Re: Re: best treatment for autism

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It has been said by some that all our kids who have comprimised immune systems have worms. they simply have a good home in a immune defiecient body..I suscribe to that theory and am fighting worms every full moon that I get the chance.

I went to a doctor once to test for worms in my son. that was about as useful as all the other tests my son has ever had thru a doctor.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:55 PMSubject: Re: best treatment for autism

Hi no , we didn't do anything against worms so far. Is there an easy way to diagnose worms ?And yes, you hit the point: hyperactivity and loud vocal stimming is now our main issue. He has started school this year but has to leave the classroom for most of the time since he is too loud.We are helpless and dont know what to do, how to calm him down :(Mesut> > > >

> > > > > I have some people emailing me off list on what is the best course to take, but I like to share with everyone. I have actually wrote a book, and will one day publish it. I am not sure why I keep putting it off, since I finished writing it 3 years ago. But, anyhow, I want to share some tips because many did this for me.> > > > > > > > > > After 6 years of research, I would have to say that mercury is the main contributor. But. . . many report dumping mercury and other toxins when they treat for worms, viruses, bacteria, etc. so chelation is not the only way. Some people report that treating for pathogens rids more toxins than chelation. I am not voting, just repeating. If I had to do it all over again, with my same knowledge now, I would skip some treatments that were too much too soon. Recovery is quicker when you go slower. I would also focus more in homeopathy. Getting the immune

system rebalanced is very difficult, and I had to learn to and still do, ignore the junk medical reports in the newspaper and the typical thinking that bacteria can be killed with a couple of weeks of antibiotics in unhealthy folks. Chronic conditions are a totally different thing. They need chronic (long-term) treatments. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not acting alone. There are pathogens involved, pleomorphic without a doubt. Pleomorphic means the pathogen changes to overcome and adapt to it's environment. This is the only thing that can explain why our children respond for a few days or weeks or even months to a treatment, and then the symptoms return. Also, this explains why they fluctuate in and out of symptoms. I think the mercury's lead role is that it hampers our bodies, allowing these pleomorphic pathogens to take over. When we are healthy, they can not. They are not as strong as HIV, which is also

pleomorphic. And keep in mind that HIV takes years to create symptoms, which is often seen in other pleomorphic pathogens. > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep in mind about opportunistic infections. These are germs we all have all the time, but our immune system fights them off unless we have immune stress or something weakening our immune system. Common ones seen are Strep., Clostridia Diff., yeast, protozoa of many different types, etc. The Pleomorphic pathogens are Lyme, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, XMRV, and more of course. Those of you who know about Herpes, you know that it comes and goes. They call it latent when you don't have the bumps or cold sores. Anyhow, there are many Herpes-types of viruses that don't cause any bumps at all, but are associated with chronic fatigue, mood swings, immune system issues, etc. Many people test positive for Lyme who don't have symptoms, which we would refer to as having a latent

infection. > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, symptoms can only come from a few things: two main things are inflammation blocking blood flow and digestion issues. If you look at many of our kids, in reality they are kind of like drunk people. They slur their words, are clumsy, are smart, but can't keep their thoughts together to carry out everyday tasks (also notice many have green tinge to their skin around their nose and mouth which means low oxygen). So, it's complicated, but this is all due to lack of oxygen and nerves communicating. If you Google, you will find that those with autism always measure having abnormally low blood flow in the brain, which is reflected in those machines which show blue or red or yellow colored images indicating blood-flow. Thus, get the blood flowing to the brain. You can do this short-term by treating for inflammation, blood-thinners, blood vessel dilators, etc. Long-term will be

to kill the pathogens causing the inflammation, which will take a long time because since their immune systems are weak, they will need much more help than a smidgeon of anti-microbials. > > > > > > > > > > The other thing causing symptoms is this. The body needs many nutrients to work correctly. Due to damage, genetics, poor digestion, and microbial and toxin loads, the nutrients are not being absorbed into the cells, and mostly not into the brain cells. This could be from inflammation, pathogens consuming the nutrients, pathogens disrupting the nutrients, toxins taking the place of nutrient receptors, and uneven digestion. > > > > > > > > > > Neurotransmitters tell our brain how to work. Amino acids make our neurotransmitters. Digestion makes and absorbs our amino acids and nutrients. Thus, our digestion is a main dictator of our neurotransmitter balance. Uneven digestion

means uneven neurotransmitters. Keep in mind that psych meds are meant to lower or increase certain neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters tell us our moods, and one only has to ponder on the female's menstruation's affect on moods to understand how we can be deeply effected. Thus, get the digestion as even as possible, which is currently being done by probiotics (only certain brands will noticeably work), digestive enzymes, and many supplements that aid in digestion and decrease the gastro lining's inflammation which of course is a main reason for the digestion problems. These are short-term; long-term is to rid the toxins and pathogens. Keep in mind that all the body systems are too over-whelmed to rid toxins, which is why they are stock-piling in the first place. Thus, support for the liver will be needed, but is actually done by all kinds of gentle things. Also, keep in mind that the body can not rid the pathogens and toxins when it's not working

correctly which is similar to why people can not overcome an infection even on antibiotics if their immune system is overly stressed. > > > > > > > > > > My trick was to help the body in lots of of ways to all add up. So, we went totally organic in food and products, removed carpeting, and avoid all smells (car exhaust, perfumes, candles, etc.). This lowers their toxin input. It's more difficult to rid toxins when they keep stock-piling them from food and their environment. > > > > > > > > > > The digestion is treated with several long-term, gentle things, from probiotics, to digestive enzymes, to gentle anti-inflammatories (fish oil, turmeric, and there are many). Then what you have to do is add the correct nutrients. They can not absorb nutrients correctly, so you need to buy certain vitamins and multivitamins. Your doc will have a company he likes. Most B vitamins seem to be

needed in addition to the multivitamin choice, as well as Vitamin D. Some also like to give lots of Vitamin E. Each doc has their own views. Anyhow, then gentle, slow-acting antimicrobials seem to work best, since too much will overwhelm them, causing the release of more toxins then they can rid, so they will then be recirculated -- yikes! So, this is why people take nerve protectors and binders to absorb toxins. > > > > > > > > > > It appears that all pathogen types need to be treated (worms, virus, protozoa, bacteria, etc.) Every health practitioner has their own ways, and one way is not really better than the other. You have got to get the fine tuning down. For example, if you stop giving your child wheat, but allow him to have soda pop, don't expect change. Plus, your child may be getting wheat and you don't know about it. I have caught teachers giving my children wheat even after I had docs notes for them not

to. So, that is another issue. I had one babysitter who kept giving my child apple juice even after I told her he was allergic to apples. She denied it, but I tasted his sippy cup to be sure, and then she said, "It's only a little bit." > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's see what else. Most antimicrobials will bring worse symptoms before they rid symptoms. Most stop when they see a worsening, and say, "See, it didn't work." But, this is why you always learn about everything you do, so you know what to expect from each thing. For example, sometimes fish oil kills bacteria, causing some to get tics. a person may panic and stop, not knowing the good it's doing. Or they may not know that the research on fish oil showed it took months to show a decrease in ADHD symptoms. So, one may give it a few weeks, see nothing and give up on it, not knowing it works slowly over time. So, the real issue in being successful is reading your

butt off and asking your doc lots of questions so you know how to use what you selected, correctly. > > > > > > > > > > Now, there are those with genetic issues impeding progress, so I am not saying that all should get good results. But, I will say that most can get good results. As I have said many times, the real way to get success is to seek out those with success. There are many health practitioners now who are doing autism recovery. Just want to add that there are always exceptions in that everything needs to be done correctly, and that some will be allergic or not tolerable to a certain treatment. This is why it's always best to remind everyone to seek out a knowledgeable health care practitioner to get direct advice. > > > > > > > > > > I know that finances are a big problem, but with searching and planning, most will be able to manage getting their goals met; it may just

take a lot longer than if they were loaded with money, of course. If you want my take on HBOT or stem cells or other any kind of treatment, I think it still comes back to doing what the successful practitioners say to do. Some will always respond well and some will not, and a good practitioner will hopefully guide you with their knowledge. Anything with the ability to reduce inflammation, increase oxygen flow, and kill pathogens and rid toxins, can help if it can be done safely. Thus, not so much the treatment choice, but more the practitioner choice and doing the treatment correctly. My method was doing many small things together to get the body assisted to work correctly. > > > > > > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >

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Parasites live everywhere in our body including the blood but most in our digestive truck!!! They love sugar, milk, cheese,soy and above all they love carbohydrates and junk food so u can get rid by changing diet include garlic in food and many other herbs and food which are natural anti parasites and always remember the gut is the second biggest organ in humans so we ve our work cut out... Which is why I guess dr suggest a good two yrs on gapsSent from my iPhone

"Starving the worms" by going on full liquid diet Heidi?I don't think that will work. This would work if worms were depending upon food that you eat. But they may bedirectly sucking your blood. Why would they starve? But you can starve candida.Ratan.--------------Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 4022609, 098281 99856, mail: ratanpsych@..., Consultant in Nutritional & Neuro-behavioural Psychology, Jaipur Hospital- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India; Member ISOM- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA);- www.RegainMentalHealth.com/ www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealthTo: mb12valtrex From: allrpossible@...Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:59:20 -0500Subject: Re: best treatment for autism

Google in your German language, "Dietrich Klinghardt autism Lyme" . He

is definitely one of the best docs in the world. That website will also

help you find other docs in Germany if the waiting list is too long for him.

What worked for my kids was doing several things at the same time. I

love Houston's Sacch. Boulardii and MB12 powder, but not their digestive

enzymes, except for the fact that they're chewable. But, they are

probably not the problem. The problem is not having enough of other

stuff. We used turmeric as our anti-flammatory, plus also cod liver

oil, plus also Mindlinx by Pharmax, plus a digestive enzyme. This

stopped their chronic diarrhea. You see all what I mentioned aids in

digestion. So, it's helping it from several angles. We never really

chelated either. But, I am currently using time-release apha lipoic

acid. I suggest considering worms when one has a large appetite. I

have used many things for worms, and nothing really works except for

starving them by using an all liquid diet which we can't do on our

kids. People are using a plan that lasts a couple of years to rid

worms, usually entailing several products, keeping in mind that some

worm products may be hard on the liver. Dr. Klinghardt will help you

with all of this.

Heidi N

Dear Heidi

you have made a brilliant summary below.

I also do believe that digestion is one of the key parameters here.

My son, now 7, is a non-responder to everything we tried in Biomeds (a

lot of Supplements, Neurofeedback, Tomatis, ...). We did not do

chelation since he has G6PD Enzyme deficiency, which contraindicates

with Sulphur drugs.

However, one thing is very remarkable: he is eating more than I do, i.e.

he can eat two full plates of meal, but still is not gaining weight. He

is 7 yrs old but around 20 kg weight since the last 2 years.

He is also a little hyperaktiv but I still sthink this weight issue has

to do with proper digestion. If he can't digest, he can't get the

aminoacids, he can't get the neurotransmitters and so on.

We have tried TriEnza as digestive enzyme which made him maybe a little

more hyperactiv but we also did not see improvement after this initial

"worsening".

My question is : how to undersatnd where the problem with digestion is ?

and then, which enzyme would best fit.

Woud you have any advise on this ?

In Germany , where I live, we have only two Doctors that are (almost)

following DAN! protocols. My feeling is that they are very much

conservative compared to what I read in various Autism forums.

In addition, many medications or supplements that are prescribed in US,

are not available in Germany (or forbidden to use for Children).

cheers

Mesut

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Hi MesutJust read you mail. We are very new on this bio-med journey for our kids so I will not be very competent to advise on the treatments.But I can only say that Never Ever Lose the hope. Our Kids need us to keep fighting for their healing. Its like a tug of war, whoever loses the hope loses the war. Always remember that they have chosen us to be their parents because they knew that we have the courage and capability to fight for them, when they come in to this world. So now when the war is on, we can betray them by losing the hope. We must fight and WIN this war.CheersAmitSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelSender: mb12valtrex Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:51:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: best treatment for autism We are now fighting this autism since 3 years.Along the way we tried- GFCF (6 months - no change)- Tomatis (no change)- Omega-3 (no change)- Zn+Mg+Ca (no change)- B6 (no change)- GSH (no change)- CoQ10 (no change)- Black seed Oil (no change)- Homeopathy (no change)- Neurofeedback (>150 sessions - no change)- GABA (from time to time - no change)- 5HTP (no change)- ABA/VB (no change)- Probiotics ( no change)- TrieEnza Digestive Enzyme (no change - got even hyper)- CLO + Vit A (no change)When I say no change, then it means we tried these things for at least 2-3 months but I could not see a difference/improvement hence we dropped them. Some of them we dropped earlier, some of them we dropped later.(ABA/VB is on-going since 1,5 years but to be honest, I hate this style of teaching/learning. It is too much conditional training. )What we didn't do- HBOT- Chelation (can't do since my son has G6PD which is contraindicating with sulpur drugs)- fight parasites- fight viruses- the other 1000 supplements that are on the marketI was so much of confidence that we can win this battle but my hopes are slowly fading away.Nowadays, I am reading myself into sensory integration issues.My son has a extreme poor mind of his bodymap. He has also visual issues (he is scared of height, cant go up/down the stairs without holding somewhere, fine and gross motor issues...).There is a visual deficiency called Vertical Heterophorie.It is not very known by Opticians hence most of the people are not aware of this at all.However, after surfing in the web I see close connection with my son.This is the next thing we'll try.Has anyone here maybe tried these special prism glasses ?Mesut> > > > > > > > > > > I have some people emailing me off list on what is the best course to take, but I like to share with everyone. I have actually wrote a book, and will one day publish it. I am not sure why I keep putting it off, since I finished writing it 3 years ago. But, anyhow, I want to share some tips because many did this for me.> > > > > > > > > > > > After 6 years of research, I would have to say that mercury is the main contributor. But. . . many report dumping mercury and other toxins when they treat for worms, viruses, bacteria, etc. so chelation is not the only way. Some people report that treating for pathogens rids more toxins than chelation. I am not voting, just repeating. If I had to do it all over again, with my same knowledge now, I would skip some treatments that were too much too soon. Recovery is quicker when you go slower. I would also focus more in homeopathy. Getting the immune system rebalanced is very difficult, and I had to learn to and still do, ignore the junk medical reports in the newspaper and the typical thinking that bacteria can be killed with a couple of weeks of antibiotics in unhealthy folks. Chronic conditions are a totally different thing. They need chronic (long-term) treatments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not acting alone. There are pathogens involved, pleomorphic without a doubt. Pleomorphic means the pathogen changes to overcome and adapt to it's environment. This is the only thing that can explain why our children respond for a few days or weeks or even months to a treatment, and then the symptoms return. Also, this explains why they fluctuate in and out of symptoms. I think the mercury's lead role is that it hampers our bodies, allowing these pleomorphic pathogens to take over. When we are healthy, they can not. They are not as strong as HIV, which is also pleomorphic. And keep in mind that HIV takes years to create symptoms, which is often seen in other pleomorphic pathogens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep in mind about opportunistic infections. These are germs we all have all the time, but our immune system fights them off unless we have immune stress or something weakening our immune system. Common ones seen are Strep., Clostridia Diff., yeast, protozoa of many different types, etc. The Pleomorphic pathogens are Lyme, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, XMRV, and more of course. Those of you who know about Herpes, you know that it comes and goes. They call it latent when you don't have the bumps or cold sores. Anyhow, there are many Herpes-types of viruses that don't cause any bumps at all, but are associated with chronic fatigue, mood swings, immune system issues, etc. Many people test positive for Lyme who don't have symptoms, which we would refer to as having a latent infection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, symptoms can only come from a few things: two main things are inflammation blocking blood flow and digestion issues. If you look at many of our kids, in reality they are kind of like drunk people. They slur their words, are clumsy, are smart, but can't keep their thoughts together to carry out everyday tasks (also notice many have green tinge to their skin around their nose and mouth which means low oxygen). So, it's complicated, but this is all due to lack of oxygen and nerves communicating. If you Google, you will find that those with autism always measure having abnormally low blood flow in the brain, which is reflected in those machines which show blue or red or yellow colored images indicating blood-flow. Thus, get the blood flowing to the brain. You can do this short-term by treating for inflammation, blood-thinners, blood vessel dilators, etc. Long-term will be to kill the pathogens causing the inflammation, which will> take a long time because since their immune systems are weak, they will need much more help than a smidgeon of anti-microbials. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing causing symptoms is this. The body needs many nutrients to work correctly. Due to damage, genetics, poor digestion, and microbial and toxin loads, the nutrients are not being absorbed into the cells, and mostly not into the brain cells. This could be from inflammation, pathogens consuming the nutrients, pathogens disrupting the nutrients, toxins taking the place of nutrient receptors, and uneven digestion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Neurotransmitters tell our brain how to work. Amino acids make our neurotransmitters. Digestion makes and absorbs our amino acids and nutrients. Thus, our digestion is a main dictator of our neurotransmitter balance. Uneven digestion means uneven neurotransmitters. Keep in mind that psych meds are meant to lower or increase certain neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters tell us our moods, and one only has to ponder on the female's menstruation's affect on moods to understand how we can be deeply effected. Thus, get the digestion as even as possible, which is currently being done by probiotics (only certain brands will noticeably work), digestive enzymes, and many supplements that aid in digestion and decrease the gastro lining's inflammation which of course is a main reason for the digestion problems. These are short-term; long-term is to rid the toxins and pathogens. Keep in mind that all the body systems are too over-whelmed to rid toxins,> which is why they are stock-piling in the first place. Thus, support for the liver will be needed, but is actually done by all kinds of gentle things. Also, keep in mind that the body can not rid the pathogens and toxins when it's not working correctly which is similar to why people can not overcome an infection even on antibiotics if their immune system is overly stressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > My trick was to help the body in lots of of ways to all add up. So, we went totally organic in food and products, removed carpeting, and avoid all smells (car exhaust, perfumes, candles, etc.). This lowers their toxin input. It's more difficult to rid toxins when they keep stock-piling them from food and their environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > The digestion is treated with several long-term, gentle things, from probiotics, to digestive enzymes, to gentle anti-inflammatories (fish oil, turmeric, and there are many). Then what you have to do is add the correct nutrients. They can not absorb nutrients correctly, so you need to buy certain vitamins and multivitamins. Your doc will have a company he likes. Most B vitamins seem to be needed in addition to the multivitamin choice, as well as Vitamin D. Some also like to give lots of Vitamin E. Each doc has their own views. Anyhow, then gentle, slow-acting antimicrobials seem to work best, since too much will overwhelm them, causing the release of more toxins then they can rid, so they will then be recirculated -- yikes! So, this is why people take nerve protectors and binders to absorb toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that all pathogen types need to be treated (worms, virus, protozoa, bacteria, etc.) Every health practitioner has their own ways, and one way is not really better than the other. You have got to get the fine tuning down. For example, if you stop giving your child wheat, but allow him to have soda pop, don't expect change. Plus, your child may be getting wheat and you don't know about it. I have caught teachers giving my children wheat even after I had docs notes for them not to. So, that is another issue. I had one babysitter who kept giving my child apple juice even after I told her he was allergic to apples. She denied it, but I tasted his sippy cup to be sure, and then she said, " It's only a little bit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's see what else. Most antimicrobials will bring worse symptoms before they rid symptoms. Most stop when they see a worsening, and say, " See, it didn't work. " But, this is why you always learn about everything you do, so you know what to expect from each thing. For example, sometimes fish oil kills bacteria, causing some to get tics. a person may panic and stop, not knowing the good it's doing. Or they may not know that the research on fish oil showed it took months to show a decrease in ADHD symptoms. So, one may give it a few weeks, see nothing and give up on it, not knowing it works slowly over time. So, the real issue in being successful is reading your butt off and asking your doc lots of questions so you know how to use what you selected, correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, there are those with genetic issues impeding progress, so I am not saying that all should get good results. But, I will say that most can get good results. As I have said many times, the real way to get success is to seek out those with success. There are many health practitioners now who are doing autism recovery. Just want to add that there are always exceptions in that everything needs to be done correctly, and that some will be allergic or not tolerable to a certain treatment. This is why it's always best to remind everyone to seek out a knowledgeable health care practitioner to get direct advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that finances are a big problem, but with searching and planning, most will be able to manage getting their goals met; it may just take a lot longer than if they were loaded with money, of course. If you want my take on HBOT or stem cells or other any kind of treatment, I think it still comes back to doing what the successful practitioners say to do. Some will always respond well and some will not, and a good practitioner will hopefully guide you with their knowledge. Anything with the ability to reduce inflammation, increase oxygen flow, and kill pathogens and rid toxins, can help if it can be done safely. Thus, not so much the treatment choice, but more the practitioner choice and doing the treatment correctly. My method was doing many small things together to get the body assisted to work correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > > > > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >>

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Just want to say that for us verbal scripting was methylation. Went away when we improved that piece. Highly suggest Yasko testing, immune system testing, and looking into bacteria, viruses, and parasites, as Caryn said. Ruth Sent from my iPhone

I hear you that 3 to 4 months should be enough time to see if something is working, but if your child has a major problem that you are not fixing, benefits from all other treatments may be missed.

Sounds like you have a major yeast problem as vocal stims are a problem. This can hide other gains. I would go broad spectrum anti pathogen treatment like tumeric or MMS. (Do not do these together as one is an oxidant and the other is an antioxidant.) If you see gains, consider trying other treatments again on top of this treatment. My son needed treatments for Lyme, strep, yeast, parasites and possibly viruses all at once together wtih diet. Looking at any one protocol at a time probably would not have lead me to sustainable gains.

If you try MMS, make sure to use the baby bottle dosing method as described on www.MMSAutism.com. You start with 1 drop a day added to an 8 ounce baby bottle and give 8 doses per day away from food. It is a low, frequent dose protocol.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have some people emailing me off list on what is the best course to take, but I like to share with everyone. I have actually wrote a book, and will one day publish it. I am not sure why I keep putting it off, since I finished writing it 3 years ago. But, anyhow, I want to share some tips because many did this for me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After 6 years of research, I would have to say that mercury is the main contributor. But. . . many report dumping mercury and other toxins when they treat for worms, viruses, bacteria, etc. so chelation is not the only way. Some people report that treating for pathogens rids more toxins than chelation. I am not voting, just repeating. If I had to do it all over again, with my same knowledge now, I would skip some treatments that were too much too soon. Recovery is quicker when you go slower. I would also focus more in homeopathy. Getting the immune system rebalanced is very difficult, and I had to learn to and still do, ignore the junk medical reports in the newspaper and the typical thinking that bacteria can be killed with a couple of weeks of antibiotics in unhealthy folks. Chronic conditions are a totally different thing. They need chronic (long-term) treatments.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mercury is not acting alone. There are pathogens involved, pleomorphic without a doubt. Pleomorphic means the pathogen changes to overcome and adapt to it's environment. This is the only thing that can explain why our children respond for a few days or weeks or even months to a treatment, and then the symptoms return. Also, this explains why they fluctuate in and out of symptoms. I think the mercury's lead role is that it hampers our bodies, allowing these pleomorphic pathogens to take over. When we are healthy, they can not. They are not as strong as HIV, which is also pleomorphic. And keep in mind that HIV takes years to create symptoms, which is often seen in other pleomorphic pathogens.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also, keep in mind about opportunistic infections. These are germs we all have all the time, but our immune system fights them off unless we have immune stress or something weakening our immune system. Common ones seen are Strep., Clostridia Diff., yeast, protozoa of many different types, etc. The Pleomorphic pathogens are Lyme, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, XMRV, and more of course. Those of you who know about Herpes, you know that it comes and goes. They call it latent when you don't have the bumps or cold sores. Anyhow, there are many Herpes-types of viruses that don't cause any bumps at all, but are associated with chronic fatigue, mood swings, immune system issues, etc. Many people test positive for Lyme who don't have symptoms, which we would refer to as having a latent infection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having said that, symptoms can only come from a few things: two main things are inflammation blocking blood flow and digestion issues. If you look at many of our kids, in reality they are kind of like drunk people. They slur their words, are clumsy, are smart, but can't keep their thoughts together to carry out everyday tasks (also notice many have green tinge to their skin around their nose and mouth which means low oxygen). So, it's complicated, but this is all due to lack of oxygen and nerves communicating. If you Google, you will find that those with autism always measure having abnormally low blood flow in the brain, which is reflected in those machines which show blue or red or yellow colored images indicating blood-flow. Thus, get the blood flowing to the brain. You can do this short-term by treating for inflammation, blood-thinners, blood vessel dilators, etc. Long-term will be to kill the pathogens causing the inflammation, which will

> > > > take a long time because since their immune systems are weak, they will need much more help than a smidgeon of anti-microbials.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The other thing causing symptoms is this. The body needs many nutrients to work correctly. Due to damage, genetics, poor digestion, and microbial and toxin loads, the nutrients are not being absorbed into the cells, and mostly not into the brain cells. This could be from inflammation, pathogens consuming the nutrients, pathogens disrupting the nutrients, toxins taking the place of nutrient receptors, and uneven digestion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Neurotransmitters tell our brain how to work. Amino acids make our neurotransmitters. Digestion makes and absorbs our amino acids and nutrients. Thus, our digestion is a main dictator of our neurotransmitter balance. Uneven digestion means uneven neurotransmitters. Keep in mind that psych meds are meant to lower or increase certain neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters tell us our moods, and one only has to ponder on the female's menstruation's affect on moods to understand how we can be deeply effected. Thus, get the digestion as even as possible, which is currently being done by probiotics (only certain brands will noticeably work), digestive enzymes, and many supplements that aid in digestion and decrease the gastro lining's inflammation which of course is a main reason for the digestion problems. These are short-term; long-term is to rid the toxins and pathogens. Keep in mind that all the body systems are too over-whelmed to rid toxins,

> > > > which is why they are stock-piling in the first place. Thus, support for the liver will be needed, but is actually done by all kinds of gentle things. Also, keep in mind that the body can not rid the pathogens and toxins when it's not working correctly which is similar to why people can not overcome an infection even on antibiotics if their immune system is overly stressed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My trick was to help the body in lots of of ways to all add up. So, we went totally organic in food and products, removed carpeting, and avoid all smells (car exhaust, perfumes, candles, etc.). This lowers their toxin input. It's more difficult to rid toxins when they keep stock-piling them from food and their environment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The digestion is treated with several long-term, gentle things, from probiotics, to digestive enzymes, to gentle anti-inflammatories (fish oil, turmeric, and there are many). Then what you have to do is add the correct nutrients. They can not absorb nutrients correctly, so you need to buy certain vitamins and multivitamins. Your doc will have a company he likes. Most B vitamins seem to be needed in addition to the multivitamin choice, as well as Vitamin D. Some also like to give lots of Vitamin E. Each doc has their own views. Anyhow, then gentle, slow-acting antimicrobials seem to work best, since too much will overwhelm them, causing the release of more toxins then they can rid, so they will then be recirculated -- yikes! So, this is why people take nerve protectors and binders to absorb toxins.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears that all pathogen types need to be treated (worms, virus, protozoa, bacteria, etc.) Every health practitioner has their own ways, and one way is not really better than the other. You have got to get the fine tuning down. For example, if you stop giving your child wheat, but allow him to have soda pop, don't expect change. Plus, your child may be getting wheat and you don't know about it. I have caught teachers giving my children wheat even after I had docs notes for them not to. So, that is another issue. I had one babysitter who kept giving my child apple juice even after I told her he was allergic to apples. She denied it, but I tasted his sippy cup to be sure, and then she said, "It's only a little bit."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ok, let's see what else. Most antimicrobials will bring worse symptoms before they rid symptoms. Most stop when they see a worsening, and say, "See, it didn't work." But, this is why you always learn about everything you do, so you know what to expect from each thing. For example, sometimes fish oil kills bacteria, causing some to get tics. a person may panic and stop, not knowing the good it's doing. Or they may not know that the research on fish oil showed it took months to show a decrease in ADHD symptoms. So, one may give it a few weeks, see nothing and give up on it, not knowing it works slowly over time. So, the real issue in being successful is reading your butt off and asking your doc lots of questions so you know how to use what you selected, correctly.

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> > > > > > > > > Now, there are those with genetic issues impeding progress, so I am not saying that all should get good results. But, I will say that most can get good results. As I have said many times, the real way to get success is to seek out those with success. There are many health practitioners now who are doing autism recovery. Just want to add that there are always exceptions in that everything needs to be done correctly, and that some will be allergic or not tolerable to a certain treatment. This is why it's always best to remind everyone to seek out a knowledgeable health care practitioner to get direct advice.

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> > > > > > > > > I know that finances are a big problem, but with searching and planning, most will be able to manage getting their goals met; it may just take a lot longer than if they were loaded with money, of course. If you want my take on HBOT or stem cells or other any kind of treatment, I think it still comes back to doing what the successful practitioners say to do. Some will always respond well and some will not, and a good practitioner will hopefully guide you with their knowledge. Anything with the ability to reduce inflammation, increase oxygen flow, and kill pathogens and rid toxins, can help if it can be done safely. Thus, not so much the treatment choice, but more the practitioner choice and doing the treatment correctly. My method was doing many small things together to get the body assisted to work correctly.

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You are very welcome, Ruth!To: mb12valtrex From: dan-ruth-setlak@...Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:40:45 -0400Subject: Re: Re: best treatment for autism

Awesome! Thx so much. Sent from my iPhone

Hi Ruth,For information on the Son-Rise Program, you should contact: : Phone: orLori Pete: Phone: I recommend trying first. He is a dad (of a recovered child) and he is really nice and friendly!Lori is great too, but is extra sweet!Good luck!XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: dan-ruth-setlak@...Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:10:23 -0400Subject: Re: Re: best treatment for autism

Xexa -I am interested in learning Son-rise methods. I'm a clinical social worker. I can't seem to get a response to my emails from their website. Would you know who I would contact?RuthSent from my iPhone

Hi Mesut,

You should try the Son-Rise Program!

http://www.autismtreatmentcenter.org/

In my opinion, and thousands of parents all over the World agree with me, it's the BEST therapy!!!

I also hate ABA, my daughter did it for only 6 months, and thankfully after that short time I found the Son-Rise Program! She has being doing it for 2 years full-time now, and she is very connected, she loves playing with people, SHE really looks into your eyes, started talking (a little) at age 5, she improves and improves every month... and MOST IMPORTANTLY, she is a VERY HAPPY child!!!

She also takes 17 supplements, she's been almost 3 years on the GFCFSF diet, I just started the anti-virus/anti-fungus tratement 2 weeks ago, she did Tomatis, homeopathy, chelation, she dos water-therapy, hourse-therapy...

So I think it's really a combination of all these, that helped her to get better.

But for her main therapy (she does it 6 to 7 hours per day), which is MUCH more respectfull, loving, human, than any kind of ABA, Son-Rise is definitely the answer!

I have a friend whose 12 yo son just started talking after a couple of months doing Son-Rise... I know personally at least 5 recovered children with this method.

Now I am giving the anti-virus a shot, really hoping it will also help my girl, just like I believed everything we tried would help! Some of them did actually help (diet, maybe some suplements, definitely Son-Rise) other things did not do anything for her (chelation, tomatis, homeopathy...) But as long as it's not too invasive and there are no nasty side-effects, I will keep trying everything that I can!

Keep believing in your son! His potential has no limits!!! Everything is possible!!!

Love is the answer!!!

Good luck!

Xexa

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> > > > > > I have some people emailing me off list on what is the best course to take, but I like to share with everyone. I have actually wrote a book, and will one day publish it. I am not sure why I keep putting it off, since I finished writing it 3 years ago. But, anyhow, I want to share some tips because many did this for me.

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> > > > > > After 6 years of research, I would have to say that mercury is the main contributor. But. . . many report dumping mercury and other toxins when they treat for worms, viruses, bacteria, etc. so chelation is not the only way. Some people report that treating for pathogens rids more toxins than chelation. I am not voting, just repeating. If I had to do it all over again, with my same knowledge now, I would skip some treatments that were too much too soon. Recovery is quicker when you go slower. I would also focus more in homeopathy. Getting the immune system rebalanced is very difficult, and I had to learn to and still do, ignore the junk medical reports in the newspaper and the typical thinking that bacteria can be killed with a couple of weeks of antibiotics in unhealthy folks. Chronic conditions are a totally different thing. They need chronic (long-term) treatments.

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> > > > > > Mercury is not acting alone. There are pathogens involved, pleomorphic without a doubt. Pleomorphic means the pathogen changes to overcome and adapt to it's environment. This is the only thing that can explain why our children respond for a few days or weeks or even months to a treatment, and then the symptoms return. Also, this explains why they fluctuate in and out of symptoms. I think the mercury's lead role is that it hampers our bodies, allowing these pleomorphic pathogens to take over. When we are healthy, they can not. They are not as strong as HIV, which is also pleomorphic. And keep in mind that HIV takes years to create symptoms, which is often seen in other pleomorphic pathogens.

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> > > > > > Also, keep in mind about opportunistic infections. These are germs we all have all the time, but our immune system fights them off unless we have immune stress or something weakening our immune system. Common ones seen are Strep., Clostridia Diff., yeast, protozoa of many different types, etc. The Pleomorphic pathogens are Lyme, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, XMRV, and more of course. Those of you who know about Herpes, you know that it comes and goes. They call it latent when you don't have the bumps or cold sores. Anyhow, there are many Herpes-types of viruses that don't cause any bumps at all, but are associated with chronic fatigue, mood swings, immune system issues, etc. Many people test positive for Lyme who don't have symptoms, which we would refer to as having a latent infection.

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> > > > > > Having said that, symptoms can only come from a few things: two main things are inflammation blocking blood flow and digestion issues. If you look at many of our kids, in reality they are kind of like drunk people. They slur their words, are clumsy, are smart, but can't keep their thoughts together to carry out everyday tasks (also notice many have green tinge to their skin around their nose and mouth which means low oxygen). So, it's complicated, but this is all due to lack of oxygen and nerves communicating. If you Google, you will find that those with autism always measure having abnormally low blood flow in the brain, which is reflected in those machines which show blue or red or yellow colored images indicating blood-flow. Thus, get the blood flowing to the brain. You can do this short-term by treating for inflammation, blood-thinners, blood vessel dilators, etc. Long-term will be to kill the pathogens causing the inflammation, which will take a long time because since their immune systems are weak, they will need much more help than a smidgeon of anti-microbials.

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> > > > > > The other thing causing symptoms is this. The body needs many nutrients to work correctly. Due to damage, genetics, poor digestion, and microbial and toxin loads, the nutrients are not being absorbed into the cells, and mostly not into the brain cells. This could be from inflammation, pathogens consuming the nutrients, pathogens disrupting the nutrients, toxins taking the place of nutrient receptors, and uneven digestion.

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> > > > > > Neurotransmitters tell our brain how to work. Amino acids make our neurotransmitters. Digestion makes and absorbs our amino acids and nutrients. Thus, our digestion is a main dictator of our neurotransmitter balance. Uneven digestion means uneven neurotransmitters. Keep in mind that psych meds are meant to lower or increase certain neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters tell us our moods, and one only has to ponder on the female's menstruation's affect on moods to understand how we can be deeply effected. Thus, get the digestion as even as possible, which is currently being done by probiotics (only certain brands will noticeably work), digestive enzymes, and many supplements that aid in digestion and decrease the gastro lining's inflammation which of course is a main reason for the digestion problems. These are short-term; long-term is to rid the toxins and pathogens. Keep in mind that all the body systems are too over-whelmed to rid toxins, which is why they are stock-piling in the first place. Thus, support for the liver will be needed, but is actually done by all kinds of gentle things. Also, keep in mind that the body can not rid the pathogens and toxins when it's not working correctly which is similar to why people can not overcome an infection even on antibiotics if their immune system is overly stressed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My trick was to help the body in lots of of ways to all add up. So, we went totally organic in food and products, removed carpeting, and avoid all smells (car exhaust, perfumes, candles, etc.). This lowers their toxin input. It's more difficult to rid toxins when they keep stock-piling them from food and their environment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The digestion is treated with several long-term, gentle things, from probiotics, to digestive enzymes, to gentle anti-inflammatories (fish oil, turmeric, and there are many). Then what you have to do is add the correct nutrients. They can not absorb nutrients correctly, so you need to buy certain vitamins and multivitamins. Your doc will have a company he likes. Most B vitamins seem to be needed in addition to the multivitamin choice, as well as Vitamin D. Some also like to give lots of Vitamin E. Each doc has their own views. Anyhow, then gentle, slow-acting antimicrobials seem to work best, since too much will overwhelm them, causing the release of more toxins then they can rid, so they will then be recirculated -- yikes! So, this is why people take nerve protectors and binders to absorb toxins.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It appears that all pathogen types need to be treated (worms, virus, protozoa, bacteria, etc.) Every health practitioner has their own ways, and one way is not really better than the other. You have got to get the fine tuning down. For example, if you stop giving your child wheat, but allow him to have soda pop, don't expect change. Plus, your child may be getting wheat and you don't know about it. I have caught teachers giving my children wheat even after I had docs notes for them not to. So, that is another issue. I had one babysitter who kept giving my child apple juice even after I told her he was allergic to apples. She denied it, but I tasted his sippy cup to be sure, and then she said, "It's only a little bit."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ok, let's see what else. Most antimicrobials will bring worse symptoms before they rid symptoms. Most stop when they see a worsening, and say, "See, it didn't work." But, this is why you always learn about everything you do, so you know what to expect from each thing. For example, sometimes fish oil kills bacteria, causing some to get tics. a person may panic and stop, not knowing the good it's doing. Or they may not know that the research on fish oil showed it took months to show a decrease in ADHD symptoms. So, one may give it a few weeks, see nothing and give up on it, not knowing it works slowly over time. So, the real issue in being successful is reading your butt off and asking your doc lots of questions so you know how to use what you selected, correctly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, there are those with genetic issues impeding progress, so I am not saying that all should get good results. But, I will say that most can get good results. As I have said many times, the real way to get success is to seek out those with success. There are many health practitioners now who are doing autism recovery. Just want to add that there are always exceptions in that everything needs to be done correctly, and that some will be allergic or not tolerable to a certain treatment. This is why it's always best to remind everyone to seek out a knowledgeable health care practitioner to get direct advice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that finances are a big problem, but with searching and planning, most will be able to manage getting their goals met; it may just take a lot longer than if they were loaded with money, of course. If you want my take on HBOT or stem cells or other any kind of treatment, I think it still comes back to doing what the successful practitioners say to do. Some will always respond well and some will not, and a good practitioner will hopefully guide you with their knowledge. Anything with the ability to reduce inflammation, increase oxygen flow, and kill pathogens and rid toxins, can help if it can be done safely. Thus, not so much the treatment choice, but more the practitioner choice and doing the treatment correctly. My method was doing many small things together to get the body assisted to work correctly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and prayers,

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> > > > > > Heidi N

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