think nausea is back...>>>>>

epsom salt baths may help with the nausea. Weak homemmade ginger

tea (fresh cut up ginger (1 T) with boiling water steep then strain

out ginger) may help with nausea but with his strong reactions it

may be best to avoid a new food for now and stick with epsom salt

baths.

<<<<<No yogurt...and maybe by the end of this weekend.. he'll be

back prior to yogurt debacle? do u think?

> (stopped Thursday... so Wed is 7 days...) this is wrecking my

whole house... life... its all I do... again...and now XMAS is

looming.. wrapping.. stuff to get do etc,

> what a holiday for us all.

>

>

> Take care!

>

>

> mom of 3 - 5, 10 (ASD), Randy19

> SCD since 11/14/2007

> household SCD modified, but not all following>>>>>>

Yes, he should be getting through the worst of it by the end of the

week. Try the baths unless he reacts bad to them in the past. If

he does activated charcoal may help.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23yrs, PCOD 22yrs

mom of and